[Patch 1.0.0.150: Shadow Isles] General Discussion - Page…

On November 01 2012 04:34 Vlanitak wrote:
you guys are not much better,

In other news: Looking forward to seeing who is picking up Aphromoo and coo

On November 01 2012 04:30 AsnSensation wrote:
it was a fanfic after hotshot benches Saint, damn it how could you guys forget that.

it was an epic forumpost with epic background music and hilarois to read.

On November 01 2012 04:37 Doctorbeat wrote:
Locodoco is so mad on stream. Lol.

On November 01 2012 05:02 thenexusp wrote:
hey guys I have a theory, does it make any sense?

There is a type of player who has the mechanics and knowledge of a 1400 player (for example), but sucks at leadership, whether saying things in a way that'll make people listen to him ("OMG I PING DRAGON 5 TIMES NO ONE COME FUKIN NOBS") or having a tendency to make poor calls (going for baron at the wrong times) or simply never making calls and hoping someone else will say to dragon or push or turtle. This player will hold his own in a 1400 game, he won't lose lane, someone else will call objectives, or when he pings dragon people have enough awareness to go for it and he doesn't rage. But if he drops down to 1100 elo he can't carry himself back up, because he can't lead a team, and the other 1100s are making 1100-elo calls and not getting him anywhere. For this player, elo hell is a very real place, but because of an SC2-like mentality of "all that matters is mechanics and knowledge" he doesn't realize his own flaws that are holding him back. He'll cite games in 1400 elo where he did well, but not realize that his flaws are covered at that elo. Another player, who is a great leader, carries himself out of 1100 elo without a single loss and wonders what the first guy's problem is, there is no elo hell, obviously the first guy deserves to be at 1100 elo if he's been there so long. And then the next elo hell discussion begins.

On November 01 2012 05:02 thenexusp wrote:
hey guys I have a theory, does it make any sense?

There is a type of player who has the mechanics and knowledge of a 1400 player (for example), but sucks at leadership, whether saying things in a way that'll make people listen to him ("OMG I PING DRAGON 5 TIMES NO ONE COME FUKIN NOBS") or having a tendency to make poor calls (going for baron at the wrong times) or simply never making calls and hoping someone else will say to dragon or push or turtle. This player will hold his own in a 1400 game, he won't lose lane, someone else will call objectives, or when he pings dragon people have enough awareness to go for it and he doesn't rage. But if he drops down to 1100 elo he can't carry himself back up, because he can't lead a team, and the other 1100s are making 1100-elo calls and not getting him anywhere. For this player, elo hell is a very real place, but because of an SC2-like mentality of "all that matters is mechanics and knowledge" he doesn't realize his own flaws that are holding him back. He'll cite games in 1400 elo where he did well, but not realize that his flaws are covered at that elo. Another player, who is a great leader, carries himself out of 1100 elo without a single loss and wonders what the first guy's problem is, there is no elo hell, obviously the first guy deserves to be at 1100 elo if he's been there so long. And then the next elo hell discussion begins.

On November 01 2012 05:08 Slayer91 wrote:
tldr 99% of people prefer to come up with complicated theories of why it might be possible for elo hell to exist rather than look for simple theories why they aren't rising in elo

On November 01 2012 05:02 thenexusp wrote:
hey guys I have a theory, does it make any sense?

There is a type of player who has the mechanics and knowledge of a 1400 player (for example), but sucks at leadership, whether saying things in a way that'll make people listen to him ("OMG I PING DRAGON 5 TIMES NO ONE COME FUKIN NOBS") or having a tendency to make poor calls (going for baron at the wrong times) or simply never making calls and hoping someone else will say to dragon or push or turtle. This player will hold his own in a 1400 game, he won't lose lane, someone else will call objectives, or when he pings dragon people have enough awareness to go for it and he doesn't rage. But if he drops down to 1100 elo he can't carry himself back up, because he can't lead a team, and the other 1100s are making 1100-elo calls and not getting him anywhere. For this player, elo hell is a very real place, but because of an SC2-like mentality of "all that matters is mechanics and knowledge" he doesn't realize his own flaws that are holding him back. He'll cite games in 1400 elo where he did well, but not realize that his flaws are covered at that elo. Another player, who is a great leader, carries himself out of 1100 elo without a single loss and wonders what the first guy's problem is, there is no elo hell, obviously the first guy deserves to be at 1100 elo if he's been there so long. And then the next elo hell discussion begins.

On November 01 2012 04:34 Vlanitak wrote:
you guys are not much better,

In other news: Looking forward to seeing who is picking up Aphromoo and coo

On November 01 2012 05:30 Slayer91 wrote:
which doesn't really influence how much you look at the map while laning

On November 01 2012 05:12 Requizen wrote:

Yeah, if I was a better player (not only skill-wise, but team player-wise as well), I could carry myself to whatever ELO. But the idea that you would get 0 games where your teammates would blatantly ignore everything, play like shit, and throw despite your best efforts is laughable. There's such thing as unwinnable games, nothing you can do about them but take it to the QQ thread.