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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 30 2012 16:38 GMT
#2581
On October 31 2012 01:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
cait is a crutch for learning ADs

I wanted to write a joke that would be like a long-ish story that would be kinda clever and then it would get weird and the whole point is that eating is crutch for hungry people and that's why we can't find any guitar shaped dinosaur fossils or something like that. But then I realized it would like take a lot of thought to compose and stuff so yeah I hope you laffed anyway.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 16:40:48
October 30 2012 16:40 GMT
#2582
Cloth 5 will win trades against an AD based top laner, but if you're sitting there trading with them and don't have boots, you have a big 'gank me' sign taped to your back.

Cloth + 3 + ward (works like boots+4... you wait for 5 gold to buy the last item) might be secretly awesome though.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 30 2012 16:40 GMT
#2583
On October 31 2012 01:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
everythings freelo at 1200s

No such thing as freelo when you hit 2k+ players in Ranked 5's

T_T gg wp
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
October 30 2012 16:42 GMT
#2584
On October 31 2012 01:34 APurpleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 01:31 Cloud9157 wrote:
Is it a taboo to go anything other than boots-3 in a lane? Don't understand why no one goes cloth-5 vs a monkey.


Most of the reason is that junglers can start with boots-3, so if you don't you're almost definitely going to give FB to a gank before 3 minutes have passed.


Pretty much this. Back when junglers still started cloth5 you'd see more doran and cloth5 on laners, but now that almost everyone opens boots, you're going to have a cede a decent amount of CS until you know where the jungler is, or know without a doubt that you're safe early. (Maybe you saw them start regrow?) And if that armor doesn't quickly turn into something useful for you, you may become too far behind. I mean, if they're scary enough to start armor, you'll probably want tabi, but if you're just sitting on cloth armor until GA or something ridiculous it's probably hurting you more than helping.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 16:43:05
October 30 2012 16:42 GMT
#2585
On October 31 2012 01:40 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 01:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
everythings freelo at 1200s

No such thing as freelo when you hit 2k+ players in Ranked 5's

T_T gg wp


Thats because you don't know about Viktor.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 30 2012 16:42 GMT
#2586
On October 31 2012 01:38 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 01:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
cait is a crutch for learning ADs

I wanted to write a joke that would be like a long-ish story that would be kinda clever and then it would get weird and the whole point is that eating is crutch for hungry people and that's why we can't find any guitar shaped dinosaur fossils or something like that. But then I realized it would like take a lot of thought to compose and stuff so yeah I hope you laffed anyway.


ok i should say cait is a crutch for leaning to lane as AD, which is obv true.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 30 2012 16:43 GMT
#2587
On October 31 2012 01:37 Cloud9157 wrote:
Fair enough, but when you're a Riven with infinity jumps, couldn't you get away with no boots?

But then what, you're just sitting on Cloth until GA (or making Tabi I guess)? I can see it being good in that specific matchup maybe, but why do that when you can go Boots-Dblades and not have to worry about defenses because you have your shield/MS/some damage? I've never found Wu to be abusive enough towards Riven that I feel scared enough to buy Cloth to counter him.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 30 2012 16:47 GMT
#2588
On October 31 2012 01:43 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 01:37 Cloud9157 wrote:
Fair enough, but when you're a Riven with infinity jumps, couldn't you get away with no boots?

But then what, you're just sitting on Cloth until GA (or making Tabi I guess)? I can see it being good in that specific matchup maybe, but why do that when you can go Boots-Dblades and not have to worry about defenses because you have your shield/MS/some damage? I've never found Wu to be abusive enough towards Riven that I feel scared enough to buy Cloth to counter him.


If you need Cloth Armor to survive the lane, it stands to reason that Tabi would be a sound investment, especially as they increase the effectiveness of your shield.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
HOOG
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada52 Posts
October 30 2012 16:54 GMT
#2589
I have move speed quints that I use for pretty much everyone, that lets me start with cloth5 / regrowth / 13 pots and not be too worries about ganks :D. Just don't push 24/7
1250 ELO too stronk!
Sagamantha
Profile Joined September 2011
United States339 Posts
October 30 2012 17:00 GMT
#2590
On October 31 2012 01:54 HOOG wrote:
I have move speed quints that I use for pretty much everyone, that lets me start with cloth5 / regrowth / 13 pots and not be too worries about ganks :D. Just don't push 24/7



13...pots?! That's something I haven't seen before. Lol.
trueCOMEHfan [16:21] <Qbek> hey sagamama [16:21] <Qbek> you ain;t targe bad
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 30 2012 17:01 GMT
#2591
On October 31 2012 01:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
cait is a crutch for learning ADs

It's only a crutch if you refuse to play other ADC because of it.

