[Patch 1.0.0.150: Shadow Isles] General Discussion - Page 78

On October 28 2012 05:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Wingsofdeathx is a smart guy (provided by his UCI education) and what he talks about are usually pretty good. Aprho just yells a lot.

On October 28 2012 06:15 xes wrote:

The better team generally will still win the game even after getting stomped in lane just because they have no moments of uncertainty.

A couple of TSM invitationals ago, Skarnold's team had a huge lead after laning but just didn't have to coordination to exploit that lead and got caught in a bad teamfight which TSM then turned around.

You can see it from the World Championships too (also whenever CLG.EU plays... <_<)

Edit:

Unrelated question. Spirit Visage for Hecarim? Hecarim does tons of damage with just CDR, is the healing from W worth a slot to be more tanky? Couple of games been figuring out what my midgame MR item should be, thinking of Aegis, Hexdrinker, and SV

On October 28 2012 06:25 HazMat wrote:

He complains about "getting camped" in every game where he gets ganked and loses lane. It's so fucking frustrating playing with players like that. There are two things thay annoy me in this game: People that complain about being camped after 2 or 3 ganks (on either team) and people that act like gp10 make up for their lack of cs/feeding their lane. The worst is when they're like "Well I got camped but that's good because now my team wins elsewhere." That makes sense on paper but that's not how the game works. Wings is the worst offender of this.

On October 28 2012 06:25 HazMat wrote:

He complains about "getting camped" in every game where he gets ganked and loses lane. It's so fucking frustrating playing with players like that. There are two things thay annoy me in this game: People that complain about being camped after 2 or 3 ganks (on either team) and people that act like gp10 make up for their lack of cs/feeding their lane. The worst is when they're like "Well I got camped but that's good because now my team wins elsewhere." That makes sense on paper but that's not how the game works. Wings is the worst offender of this.

On October 28 2012 06:25 Scip wrote:
Guys, guys, cmon. There is like 1 jungler you could argue that desperately needs blue buff and that's Olaf. And I am pretty sure that NintenDudeX or whatever his name is does give it up quite often to midlane and is just fine. Skarner can(could?) do just fine without blue buff. Cho'Gath doesn't need blue buff for obvious reasons. Amumu isn't even mana intensive at all! Maokai is fine without blue buff too, since he probably spends a lot of time camping rather than killing small golems. Nunu has his passive so he doesn't need blue buff at all. The niche junglers like Kayle/Jarvan/Xin Zhao don't need blue buff either.

What junglers could possibly need blue buff.

On October 28 2012 06:25 Scip wrote:
Guys, guys, cmon. There is like 1 jungler you could argue that desperately needs blue buff and that's Olaf. And I am pretty sure that NintenDudeX or whatever his name is does give it up quite often to midlane and is just fine. Skarner can(could?) do just fine without blue buff. Cho'Gath doesn't need blue buff for obvious reasons. Amumu isn't even mana intensive at all! Maokai is fine without blue buff too, since he probably spends a lot of time camping rather than killing small golems. Nunu has his passive so he doesn't need blue buff at all. The niche junglers like Kayle/Jarvan/Xin Zhao don't need blue buff either.

What junglers could possibly need blue buff.

On October 28 2012 06:25 Scip wrote:
Guys, guys, cmon. There is like 1 jungler you could argue that desperately needs blue buff and that's Olaf. And I am pretty sure that NintenDudeX or whatever his name is does give it up quite often to midlane and is just fine. Skarner can(could?) do just fine without blue buff. Cho'Gath doesn't need blue buff for obvious reasons. Amumu isn't even mana intensive at all! Maokai is fine without blue buff too, since he probably spends a lot of time camping rather than killing small golems. Nunu has his passive so he doesn't need blue buff at all. The niche junglers like Kayle/Jarvan/Xin Zhao don't need blue buff either.

What junglers could possibly need blue buff.

On October 28 2012 06:29 Capped wrote:


No im sorry your wrong, the worst thing is the players who throw the game so hard (talking things like 1-8 or something across the team) and then refuse to surrender.

On October 28 2012 04:08 TheYango wrote:

I don't think there's anything about one role being best for making calls. Being a captain on the team requires a certain mindset and attitude (coupled with of course sound decision making) that are suitable for leading the team. None of those require that the player play support (though it's more likely to find players with that selfless attitude on the support role simply by nature of the role--that doesn't exclude players with the correct attitude from playing other roles).

Saint has the experience and knowledge to be a good captain, but he doesn't have the mindset. He's too quick to blame people, and oftentimes his decision-making is somewhat selfish--he doesn't trust his teammates enough (something no doubt borne out of solo queue).

Consider when he was on CLG and he would complain that Jiji was not active enough from mid and would not gank enough. We now know in retrospect that a fairly passive, conservative teamfight-oriented mid player is a totally sustainable playstyle provided the team is able to make the right picks to support such a style. The key is also having an active jungler who is able to create an expanded presence when you have a more passive mid--which, well, doesn't describe Saint given that Saint himself is a fairly farmy jungler. The thing is, it was just as much Saint's problem as Jiji's--it was a TEAM problem. Saint didn't approach the issue rationally and with a team mindset, and was too quick to pass off the issue's as just Jiji's.

On October 28 2012 06:19 TheYango wrote:
CLG.Eu deliberately picks around being able to stall and turn around a lategame scenario because that's their playstyle (sometimes to the point of deliberately picking things that are awkward during early game like picking junglers and APs with hugely conflicting needs for blue buff). That's not necessarily the same thing.

On October 28 2012 06:30 xes wrote:

1300 elo ranked, I was jungling and my top laner got camped super hard (like enemy jungler would only go to bottom side jungle for his blue buff), but played safe and didn't die.

We just did 4 man dives bot and then got dragons and won the game off of mid/bot snowball.

On October 28 2012 06:36 TheYango wrote:
Also, I consider "camping" in any form to represent misplay and lack of foresight on the part of the jungler. Watch Lilballz' play at Worlds. He virtually never camps, and is pretty much always moving around. He knows where he needs to be, and when he needs to be there, and he doesn't waste time waiting for something to happen in one place. Camping means you don't have a good sense of when your opportunities are going to arise so you have to wait there for them to happen.

It wasn't just Ballz either. By and large, the junglers that were most deliberate and active (CloudTemplar, DiamondProx) were the ones that were the most effective, and the ones that were campy were the most ineffective (Illusion, Hotshot, Araneae).

On October 28 2012 06:43 Scip wrote:
No, dude, Amumu absolutely doesn't need blue buff nor can he use it well at all. I mean I see the point of it on Skarner, you farm faster yippie ki yay, you do a lot more deeps etc, but really, I already made a post about this, the only thing blue buff is good on Amumu is getting to level 6 1-2 camps faster and having your second ultimate off cooldown sooner. The blue buff doesn't really speed up your jungle, it doesn't increase your fighting strenght significantly and you don't run out of mana on Amumu more often than you want to back to base anyway.

On October 28 2012 06:47 HazMat wrote:
Nowadays when someone says they're getting camped they just mean that they have gotten ganked more than once. Not that the jungle stood in a brush for 30 seconds waiting for something to arise. At least on NA.