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On November 09 2012 10:52 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 10:06 Simberto wrote:On November 09 2012 09:59 GreenManalishi wrote:On November 09 2012 09:55 koreasilver wrote:
Not entirely sure why Nyjacky has always done these ROA or Grail first builds on Zyra either. Zyra really doesn't have heavy mana issues and she has tons of range and peel. Yeah, surprised Zyra players aren't abusing the great innate scaling on her plants by using mPen builds like Kat and Eve players. Sorc boots + Haunting Guise + Abyssal into Hourglass or Deathcap would be pretty strong as long as your team can protect your blue buff. With the 20% CDR from W, I don't understand why Zyra would want to build Athene's, seems like CDR overkill. Athenes is at the moment the only AP CdR item. So if you want CDR cap, even as zyra, its either athenes or cdr boots. Unless you get bluebuff, of course, in which case you don't need either. So maybe he thought he would not get a lot of blues, and built one instead? If you get CDR for free in your kit, the way to maximize your efficiency is not to spend more gold into CDR. You're ignoring the main issue anyway: Zyra isn't a champion that is so mana hungry or one that has to get some defensive stats early. If you're not both, or at least one of them, then building ROA or Grail as your first item isn't really that great. You're a burst mage without great mana issues.
This is wrong. CDR is a self-synergistic stat. Going from 20%->40% CDR is worth more than going from 0%->20% CDR.
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Was the Crs vs CLG.na game a bo1? I can only find results for one game.
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On November 09 2012 11:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 10:52 koreasilver wrote:On November 09 2012 10:06 Simberto wrote:On November 09 2012 09:59 GreenManalishi wrote:On November 09 2012 09:55 koreasilver wrote:
Not entirely sure why Nyjacky has always done these ROA or Grail first builds on Zyra either. Zyra really doesn't have heavy mana issues and she has tons of range and peel. Yeah, surprised Zyra players aren't abusing the great innate scaling on her plants by using mPen builds like Kat and Eve players. Sorc boots + Haunting Guise + Abyssal into Hourglass or Deathcap would be pretty strong as long as your team can protect your blue buff. With the 20% CDR from W, I don't understand why Zyra would want to build Athene's, seems like CDR overkill. Athenes is at the moment the only AP CdR item. So if you want CDR cap, even as zyra, its either athenes or cdr boots. Unless you get bluebuff, of course, in which case you don't need either. So maybe he thought he would not get a lot of blues, and built one instead? If you get CDR for free in your kit, the way to maximize your efficiency is not to spend more gold into CDR. You're ignoring the main issue anyway: Zyra isn't a champion that is so mana hungry or one that has to get some defensive stats early. If you're not both, or at least one of them, then building ROA or Grail as your first item isn't really that great. You're a burst mage without great mana issues. This is wrong. CDR is a self-synergistic stat. Going from 20%->40% CDR is worth more than going from 0%->20% CDR.
I feel that they should "linearize" CDR bonus and make it harder to reach the cap.
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I dunno how there are always 3-5 people in a row who are AFK for a ranked queue
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I miss being able to play Nasus.. I even bought two skins for him before I fully found out that he'll never be competitive and really isn't that great against actual experienced tops (Unless you know, you get a good match up and you're really good at the game both of which don't apply to me).
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On November 09 2012 11:36 Vanka wrote:
Why don't you just pick up one of the numerous champs that beat yorick? Udyr (tiger udyr wins, phoenix udyr crushes yorick silly), stanley's nid build from the s2 match vs m5, trynd...
I don't have Nidalee or Trynd (and I don't think Trynd blends too well). Also, they're my most picked tops, so sometimes it's the Yorick that picks after me and I can't "counter" it.
Never thought about Udyr, isn't he destroyed by the fact that Yorick's W slows, and his mana consumption if he's forced to switch stances often? I mean once Yorick has tear his E isn't that costly.
Thanks for the dshield suggestion, maybe I'm too focused on early MR and hp5 is another way to go with it.
