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On October 17 2012 09:01 Navi wrote:
That would incentivize mids clearing them even more as they are again the most efficient clearers for the least amount of pressure lost (if a jungler attempts to constantly clear camps he will be extremely predictable and easy to read, allowing lanes to pressure when they know he jungler will be nowhere nearby, as well as losing time due to the inefficiency of clearing paths/ travel time). If the jungler has no ganks at all then a lot of lanes are fked
And on top of that it'd probably make people not even consider double golems for a big part of the game, instead of just occasionally doing them like it is now.
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Double golems just take too much time and HP to do, doing the wraith and wolf camp over and over is more efficient
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1. 22 000 Dollar
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Some interesting numbers about KDA, Most picked Heros in the S2 Finals
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here's something i think would be great, just like guitar's idea. Every item starts off with about 65% of it's full stats. They all have an active with a 10 second cooldown that adds 1% of the max value to the stats. When you upgrade, your mashed stats are proportionately gained by the upgrade, so for example 98% blasting wand + 100% catalyst =99% roa. Since players have limited finger strength they'll have to make a decision whether to use their spam early for lane advantage or later when it's more efficient with big items. It'll also be great to see how terrible players like theoddone, hotshotgg, doublelift, dan dinh, therainman, bigfatlp, and others LP posters have brilliantly dissected in the past will "fail to adapt" as usual. Please +1 and let's send this to riot.
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On October 17 2012 09:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
here's something i think would be great, just like guitar's idea. Every item starts off with about 65% of it's full stats. They all have an active with a 10 second cooldown that adds 1% of the max value to the stats. When you upgrade, your mashed stats are proportionately gained by the upgrade, so for example 98% blasting wand + 100% catalyst =99% roa. Since players have limited finger strength they'll have to make a decision whether to use their spam early for lane advantage or later when it's more efficient with big items. It'll also be great to see how terrible players like theoddone, hotshotgg, doublelift, dan dinh, therainman, bigfatlp, and others LP posters have brilliantly dissected in the past will "fail to adapt" as usual. Please +1 and let's send this to riot.
Yo dawg, I heard you like pushing buttons.
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On October 17 2012 09:01 Navi wrote:
That would incentivize mids clearing them even more as they are again the most efficient clearers for the least amount of pressure lost (if a jungler attempts to constantly clear camps he will be extremely predictable and easy to read, allowing lanes to pressure when they know he jungler will be nowhere nearby, as well as losing time due to the inefficiency of clearing paths/ travel time). If the jungler has no ganks at all then a lot of lanes are fked
This is what I am worried about too. If jungle camps get more reward, it will just encourage mid lane pushing even more (push lane, go counterjungle).
I know Riot is trying to tackle the mid lane shoving problem. I am guessing that they will nerf the mid tower damage... but the jungle rework is probably going to make it the other way around.
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Hey,
I'm really frustrated with what LoL is currently for me, and I also don't wanna bring up the ELO hell discussion again. It is what it is. The thing I can't understand that I know I play better than the avarage guy in the 900-1000 ELO range. Yet I constantly fail to carry. For example today I went down from 1k to 896, just because I got teamed up with a caitlyn who didn't know what last hit means. He literally auto attacked all the time, while the opposing ad carry was doing ok.
Okay, after this I give up on trying to play anything but botlane (I usually always bot with my friend). I go solo ad carry and I don't really even get to play the match cause your enemies get first blood at our blue(how do they always fail to escape/react in time). Anyway, I was still positive in my ability to carry the game. So down we go together with blitz, who actually was first pick. Immidiately when we hit the lane we spot a wild Ashe. She spams her W like a maniac and pushes my lane to the tower.
Blitzcrank doesn't give a damn, he rushes through the minions and tries to grab ashe. While doing this he tanks enemy minons and shortly after dies. After this the rest of the game is a pain. All he does is feed, feed and more feed. Eventually though, I farm my way up to +40 cs over ashe, but still all those taric grabs and failed ganks by kha'zix (who enjoyed ganking with 300 hp).
So the question is, am I just extremly unlucky because I have no clue what i'm doing wrong. I was thinking maybe i'm too passive to carry consistently, but even if I am shouldn't I be able to win more than 50% by just beating my lane with ease?
TLDR: I play better than 90% of the players in my ELO consistently, yet fail to carry even when really fed. Why do I get the most dumbass team mates(by dumbass in this case I may even mean retarded or braindead)
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Holy shit, after the world championships: Orianna mid. Every. Single. GAME.
