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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 01 2012 18:38 GMT
#3321
On November 02 2012 03:25 Numy wrote:
Feels like they should just stop releasing so many new heroes and rather rework some of the older ones then release new ones that they have really put in a lot to make new and fresh. I guess it's not their business model so they'd rather force new ideas than let them just come naturally.


They've talked about this, the team that works on new champions and the team that works on rebalancing old champions are two different groups of people. One of them works faster, unfortunately.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
November 01 2012 18:41 GMT
#3322
On November 02 2012 03:21 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:19 Ketara wrote:
On November 02 2012 02:47 OreoBoi wrote:
On November 02 2012 02:30 AwayFromLife wrote:
Looks like Zed is a damage oriented bruiser:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12f8la/zed_the_master_of_shadows_champion_sneak/c6ulwn9

Riot itzmattu compares him to Lee, Riven, Jayce, Rengar, and Irelia, saying he's strong jungle and possibly top. Lacks defensive options but makes up for it with mobility.

I can dig it.


So another damage jungler that will probably end up overpowered top on release because they'll increase his base stats because junglers don't get as much gold.
Also, I know it's not a good business plan, but seriously you could just rework talon into this and release a skin.


Yeah I am not excited at all about Zed, this information basically verifies why I am not excited. Feels like every other champion they've made recently save Syndra.

Im with the people in the thread, id like to see another ADC truthfully.


What's needed is like 3 or 4 supports. The last real support they released was Lulu, and that's quite a while ago...
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 18:42:16
November 01 2012 18:41 GMT
#3323
On November 02 2012 03:32 Leonite7 wrote:
So far the M5 vs SK match has been thrilling and exhilarating, cannot wait to see how it ends.

What happened? I went away for a few minutes and it's offline.

Edit: Guess SK forfeit, it shows as 1-0 on in2lol.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 01 2012 18:45 GMT
#3324
Voyboy joins Curse..... Westrice gets the boot? Ha.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 01 2012 18:47 GMT
#3325
On November 02 2012 03:41 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:21 arb wrote:
On November 02 2012 03:19 Ketara wrote:
On November 02 2012 02:47 OreoBoi wrote:
On November 02 2012 02:30 AwayFromLife wrote:
Looks like Zed is a damage oriented bruiser:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12f8la/zed_the_master_of_shadows_champion_sneak/c6ulwn9

Riot itzmattu compares him to Lee, Riven, Jayce, Rengar, and Irelia, saying he's strong jungle and possibly top. Lacks defensive options but makes up for it with mobility.

I can dig it.


So another damage jungler that will probably end up overpowered top on release because they'll increase his base stats because junglers don't get as much gold.
Also, I know it's not a good business plan, but seriously you could just rework talon into this and release a skin.


Yeah I am not excited at all about Zed, this information basically verifies why I am not excited. Feels like every other champion they've made recently save Syndra.

Im with the people in the thread, id like to see another ADC truthfully.


What's needed is like 3 or 4 supports. The last real support they released was Lulu, and that's quite a while ago...

There's Zyra now. Even though she wasn't intended as one... but at least Riot doesn't seem to want to "undo" it like they undid AP Janna.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2012 18:53 GMT
#3326
On November 02 2012 03:38 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:25 Numy wrote:
Feels like they should just stop releasing so many new heroes and rather rework some of the older ones then release new ones that they have really put in a lot to make new and fresh. I guess it's not their business model so they'd rather force new ideas than let them just come naturally.


They've talked about this, the team that works on new champions and the team that works on rebalancing old champions are two different groups of people. One of them works faster, unfortunately.

It makes sense if you think about it.

The team that makes new champions more or less has free reign to release what they want. They need a cool concept and fun basic gameplay, but other issues can more or less be worried about after release.

The team that remakes old champions has to come up with solutions to those issues. Degenerate/anti-fun gameplay that ended up getting through on the champ's initial design have to be tackled, which is much harder than just having a cool concept and fun basic gameplay.
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samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
November 01 2012 18:54 GMT
#3327
I wonder why riot didnt undo ap carry morg she still even listed as support by riot, and trust me i had a lvl 30 argue that morg wasnt a ap carry cause riot says she is support
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
November 01 2012 18:54 GMT
#3328
On November 02 2012 02:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 02:40 Kaniol wrote:
On November 02 2012 02:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
Did no one comment about Ferus becoming part of FearR? Or did everyone loose interest just because it wasn't a preexisting SC or Dota team haha? Gnome was right when she said no one was going to expect where they were going. Not really familiar with FeaR on the Call of Duty scene, but they must have made a pretty solid offer for them not to resign with MMe.