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lol, bischu playing diana and missing probably more than 50% CS mid
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On November 09 2012 12:08 sob3k wrote:
lol, bischu playing diana and missing probably more than 50% CS mid
Welp. He builds Dorans on Diana.
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On November 09 2012 12:04 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 11:36 Vanka wrote:
Why don't you just pick up one of the numerous champs that beat yorick? Udyr (tiger udyr wins, phoenix udyr crushes yorick silly), stanley's nid build from the s2 match vs m5, trynd... I don't have Nidalee or Trynd (and I don't think Trynd blends too well). Also, they're my most picked tops, so sometimes it's the Yorick that picks after me and I can't "counter" it. Never thought about Udyr, isn't he destroyed by the fact that Yorick's W slows, and his mana consumption if he's forced to switch stances often? I mean once Yorick has tear his E isn't that costly. Thanks for the dshield suggestion, maybe I'm too focused on early MR and hp5 is another way to go with it.
turtle max udyr is infinite sustain, even more so if you build wriggles--at that point literally nothing yorick does will hurt you.
What about just asking for an early gank? Yorick doesn't have escapes, and if the yoricks lack top lane experience as much as you, it shouldn't be that hard to bait them out far into the lane for the kill.
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Who and Bischu and why do people keep telling me he's in my games?
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On November 09 2012 11:29 xes wrote:
I haven't play a lot of Jax vs Yorick, but it's mostly about surviving until lvl 6. AS/AD reds, MS/AD/HP5/AR quints. Boots 3 -> Dorans Shield (2x if he is really pressuring you but 1 is usually enough). CS at tower and be sad.
At lvl 6, if he went for Tear, you can just Q him whenever your ult proc is ready and he will get chunked hard. You will pretty much never win a full 1v1 duel because damage reduction passive is OP, but you can force him to blow a ton of mana on ghouls which will push the wave.
If he didn't go Tear, then you have to just bait out ghouls, hit him with W if he comes into range to cs (since he can't rely solely on spells to CS) and slowly lower his mana, forcing him to base.
I'm not the best Jax player though, and I probably didn't play against the best Yorick either so I could be totally deluded :S
If he went tear, you should be able to kill him so hard that he can't even sustain enough. Jump onto him, if he uses his 3 skills and has 3 ghuls out use counterstrike, and continue to punch his face in while he now has no ghuls out, cd on all skills and at least 5 seconds until his slow is ready again, which should cost him most of his life. After this, he can't even get close to sustain of minions because you just jump onto him and do the same thing again. And you should be able to jump onto him aggressively whenever he ghuls you. Just don't let him harass you, then heal up, and harass you again with the loads of mana he got from tear, turn it into a real fight each time.
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On November 09 2012 12:12 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 12:08 sob3k wrote:
lol, bischu playing diana and missing probably more than 50% CS mid Welp. He builds Dorans on Diana.
..? I can't think of a single person who doesn't build at least one dorans ring on diana...
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On November 09 2012 12:12 Vanka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 12:04 Alaric wrote:On November 09 2012 11:36 Vanka wrote:
Why don't you just pick up one of the numerous champs that beat yorick? Udyr (tiger udyr wins, phoenix udyr crushes yorick silly), stanley's nid build from the s2 match vs m5, trynd... I don't have Nidalee or Trynd (and I don't think Trynd blends too well). Also, they're my most picked tops, so sometimes it's the Yorick that picks after me and I can't "counter" it. Never thought about Udyr, isn't he destroyed by the fact that Yorick's W slows, and his mana consumption if he's forced to switch stances often? I mean once Yorick has tear his E isn't that costly. Thanks for the dshield suggestion, maybe I'm too focused on early MR and hp5 is another way to go with it. turtle max udyr is infinite sustain, even more so if you build wriggles--at that point literally nothing yorick does will hurt you. What about just asking for an early gank? Yorick doesn't have escapes, and if the yoricks lack top lane experience as much as you, it shouldn't be that hard to bait them out far into the lane for the kill.