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On October 17 2012 10:25 FreshVegetables wrote:
Hey,
I'm really frustrated with what LoL is currently for me, and I also don't wanna bring up the ELO hell discussion again. It is what it is. The thing I can't understand that I know I play better than the avarage guy in the 900-1000 ELO range. Yet I constantly fail to carry. For example today I went down from 1k to 896, just because I got teamed up with a caitlyn who didn't know what last hit means. He literally auto attacked all the time, while the opposing ad carry was doing ok.
Okay, after this I give up on trying to play anything but botlane (I usually always bot with my friend). I go solo ad carry and I don't really even get to play the match cause your enemies get first blood at our blue(how do they always fail to escape/react in time). Anyway, I was still positive in my ability to carry the game. So down we go together with blitz, who actually was first pick. Immidiately when we hit the lane we spot a wild Ashe. She spams her W like a maniac and pushes my lane to the tower.
Blitzcrank doesn't give a damn, he rushes through the minions and tries to grab ashe. While doing this he tanks enemy minons and shortly after dies. After this the rest of the game is a pain. All he does is feed, feed and more feed. Eventually though, I farm my way up to +40 cs over ashe, but still all those taric grabs and failed ganks by kha'zix (who enjoyed ganking with 300 hp).
So the question is, am I just extremly unlucky because I have no clue what i'm doing wrong. I was thinking maybe i'm too passive to carry consistently, but even if I am shouldn't I be able to win more than 50% by just beating my lane with ease?
TLDR: I play better than 90% of the players in my ELO consistently, yet fail to carry even when really fed. Why do I get the most dumbass team mates(by dumbass in this case I may even mean retarded or braindead)
Cheer up. I'm too afraid of playing because my teammates have carried me too much and if I play I'm gonna get stomped down.
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On October 17 2012 10:26 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 10:25 FreshVegetables wrote:
Hey,
I'm really frustrated with what LoL is currently for me, and I also don't wanna bring up the ELO hell discussion again. It is what it is. The thing I can't understand that I know I play better than the avarage guy in the 900-1000 ELO range. Yet I constantly fail to carry. For example today I went down from 1k to 896, just because I got teamed up with a caitlyn who didn't know what last hit means. He literally auto attacked all the time, while the opposing ad carry was doing ok.
Okay, after this I give up on trying to play anything but botlane (I usually always bot with my friend). I go solo ad carry and I don't really even get to play the match cause your enemies get first blood at our blue(how do they always fail to escape/react in time). Anyway, I was still positive in my ability to carry the game. So down we go together with blitz, who actually was first pick. Immidiately when we hit the lane we spot a wild Ashe. She spams her W like a maniac and pushes my lane to the tower.
Blitzcrank doesn't give a damn, he rushes through the minions and tries to grab ashe. While doing this he tanks enemy minons and shortly after dies. After this the rest of the game is a pain. All he does is feed, feed and more feed. Eventually though, I farm my way up to +40 cs over ashe, but still all those taric grabs and failed ganks by kha'zix (who enjoyed ganking with 300 hp).
So the question is, am I just extremly unlucky because I have no clue what i'm doing wrong. I was thinking maybe i'm too passive to carry consistently, but even if I am shouldn't I be able to win more than 50% by just beating my lane with ease?
TLDR: I play better than 90% of the players in my ELO consistently, yet fail to carry even when really fed. Why do I get the most dumbass team mates(by dumbass in this case I may even mean retarded or braindead) Cheer up. I'm too afraid of playing because my teammates have carried me too much and if I play I'm gonna get stomped down.
I try to stay positive, and sometimes I actually get decent games in ranked. But most of the time it's a clusterfuck. lol... Shouldn't have played those placement matches right after I hit level 30 six months ago.. 
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On October 17 2012 10:25 FreshVegetables wrote:
Hey,
I'm really frustrated with what LoL is currently for me, and I also don't wanna bring up the ELO hell discussion again. It is what it is. The thing I can't understand that I know I play better than the avarage guy in the 900-1000 ELO range. Yet I constantly fail to carry. For example today I went down from 1k to 896, just because I got teamed up with a caitlyn who didn't know what last hit means. He literally auto attacked all the time, while the opposing ad carry was doing ok.
Okay, after this I give up on trying to play anything but botlane (I usually always bot with my friend). I go solo ad carry and I don't really even get to play the match cause your enemies get first blood at our blue(how do they always fail to escape/react in time). Anyway, I was still positive in my ability to carry the game. So down we go together with blitz, who actually was first pick. Immidiately when we hit the lane we spot a wild Ashe. She spams her W like a maniac and pushes my lane to the tower.
Blitzcrank doesn't give a damn, he rushes through the minions and tries to grab ashe. While doing this he tanks enemy minons and shortly after dies. After this the rest of the game is a pain. All he does is feed, feed and more feed. Eventually though, I farm my way up to +40 cs over ashe, but still all those taric grabs and failed ganks by kha'zix (who enjoyed ganking with 300 hp).