It's a great way of learning some basic bot lane intricacies without being totally punished for the "learning" phase.
liftlift > tsm
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 30 2012 17:03 GMT
#2592
On October 31 2012 02:00 TeuTeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 01:54 HOOG wrote:
I have move speed quints that I use for pretty much everyone, that lets me start with cloth5 / regrowth / 13 pots and not be too worries about ganks :D. Just don't push 24/7



13...pots?! That's something I haven't seen before. Lol.


"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
October 30 2012 17:05 GMT
#2593
On October 31 2012 02:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 01:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
cait is a crutch for learning ADs

It's only a crutch if you refuse to play other ADC because of it.

It's a great way of learning some basic bot lane intricacies without being totally punished for the "learning" phase.


Cait is a crutch for double lift

What's everyone's opinions on elise? I haven't seen one in game that wasn't a bot game and they'd feed the bots.
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 30 2012 17:07 GMT
#2594
On October 31 2012 02:05 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 02:01 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 31 2012 01:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
cait is a crutch for learning ADs

It's only a crutch if you refuse to play other ADC because of it.

It's a great way of learning some basic bot lane intricacies without being totally punished for the "learning" phase.


Cait is a crutch for double lift

What's everyone's opinions on elise? I haven't seen one in game that wasn't a bot game and they'd feed the bots.

Are you joking? DL plays a lot of the adc's. The only one I see him actively dislike playing is Ashe, and Kog.
liftlift > tsm
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
October 30 2012 17:08 GMT
#2595
On October 31 2012 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 02:05 WirelessWaffle wrote:
On October 31 2012 02:01 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 31 2012 01:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
cait is a crutch for learning ADs

It's only a crutch if you refuse to play other ADC because of it.

It's a great way of learning some basic bot lane intricacies without being totally punished for the "learning" phase.


Cait is a crutch for double lift

What's everyone's opinions on elise? I haven't seen one in game that wasn't a bot game and they'd feed the bots.

Are you joking? DL plays a lot of the adc's. The only one I see him actively dislike playing is Ashe, and Kog.


Yes I was joking you fangirl XD
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 30 2012 17:11 GMT
#2596
On October 31 2012 01:11 APurpleCow wrote:
I've been trying to learn Irelia lately. Can anyone explain to me why pro builds have shifted away from phage+wit's end first towards TF first?


Once you get Phage and Sheen and you time all your moves properly you get a ton of burst damage from sheen. At lvl 11 the Sheen proc is worth 89 bonus physical damage while two wits end hits are worth 84 magic damage. You get a sheen proc basically every two auto attacks and this allows you to go 9 into red tree for the physical penetration, and you can go 21 defense and skip out on the wits end for GA or just get a FoN if you really need MR plus more MS. Now if you land a Phage proc, you can basically 100-0 any squishy by timing your ultimate to maximize sheen procs with just phage and sheen. Wits end was good for the sustain synergy with Irelia's w but now that the isn't as strong you can go TF first.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 30 2012 17:20 GMT
#2597
Complicated champions like Elise tend to suck initially unless their numbers are out of whack. It just takes time for players to get used to the mechanics and figure what works and what doesn't.

That said, I don't think Elise's kit has the same potential as Jayce's. Four of her abilities are all damage and no utility, leaving her with only a stun, a good one, for team synergy. I think in a few months we'll see more of her, but for now the difficulty of learning her combined with her weaknesses will quickly make her unpopular.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 30 2012 17:46 GMT
#2598
i've tried a number of elise builds and i haven't figured out anything useful.

she feels both slow and squishy, but she doesn't seem to make a good mid and she seems terrible in the jungle.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 30 2012 18:18 GMT
#2599
still very confused why koreans said nunu support is weak...
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 18:21:35
October 30 2012 18:19 GMT
#2600
I think because of Sona.

EDIT: to clarify, because the other team can counterpick with Sona, and the teams generally didn't feel like using a ban on Sona when they can just use another support.
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