Never play Phoenix udyr top, with the amount of farm you should be getting using the retarded AD scaling off tiger is a much better use imo. Once you get 2-3 points in turtle you can easily shrug off Yoricks harass, and once you get wriggles you can literally do anything you want to.
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He based with 850g boots 1 1 dring 2 pots and 2 wards and he bought a dring instead of sorcs. I cant see that ever being right.
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France45622 Posts
On November 09 2012 12:21 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2012 11:29 xes wrote:
I haven't play a lot of Jax vs Yorick, but it's mostly about surviving until lvl 6. AS/AD reds, MS/AD/HP5/AR quints. Boots 3 -> Dorans Shield (2x if he is really pressuring you but 1 is usually enough). CS at tower and be sad.
At lvl 6, if he went for Tear, you can just Q him whenever your ult proc is ready and he will get chunked hard. You will pretty much never win a full 1v1 duel because damage reduction passive is OP, but you can force him to blow a ton of mana on ghouls which will push the wave.
If he didn't go Tear, then you have to just bait out ghouls, hit him with W if he comes into range to cs (since he can't rely solely on spells to CS) and slowly lower his mana, forcing him to base.
I'm not the best Jax player though, and I probably didn't play against the best Yorick either so I could be totally deluded :S If he went tear, you should be able to kill him so hard that he can't even sustain enough. Jump onto him, if he uses his 3 skills and has 3 ghuls out use counterstrike, and continue to punch his face in while he now has no ghuls out, cd on all skills and at least 5 seconds until his slow is ready again, which should cost him most of his life. After this, he can't even get close to sustain of minions because you just jump onto him and do the same thing again. And you should be able to jump onto him aggressively whenever he ghuls you. Just don't let him harass you, then heal up, and harass you again with the loads of mana he got from tear, turn it into a real fight each time.
It went kind of like that even when I was behind, but it cost me a great chunk of my mana pool and it pushed the lane quite hard, as Yorick ran away as fast as he could when he saw he was losing the trade,
Generally I win this hard, but spend a lot more mana than Yorick to do so, and tend to push the lane. So he tries to freeze it near his tower and it's the situation where I can't dive him even if he's low, and I can have sustained trades as he'll run to tower and I can only trade in bursts, which cost a lot more mana per damage since I have less ult procs. I also take a lot of damage so I have to use several pots while he can shrug it off with E that basically has no cost at that point.
It's probably because I miss opportunities earlier on, so he's more ahead than he should when we have those fights, hence why I can't start zoning him after them. It's those opportunities/errors that I'm trying to identify.
Maybe I should just run to him, instead of Qing, so he'll cast W and/or E while I'm not yet on top of him, and if I Q after that then the ghouls won't be in range yet to damage me.
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On November 09 2012 11:50 HazMat wrote:
Was the Crs vs CLG.na game a bo1? I can only find results for one game.
yes it was bo1. there is another qualifier tomorrow. top 4 from each of these go to the final qualifier which is next week and top 2 from that go to cologne. thats how i udnerstand it anyway could be wrong
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crs such an emotional team, barking at each others throat when they lose, but when they win.. boy they're happy
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man first time i tried anivia i missed every Q didnt use wall at all i failed so hard i quit her after 1 game, now when i level new account im forced to use free week champions and i started playing anivia again im starting to get better god shes so fun and strong, crazy kitting potential
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@Alaric:
Hopefully you know this already, but if you walk into a bush Yoricks ghoul drop target. By popping into the bush and popping back out when he drops his sustain ghoul on you, you can limit his sustain to a degree.
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I wonder if it would be useful at all to put a ward in a bush, and jump to it as Jax every time he ghouls you, so the ghouls instantly drop target and don't get to attack you at all?
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On November 09 2012 12:50 SagaZ wrote:
crs such an emotional team, barking at each others throat when they lose, but when they win.. boy they're happy
but when they win it is cursemas!
Crs is a strong team, but they lack the will to get better. there is no middle ground between losses and wins for them, and they are (and by they I mean 1 player) not letting the team grow instead sticking to dead ideals and a lack of practice
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