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Simberto
Germany11486 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On October 30 2012 23:56 Requizen wrote: Ok, that's no small amount of money, I admit. But this statement I agree with: Maybe it's just me, but I think you might need to work on some things if the only way you can win boils down to more or less a cheese strat because you're too scared to play standard. I don't really have the right to say that stuff as a bad player, of course, but it seems like almost a cop out of "oh, we would have won if we'd been able to surprise with a blindside strategy to make up for the fact that we can't win in a straight up game". It sucks, sure, but it's no "scandal". Maybe it's just me, but I think they might need to work on some things if the only way they can win boils down to more or less a standard strat because they are too scared to do cheeses. :3 <3 In my opinion it's a major major major deal, but what can you do about it now, meh. Don't think benching Dyrus would be the most productive of things. Also, I think someone asked, pretty sure you can disable observers from custom games. They could see match history, but there isn't really a way to know that the Taric was roaming just from that. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Simberto's right though, they're both about the same in the long run. Bursty ADCs with short range and a mobility ability. If you play Ez, they're kind of similar but with less early poke and more AoE. On October 31 2012 00:32 Scip wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I think they might need to work on some things if the only way they can win boils down to more or less a standard strat because they are too scared to do cheeses. :3 <3 In my opinion it's a major major major deal, but what can you do about it now, meh. Don't think benching Dyrus would be the most productive of things. Also, I think someone asked, pretty sure you can disable observers from custom games. They could see match history, but there isn't really a way to know that the Taric was roaming just from that. Well sure, it's probably not smart to always play standard, but standard is standard for a reason. Even if this Bruiser/Taric cheese killed Froggen 2-3 times in the early game and shut him out of farm, would that have won the entire game for them? There's no way to know that, and I find it highly unlikely as I consider CLG.EU to be heads and shoulders above Dig (no offense meant, of course). | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
1) People below a certain Elo expect you to play all roles at around the same level (don't fall into this trap and focus on 1/2 roles, but just know the basics of the other roles). 2) Corki and Graves are probably the most noobsafe AD's since they both have amazing escapes and neither are as reliant on skillshots as Ezreal (who btw also has an amazing escape). Personally I think Miss Fortune and Draven are both severely underrated and Miss Fortune is a lot of fun to play (Draven probably would be as well if I could play him). 3) Laning Phase: Draven, Miss Fortune, Twitch, Graves, Ezreal and Corki (in this order from strongest to weakest IMHO) all have very good laning phases. Midgame: Basically all the AD's with good laning phase+Vayne have a strong midgame. Tristana has the weakest midgame by far. Lategame: Kog, Vayne, Trist and Ashe are considered the strongest (personally I also think Graves is close). I'm not listing Varus because I don't know anything about him and I think he's weak. 4) Most mid champions have to gank to some extent - the mid heroes that should roam the least are probably Karthus and Veigar (Veigar seems weak after DFG nerf - even before that he wasn't considered strong). If you want to play mid lane I recommend learning to roam though; a good way of doing this is just playing 5-10 games where you only farm basically and then 5-10 games where you push lane and roam the shit out of everything, and after that try to find a balance between the two. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Variable early game (strong vs some other ADs that she can harass/outfarm, strength also varies depending on support). Weak to Decent mid game (decent burst with Q, headshot, and R, never get caught with traps + jump, but you don't really have sustained damage without your big items) Strong late game depending on team (you need some tanky walls in front of you so you can abuse your range, you can't really deal with divers. If your team supports you or the other team doesn't have a lot of assassins/bruisers with gap closers, you're god mode). I used to think she was one of the weaker ones, but after playing her a lot, you start to realize range and zone control are pretty amazing. She's not Trist/Kog/Vayne late game, but I'd argue that hers can be stronger than the Graves/Corki/Ez trifecta if you have a good team or know how to position and control space. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:46 Requizen wrote: You forgot Cait :\ Variable early game (strong vs some other ADs that she can harass/outfarm, strength also varies depending on support). Weak to Decent mid game (decent burst with Q, headshot, and R, never get caught with traps + jump, but you don't really have sustained damage without your big items) Strong late game depending on team (you need some tanky walls in front of you so you can abuse your range, you can't really deal with divers. If your team supports you or the other team doesn't have a lot of assassins/bruisers with gap closers, you're god mode). I used to think she was one of the weaker ones, but after playing her a lot, you start to realize range and zone control are pretty amazing. She's not Trist/Kog/Vayne late game, but I'd argue that hers can be stronger than the Graves/Corki/Ez trifecta if you have a good team or know how to position and control space. As someone who mains all skillshot mids, Cait is the only AD I can play. If I'm not abusing range i'm worthless. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 31 2012 00:54 sob3k wrote: As someone who mains all skillshot mids, Cait is the only AD I can play. If I'm not abusing range i'm worthless. Lol, other way around for me. Cait basically has been teaching me how to play AP mids. I used to just run in face first and blow all my spells and die, now I skirt the edge of the field much better. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On October 30 2012 22:53 NeoIllusions wrote: Long story short, he's talking to Wickd and leaks that Dig has two strats: Bruiser mid and early roam Taric, all meant to stop Froggen from getting farmed up. Not sure how the hell you manage to leak one strat, not catch yourself and leak another. #1 Bruiser mid isn't very groundbreaking. Dig ran roaming Taric in s2 finals and failed horribly cuz of bad lv1s and missed timings. Don't think those things are gonna shut froggen down lol. nvm this was for s2 finals, roaming tarics still not that special | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 31 2012 01:16 zulu_nation8 wrote: cait is a crutch for learning ADs Doesn't stop her from being fun and freelo :D | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 31 2012 01:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: everythings freelo at 1200s Shush you, let me enjoy my wins. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
On October 31 2012 01:31 Cloud9157 wrote: Is it a taboo to go anything other than boots-3 in a lane? Don't understand why no one goes cloth-5 vs a monkey. It becomes habit, and people dont want to adapt to something new. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On October 31 2012 01:31 Cloud9157 wrote: Is it a taboo to go anything other than boots-3 in a lane? Don't understand why no one goes cloth-5 vs a monkey. Most of the reason is that junglers can start with boots-3, so if you don't you're almost definitely going to give FB to a gank before 3 minutes have passed. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 31 2012 01:31 Cloud9157 wrote: Is it a taboo to go anything other than boots-3 in a lane? Don't understand why no one goes cloth-5 vs a monkey. I almost just think MS is just too good to pass up right now. Cloth lets you be safe against an aggressive AD champ, sure, but it does nothing for running from ganks or after someone who's low, or roaming/invading. MS is just more versatile, but I can understand a Cloth before boots 2 if you're doing something with it. And not everyone builds something out of Cloth, of course. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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