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On October 30 2012 22:53 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 22:47 Xacez wrote:
Could somebody make a quick recap of the Dyrus Drama stuff, I feel like I have missed out on something big here. Long story short, he's talking to Wickd and leaks that Dig has two strats: Bruiser mid and early roam Taric, all meant to stop Froggen from getting farmed up. Not sure how the hell you manage to leak one strat, not catch yourself and leak another. #1
How did they get leaked to Dyrus in the first place? If I was Dig, I'd be more mad that someone from our team let that out as it was. I mean sure, it was a "vs CLG.EU" specific strat, but who really goes and tells their competition plans, whether they pertain to that opponent or not?
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On October 30 2012 22:58 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 22:53 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 30 2012 22:47 Xacez wrote:
Could somebody make a quick recap of the Dyrus Drama stuff, I feel like I have missed out on something big here. Long story short, he's talking to Wickd and leaks that Dig has two strats: Bruiser mid and early roam Taric, all meant to stop Froggen from getting farmed up. Not sure how the hell you manage to leak one strat, not catch yourself and leak another. #1 How did they get leaked to Dyrus in the first place? If I was Dig, I'd be more mad that someone from our team let that out as it was. I mean sure, it was a "vs CLG.EU" specific strat, but who really goes and tells their competition plans, whether they pertain to that opponent or not?
As mentioned in the video, Dig beat TSM with it a bunch of times in a row. Clearly they were using it in scrims during prep for Worlds.
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TSm and Dig were only scrimming each other the weeks before worlds, also tsm wanted to use a similar strat.
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I'm not sure on the details, but teams have to practice these strats against some competent team. This is why most Asian teams run two teams in-house, to avoid situations where they want to try something new but have to find a team who is willing to be hush about it.
My guess is that TSM had previously been scrim partners before and been quite good about being hush about strats, and built a reputation for being trustworthy. In this case it benefits both teams - Dig gets to practice their strat, and TSM understands how to play against it - as long as they don't have to play each other (or Dig doesn't plan to use the strat vs TSM anyway).
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Imagine the outcry and drama if the roles were reversed.
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On October 30 2012 23:00 seanisgrand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 22:58 Requizen wrote:On October 30 2012 22:53 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 30 2012 22:47 Xacez wrote:
Could somebody make a quick recap of the Dyrus Drama stuff, I feel like I have missed out on something big here. Long story short, he's talking to Wickd and leaks that Dig has two strats: Bruiser mid and early roam Taric, all meant to stop Froggen from getting farmed up. Not sure how the hell you manage to leak one strat, not catch yourself and leak another. #1 How did they get leaked to Dyrus in the first place? If I was Dig, I'd be more mad that someone from our team let that out as it was. I mean sure, it was a "vs CLG.EU" specific strat, but who really goes and tells their competition plans, whether they pertain to that opponent or not? As mentioned in the video, Dig beat TSM with it a bunch of times in a row. Clearly they were using it in scrims during prep for Worlds.
So what was to keep it from getting "leaked" by someone spectating the game and going "wow, Dig was using this weird strat vs TSM...."? There are a million and one ways that this could have happened, I think Dyrus is getting a bad rap for just mentioning something that he saw during a scrim. Unless he specifically was warning Wickd that this was a strat that they were focused on developing for Froggen, it's just conversation.
LoL community #1 at blowing shit out of proportion, imo.
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On October 30 2012 22:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 22:55 obesechicken13 wrote:
So after the 6 hours of downtime is TL going to overreact and move hosting to the cloud? Don't know about you, but they were the most traumatic 6 hours of my life. I only slept for 4 of them.
I slept for like 2 of them. It was hard not knowing when... or perhaps if TL was ever going to return, but let's just say thank god I found reddit. There's no telling how productive I would have been otherwise.
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On October 30 2012 23:03 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 23:00 seanisgrand wrote:On October 30 2012 22:58 Requizen wrote:On October 30 2012 22:53 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 30 2012 22:47 Xacez wrote:
Could somebody make a quick recap of the Dyrus Drama stuff, I feel like I have missed out on something big here. Long story short, he's talking to Wickd and leaks that Dig has two strats: Bruiser mid and early roam Taric, all meant to stop Froggen from getting farmed up. Not sure how the hell you manage to leak one strat, not catch yourself and leak another. #1 How did they get leaked to Dyrus in the first place? If I was Dig, I'd be more mad that someone from our team let that out as it was. I mean sure, it was a "vs CLG.EU" specific strat, but who really goes and tells their competition plans, whether they pertain to that opponent or not? As mentioned in the video, Dig beat TSM with it a bunch of times in a row. Clearly they were using it in scrims during prep for Worlds. So what was to keep it from getting "leaked" by someone spectating the game and going "wow, Dig was using this weird strat vs TSM...."? There are a million and one ways that this could have happened, I think Dyrus is getting a bad rap for just mentioning something that he saw during a scrim. Unless he specifically was warning Wickd that this was a strat that they were focused on developing for Froggen, it's just conversation. LoL community #1 at blowing shit out of proportion, imo.