So the question is, am I just extremly unlucky because I have no clue what i'm doing wrong. I was thinking maybe i'm too passive to carry consistently, but even if I am shouldn't I be able to win more than 50% by just beating my lane with ease?
TLDR: I play better than 90% of the players in my ELO consistently, yet fail to carry even when really fed. Why do I get the most dumbass team mates(by dumbass in this case I may even mean retarded or braindead)
One of the best things I've learned is if you're losing, you're always doing something wrong. What I mean by this is that there's most likely something you could be doing a lot better. Whenever I play support, I don't say "I lost because I'm support and couldn't carry", I say "I should have gotten more wards" or "I could have done a much better job at bot". However, the number one way to win matches if you're better than your team or enemy team is to become the leader. You've probably been in situations before when you'll be doing something and you'll notice that the enemy is trying to go after an objective. What a lot of people will do is go to the objective (I mean something like Dragon) even if the rest of their team isn't there. You doing a simple ping to get them away or telling them "forget it, just take down their tower" can easily change the course of a match.
Gonna put a bit of anecdotal evidence here, but a while ago my team and I (solo queue ranked) went to go do dragon. The rest of their team was dead, save for three people, one of whom was top. What happened next? We lost 2v4.
A simple ping or call saying "everyone keep on drag" or "switch to the enemy" and we would have either gotten a kill or gotten drag, or maybe even both. Because we were split up and confused though, we lost a piss-easy fight.
If you're the AD carry and you're excelling at your lane, try and do as much for other lanes as possible. You might even consider buying a few wards so that you can cover more of the map (no one puts wards down in low rank unless they're really winning hard and have excess money, or they're support). There's so much you can do for your team, no matter what role you play, which helps way more than just winning your lane.
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On October 17 2012 10:26 IMoperator wrote:
Holy shit, after the world championships: Orianna mid. Every. Single. GAME.
Is it because she's OP or is it because she's solid though? I'm pretty sure there are a good number of mids who are equally as viable as Orianna, like Ahri, Gragas, Morg and Ryze. Granted, they each have cases in which they can excel or lose in, but maybe Ori was just picked because she's a bit more well-rounded. She's got good utility/damage/survivability/laning.
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On October 17 2012 10:40 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 10:26 IMoperator wrote:
Holy shit, after the world championships: Orianna mid. Every. Single. GAME. Is it because she's OP or is it because she's solid though? I'm pretty sure there are a good number of mids who are equally as viable as Orianna, like Ahri, Gragas, Morg and Ryze. Granted, they each have cases in which they can excel or lose in, but maybe Ori was just picked because she's a bit more well-rounded. She's got good utility/damage/survivability/laning.
Her kit works well with coordination and her ball is very important for map awareness at level 1, considering how jungle invade heavy the championship were.
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The double IP thing work with IP boost, right?
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On October 17 2012 10:25 FreshVegetables wrote:
Hey,
I'm really frustrated with what LoL is currently for me, and I also don't wanna bring up the ELO hell discussion again. It is what it is. The thing I can't understand that I know I play better than the avarage guy in the 900-1000 ELO range. Yet I constantly fail to carry. For example today I went down from 1k to 896, just because I got teamed up with a caitlyn who didn't know what last hit means. He literally auto attacked all the time, while the opposing ad carry was doing ok.
Okay, after this I give up on trying to play anything but botlane (I usually always bot with my friend). I go solo ad carry and I don't really even get to play the match cause your enemies get first blood at our blue(how do they always fail to escape/react in time). Anyway, I was still positive in my ability to carry the game. So down we go together with blitz, who actually was first pick. Immidiately when we hit the lane we spot a wild Ashe. She spams her W like a maniac and pushes my lane to the tower.
Blitzcrank doesn't give a damn, he rushes through the minions and tries to grab ashe. While doing this he tanks enemy minons and shortly after dies. After this the rest of the game is a pain. All he does is feed, feed and more feed. Eventually though, I farm my way up to +40 cs over ashe, but still all those taric grabs and failed ganks by kha'zix (who enjoyed ganking with 300 hp).
So the question is, am I just extremly unlucky because I have no clue what i'm doing wrong. I was thinking maybe i'm too passive to carry consistently, but even if I am shouldn't I be able to win more than 50% by just beating my lane with ease?
TLDR: I play better than 90% of the players in my ELO consistently, yet fail to carry even when really fed. Why do I get the most dumbass team mates(by dumbass in this case I may even mean retarded or braindead)
personally what I found works best is trying to help my dumbass teammates play smarter. If that means I have to ping and type in chat often than that is what I'll do. That means if my jungler shows up for a 40%hp gank, I'll tell him to go back to heal before coming for a gank.