Source: http://www.teamfeargaming.com/articles/news/Team-FeaR/6/Team-FeaR-League-of-Legends-Team-Announced/

Huh? What is Ferus? What is Fear? Who is Gnome?
o.o

Ferus - Formally mTw.NA and MMe.Ferus
Gnome - Gnomesayin, their team manager
FeaR - Their new sponsor who also sponsored COD.

Oh, so i guess noone comments about them because they weren't really any big team tbh
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
November 01 2012 18:55 GMT
#3329
Any one care to give me a primer on support zyra. I play her mid a bunch and tried her out support yesterday. I felt just as powerful as your standard supports. I was unsure what to lvl though. I went e w q into r>w>e>q thinking getting the cdr from e would be best but idk.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 01 2012 18:55 GMT
#3330
On November 02 2012 03:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:38 Ketara wrote:
On November 02 2012 03:25 Numy wrote:
Feels like they should just stop releasing so many new heroes and rather rework some of the older ones then release new ones that they have really put in a lot to make new and fresh. I guess it's not their business model so they'd rather force new ideas than let them just come naturally.


They've talked about this, the team that works on new champions and the team that works on rebalancing old champions are two different groups of people. One of them works faster, unfortunately.

It makes sense if you think about it.

The team that makes new champions more or less has free reign to release what they want. They need a cool concept and fun basic gameplay, but other issues can more or less be worried about after release.

The team that remakes old champions has to come up with solutions to those issues. Degenerate/anti-fun gameplay that ended up getting through on the champ's initial design have to be tackled, which is much harder than just having a cool concept and fun basic gameplay.


It does make sense but then why are we seeing the same kind of idea constantly.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 01 2012 18:56 GMT
#3331
On November 02 2012 03:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:38 Ketara wrote:
On November 02 2012 03:25 Numy wrote:
Feels like they should just stop releasing so many new heroes and rather rework some of the older ones then release new ones that they have really put in a lot to make new and fresh. I guess it's not their business model so they'd rather force new ideas than let them just come naturally.


They've talked about this, the team that works on new champions and the team that works on rebalancing old champions are two different groups of people. One of them works faster, unfortunately.

It makes sense if you think about it.

The team that makes new champions more or less has free reign to release what they want. They need a cool concept and fun basic gameplay, but other issues can more or less be worried about after release.

The team that remakes old champions has to come up with solutions to those issues. Degenerate/anti-fun gameplay that ended up getting through on the champ's initial design have to be tackled, which is much harder than just having a cool concept and fun basic gameplay.


The remake team also isn't on a deadline. They have to get things right, whereas the new champ designers... don't. as you can see.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 18:58:07
November 01 2012 18:57 GMT
#3332
On November 02 2012 03:55 jadoth wrote:
Any one care to give me a primer on support zyra. I play her mid a bunch and tried her out support yesterday. I felt just as powerful as your standard supports. I was unsure what to lvl though. I went e w q into r>w>e>q thinking getting the cdr from e would be best but idk.


Your plants' damage scale with level and AP, not the ranks of your abilities, so it's better to go E>W>Q or E > W = Q.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
November 01 2012 18:58 GMT
#3333
On November 02 2012 01:41 Kavas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 01:35 kainzero wrote:
wasn't there an AF vs. TPA game in s2 championships where vayne/nunu beat ez/sona straight up in lane? or at least tied them?

iirc game 1 was a laneswitch but i don't remember game 2.

Yes. But iirc, TPA only picked vayne when they were blue side and they tried some mind games with lane switches as well.


Why was it important that they only did it on blue side? Double golems? Red?
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
November 01 2012 19:00 GMT
#3334
On November 02 2012 03:55 jadoth wrote:
Any one care to give me a primer on support zyra. I play her mid a bunch and tried her out support yesterday. I felt just as powerful as your standard supports. I was unsure what to lvl though. I went e w q into r>w>e>q thinking getting the cdr from e would be best but idk.


iirc you do EWQ, then R > E > W >Q. Main reason is you want to get your E maxed first to have the longer root duration. The W next to get the CDR and to be able to plant more seeds down faster, either for faux-wards or to EWW someone. Q you usually level up last just because you won't have the AP/Mana to make it worth it and thus you basically just use it as another way to pop your seeds.