You don't seem to understand the point of scrimming in secret.
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On October 30 2012 23:09 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 23:03 Requizen wrote:On October 30 2012 23:00 seanisgrand wrote:On October 30 2012 22:58 Requizen wrote:On October 30 2012 22:53 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 30 2012 22:47 Xacez wrote:
Could somebody make a quick recap of the Dyrus Drama stuff, I feel like I have missed out on something big here. Long story short, he's talking to Wickd and leaks that Dig has two strats: Bruiser mid and early roam Taric, all meant to stop Froggen from getting farmed up. Not sure how the hell you manage to leak one strat, not catch yourself and leak another. #1 How did they get leaked to Dyrus in the first place? If I was Dig, I'd be more mad that someone from our team let that out as it was. I mean sure, it was a "vs CLG.EU" specific strat, but who really goes and tells their competition plans, whether they pertain to that opponent or not? As mentioned in the video, Dig beat TSM with it a bunch of times in a row. Clearly they were using it in scrims during prep for Worlds. So what was to keep it from getting "leaked" by someone spectating the game and going "wow, Dig was using this weird strat vs TSM...."? There are a million and one ways that this could have happened, I think Dyrus is getting a bad rap for just mentioning something that he saw during a scrim. Unless he specifically was warning Wickd that this was a strat that they were focused on developing for Froggen, it's just conversation. LoL community #1 at blowing shit out of proportion, imo. You don't seem to understand the point of scrimming in secret.
/shrug
Maybe I'm not taking it seriously enough, but in my mind it's not the most despicable thing an individual could have done. He should be sorry for letting it get out, yeah, but people making it sound like he just cost Dig the entirety of Season 3 when the strat could still be pretty solid even if it's known. You lose the element of surprise for the first game, so maybe he cost them a game out of a Bo3. That sucks, and he should be sorry, but seriously, to bench him over something like that is dumb, and I'm not even a big TSM fan.
Plus, I mean, Bruiser mid and Roam Taric would have thrown Froggen off for like what, the first 10 minutes? Maybe the entire first game, but if you're relying on one "super secret strat" as the entire linchpin of your matchup, I think there's more wrong that just that information getting out.
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On October 30 2012 03:36 Sandster wrote:
How do you play the Orianna vs Katarina matchup? QEQW, R>Q>E>W and just shield yourself and auto?
My question got lost in the thread - can anyone more familiar with the matchup give some color on this? This is a very common matchup now that Kat's are everywhere.
This is what I've done: Orianna's level 1/2 are way stronger, so Q/E and just stand inside the creep wave and zone him. If he shunpos you have shield and he'll take massive creep damage as you auto and Q him when he runs. After the early levels pre-emptively shield yourself every time you go in to harass, and save your Q cooldown for his shunpo. Save R for his R (or just straight kill him if he shunpos and tries to run after, which no good Kat player will do after 6). Aything else?
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Imagine it like this (they were talking about who would beat whom):
W: lol why u think dig would beat us
D: We scrimmed the last weeks nonstop against them... they sent bruiser mid all the time, really fucked up Regi bad, couldnt farm one bit
W: lol yeah, regi bad, npnp
D: yeah we adapted a bit, was still hard, but then hey added taric roam, we couldnt win a single game, regi completely shut out, too op
W: we will see bro, hug!
Crowd around them: ... O_O
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ori vs kat consists of ori auto attacking the shit out of kat until level 5 then Q>W her once to force her back
kat just can't trade you at all until after level 7 and the first back where she has some kind of AP or spell pen
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lol @ dig and clg na complaining they did so badly because they couldn't use their 1 special gimmick tactic that would work like once.