Also I found I can "carry" bot better as a well played aggressive support (either Blitz or Sona) than as the AD carry. Many people can last hit decently, very few people at low ELO hell can skillshot Blitzcrank pulls reliably. Example my first ranked game after a few weeks of absence I picked Blitz because none of our team wanted to play support. By 15min we had won the botlane 5:0 without our jungler ever showing up to help. Their jungle had to camp the lane from 10min onwards, which meant we won mid and top as well even if both players were having trouble before.
Also so far on my lowish elo, staying alive on my support char with oracles on from midgame onwards is what enables most wins. Simply clearing out wards around dragon and the gank bushes will help your jungler immensly. Yes the jungler should have it instead, but frankly I don't rely on random people unless they have shown they can actually do their job :p
A carry can snowball, but a team can still focus them down. If you are good at playing your support your carry will end up fed and you can protect them reliably if you are truly the better player.
Also what are you doing after you win your lane with ease? Do you enable Dragons/ganks to help your teammates advance? Or do you just focus on bot lane followed by teamfights?
From the games I've played (and watched on streams/tournaments) most of the games are won via midgame control not early advantadges. If your team has secured 3 dragons in a row and can consistently at least come out even in teamfights you really shouldn't loose.
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You pick Orianna for her speed, shield, and ultimate that can latch to any of your teammates not for damage
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On October 17 2012 09:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
here's something i think would be great, just like guitar's idea. Every item starts off with about 65% of it's full stats. They all have an active with a 10 second cooldown that adds 1% of the max value to the stats. When you upgrade, your mashed stats are proportionately gained by the upgrade, so for example 98% blasting wand + 100% catalyst =99% roa. Since players have limited finger strength they'll have to make a decision whether to use their spam early for lane advantage or later when it's more efficient with big items. It'll also be great to see how terrible players like theoddone, hotshotgg, doublelift, dan dinh, therainman, bigfatlp, and others LP posters have brilliantly dissected in the past will "fail to adapt" as usual. Please +1 and let's send this to riot.
I tried to give your idea a +1 but I had to give you +0.01 points which I could only give once every ten seconds. Due to my low attention span ELOz you ended up with about 0.76 points.
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On October 17 2012 06:57 thenexusp wrote:
Boots of Helping
Boots + 250 gold
Enhanced Movement 1
Assists are worth 50% more gold and exp.
It's not Enhanced Movement 2? Then it's pretty garbage =\
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On October 17 2012 10:36 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 10:25 FreshVegetables wrote:
Hey,
I'm really frustrated with what LoL is currently for me, and I also don't wanna bring up the ELO hell discussion again. It is what it is. The thing I can't understand that I know I play better than the avarage guy in the 900-1000 ELO range. Yet I constantly fail to carry. For example today I went down from 1k to 896, just because I got teamed up with a caitlyn who didn't know what last hit means. He literally auto attacked all the time, while the opposing ad carry was doing ok.
Okay, after this I give up on trying to play anything but botlane (I usually always bot with my friend). I go solo ad carry and I don't really even get to play the match cause your enemies get first blood at our blue(how do they always fail to escape/react in time). Anyway, I was still positive in my ability to carry the game. So down we go together with blitz, who actually was first pick. Immidiately when we hit the lane we spot a wild Ashe. She spams her W like a maniac and pushes my lane to the tower.
Blitzcrank doesn't give a damn, he rushes through the minions and tries to grab ashe. While doing this he tanks enemy minons and shortly after dies. After this the rest of the game is a pain. All he does is feed, feed and more feed. Eventually though, I farm my way up to +40 cs over ashe, but still all those taric grabs and failed ganks by kha'zix (who enjoyed ganking with 300 hp).
So the question is, am I just extremly unlucky because I have no clue what i'm doing wrong. I was thinking maybe i'm too passive to carry consistently, but even if I am shouldn't I be able to win more than 50% by just beating my lane with ease?
TLDR: I play better than 90% of the players in my ELO consistently, yet fail to carry even when really fed. Why do I get the most dumbass team mates(by dumbass in this case I may even mean retarded or braindead) One of the best things I've learned is if you're losing, you're always doing something wrong. What I mean by this is that there's most likely something you could be doing a lot better. Whenever I play support, I don't say "I lost because I'm support and couldn't carry", I say "I should have gotten more wards" or "I could have done a much better job at bot".
100% Agree. After pulling 2 comebacks as Sona & Leona from games I thought could not be carried, I'm a believer that if you do the best you can to help your team eventually those small advantages will start adding up. It is up to you to do as much as possible for the other so that it doesn't get to the point where the game becomes uncarriable. But rest aware that some teams will be that heavy and when that happens... well... you're fucked, but still try your best.
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