At least that's basically how I'd do it.
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 19:01:13
November 01 2012 19:00 GMT
#3335
On November 02 2012 03:55 jadoth wrote:
Any one care to give me a primer on support zyra. I play her mid a bunch and tried her out support yesterday. I felt just as powerful as your standard supports. I was unsure what to lvl though. I went e w q into r>w>e>q thinking getting the cdr from e would be best but idk.


just max the root, catch people in it and cast 2 plants on top of them.
and use the huge autoattack range.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 01 2012 19:01 GMT
#3336
On November 02 2012 03:54 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 02:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On November 02 2012 02:40 Kaniol wrote:
On November 02 2012 02:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
Did no one comment about Ferus becoming part of FearR? Or did everyone loose interest just because it wasn't a preexisting SC or Dota team haha? Gnome was right when she said no one was going to expect where they were going. Not really familiar with FeaR on the Call of Duty scene, but they must have made a pretty solid offer for them not to resign with MMe.

Source: http://www.teamfeargaming.com/articles/news/Team-FeaR/6/Team-FeaR-League-of-Legends-Team-Announced/

Huh? What is Ferus? What is Fear? Who is Gnome?
o.o

Ferus - Formally mTw.NA and MMe.Ferus
Gnome - Gnomesayin, their team manager
FeaR - Their new sponsor who also sponsored COD.

Oh, so i guess noone comments about them because they weren't really any big team tbh

Aphro is pretty popular at the moment, just yesterday there was several pages speculating who their new sponsor was going to be. They have the potential to be really good IMO (NA scene anyway).
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 19:10:39
November 01 2012 19:10 GMT
#3337
I just got an anti-abortion funded by a religious organization commercial on Twitch.tv(wings stream)

Yay ESPORTS sponsors!
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2012 19:22 GMT
#3338
On November 02 2012 04:00 SidianTheBard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:55 jadoth wrote:
Any one care to give me a primer on support zyra. I play her mid a bunch and tried her out support yesterday. I felt just as powerful as your standard supports. I was unsure what to lvl though. I went e w q into r>w>e>q thinking getting the cdr from e would be best but idk.


iirc you do EWQ, then R > E > W >Q. Main reason is you want to get your E maxed first to have the longer root duration. The W next to get the CDR and to be able to plant more seeds down faster, either for faux-wards or to EWW someone. Q you usually level up last just because you won't have the AP/Mana to make it worth it and thus you basically just use it as another way to pop your seeds.

At least that's basically how I'd do it.

According to Mistake, you max Q second, not W.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 19:27:59
November 01 2012 19:25 GMT
#3339
On November 02 2012 03:58 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 01:41 Kavas wrote:
On November 02 2012 01:35 kainzero wrote:
wasn't there an AF vs. TPA game in s2 championships where vayne/nunu beat ez/sona straight up in lane? or at least tied them?

iirc game 1 was a laneswitch but i don't remember game 2.

Yes. But iirc, TPA only picked vayne when they were blue side and they tried some mind games with lane switches as well.

Why was it important that they only did it on blue side? Double golems? Red?


Which game? There was one where it was TPA playing Lulu Vayne vs. Sona Ezreal, and one where it was Nunu Vayne vs. Leona Ezreal
The Lulu Vayne game, I don't remember how lane went, but Frost eventually won.

The Nunu Vayne game, pressure from Mundo compared to Shen being a slow jungler was pretty crucial to how lanes played out.
I think a combination between:
Double Golems
River ward spots (purple side is less safe from jungle ganks due to entry points, which means purple is taking more/bigger risks when attempting to properly punish Vayne.)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 01 2012 19:26 GMT
#3340
On November 02 2012 04:22 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 04:00 SidianTheBard wrote:
On November 02 2012 03:55 jadoth wrote:
Any one care to give me a primer on support zyra. I play her mid a bunch and tried her out support yesterday. I felt just as powerful as your standard supports. I was unsure what to lvl though. I went e w q into r>w>e>q thinking getting the cdr from e would be best but idk.


iirc you do EWQ, then R > E > W >Q. Main reason is you want to get your E maxed first to have the longer root duration. The W next to get the CDR and to be able to plant more seeds down faster, either for faux-wards or to EWW someone. Q you usually level up last just because you won't have the AP/Mana to make it worth it and thus you basically just use it as another way to pop your seeds.

At least that's basically how I'd do it.

According to Mistake, you max Q second, not W.


While he is obviously on top of the pro-scene, some of his choices are really awkward, such as how he also suggests that Janna should run ArPen reds (WTF).

Maybe he has some reasons to max Q first, but I feel that CDR and faster seeds generation is more important, especially since plants damage does not scale with Q ranks.
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