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On October 30 2012 23:15 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 23:09 Dan HH wrote:On October 30 2012 23:03 Requizen wrote:On October 30 2012 23:00 seanisgrand wrote:On October 30 2012 22:58 Requizen wrote:On October 30 2012 22:53 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 30 2012 22:47 Xacez wrote:
Could somebody make a quick recap of the Dyrus Drama stuff, I feel like I have missed out on something big here. Long story short, he's talking to Wickd and leaks that Dig has two strats: Bruiser mid and early roam Taric, all meant to stop Froggen from getting farmed up. Not sure how the hell you manage to leak one strat, not catch yourself and leak another. #1 How did they get leaked to Dyrus in the first place? If I was Dig, I'd be more mad that someone from our team let that out as it was. I mean sure, it was a "vs CLG.EU" specific strat, but who really goes and tells their competition plans, whether they pertain to that opponent or not? As mentioned in the video, Dig beat TSM with it a bunch of times in a row. Clearly they were using it in scrims during prep for Worlds. So what was to keep it from getting "leaked" by someone spectating the game and going "wow, Dig was using this weird strat vs TSM...."? There are a million and one ways that this could have happened, I think Dyrus is getting a bad rap for just mentioning something that he saw during a scrim. Unless he specifically was warning Wickd that this was a strat that they were focused on developing for Froggen, it's just conversation. LoL community #1 at blowing shit out of proportion, imo. You don't seem to understand the point of scrimming in secret. /shrug Maybe I'm not taking it seriously enough, but in my mind it's not the most despicable thing an individual could have done. He should be sorry for letting it get out, yeah, but people making it sound like he just cost Dig the entirety of Season 3 when the strat could still be pretty solid even if it's known. You lose the element of surprise for the first game, so maybe he cost them a game out of a Bo3. That sucks, and he should be sorry, but seriously, to bench him over something like that is dumb, and I'm not even a big TSM fan. Plus, I mean, Bruiser mid and Roam Taric would have thrown Froggen off for like what, the first 10 minutes? Maybe the entire first game, but if you're relying on one "super secret strat" as the entire linchpin of your matchup, I think there's more wrong that just that information getting out.
It was a BO1 and one win difference would have made a higher prize money if i recall correctly.
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The difference in prize money between 3rd and 4th place in the groups was $25K, not exactly a small sum.
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Ok, that's no small amount of money, I admit. But this statement I agree with:
On October 30 2012 23:34 Slayer91 wrote:
lol @ dig and clg na complaining they did so badly because they couldn't use their 1 special gimmick tactic that would work like once.
Maybe it's just me, but I think you might need to work on some things if the only way you can win boils down to more or less a cheese strat because you're too scared to play standard. I don't really have the right to say that stuff as a bad player, of course, but it seems like almost a cop out of "oh, we would have won if we'd been able to surprise with a blindside strategy to make up for the fact that we can't win in a straight up game". It sucks, sure, but it's no "scandal".
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Dig was scrimming with TSM because they couldn't meet until late in the tournament anyway, dig was mostly interested in getting out of group stages alive
There's also this guy's IRC log from the reddit thread
[11:10] <Krepo> all i heard was
[11:10] <Krepo> "dig trying something new"
[11:10] <Krepo> butt that info isn't worth shit
[11:10] <Krepo> we just know if we play vs taric
[11:10] <Krepo> he can show up anywhere
[11:10] <Krepo> so we acted careful
[11:10] <Krepo> i mean we playedi n korea
[11:10] <Krepo> tarics go missing there 24/7
OTOH imagine the outcry if someone leaked a secret SC2 cheese build before a big tournament.
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well, its just a douche move to blabber about strategies a team used in secret practice against you.
So an apology was in order, if that apology was enough is for dignitas to decide, not reddit.
also, lol i just watched the loco video in clg house.
they have such a huge house, but the players only have like a prison bed and have to sleep with several others in an empty room. I personally would have refused to move in there :D
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People will lick TSM/Dyrus feet even if they act like scumbags. TSM will get quite a bad reputation after this for any future scrim.
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Hey guys I started League a couple of months ago and I need some advice on heroes. I thought I could concentrate on adc role, but as I found out that is not really possible. You always have some insta loggers and stuff, so I breached a little out.
Because my friend told me to wait for level 20 for runes, which was a great advice I have ad/armor/magicres/lev runes to work best for my adc role. I have bought Ezrael (my fav hero by far), Tristana (I feel she really falls off hard in midgame, so I dont play her anymore) and now I´m looking for another adc to buy.
I was thinking Corki or Graves. I played Corki 1 time, when he was free and he seemed really great. He shines from my experience when teamfights start to happen. Big AOE damage from 3 of his skills and 1 escape seem really good.
One thing I noticed though is his skills doesnt really scale well with ad too much and Graves seems pretty nice too just from the skills.
So what are the strengths from each heroes ? Would be nice if sb could characterize them really brief. In categories like early laning, midgame team fights and lategame.
So not being able to play adc every game, I figured top would be the other best role to play with my runes. They also need ad/armor etc. So I play Irelia and Jax there. Both are great imo and toptier ?
Next role I wanna try out more is mid. Played Ryze and didnt like him at all. I dont know he feels so slow from his playstyle and has very short range on all of his skills. From the skills and seeing them in action in my games, Ahri and Lux seem very interesting to me. But Lux is even listed as support. So how viable is she in mid ? Will I get flamed for playing her mid ?
Do both Ahri and Lux have to gank early to be effective ? I´m usually more the type of sit in lane and farm kind of player.
Would be nice if I could get some answers. I come from a Dota background, so things like "is kinda like qop from her style" for example would be welcome too.
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