EPTLocket gives ~1700 gold in self stats for a 2225 gold item, plus the shield effect. If we treat the shield as equivalent to HP, the item is cost-effective for self-stats at level 15, which is quite late. Most other aura items are cost-effective for self-stats pretty much right off the bat. A 200 flat shield would make the item break-even for self-stats, which is in line with every aura item in the game.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Locket gives ~1700 gold in self stats for a 2225 gold item, plus the shield effect. If we treat the shield as equivalent to HP, the item is cost-effective for self-stats at level 15, which is quite late. Most other aura items are cost-effective for self-stats pretty much right off the bat. A 200 flat shield would make the item break-even for self-stats, which is in line with every aura item in the game. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 17 2012 07:09 Cloud9157 wrote: omg s2 finals brings out all the meta sheep. Played vs a Lux/Crank/Ez/AP Nid/Skarner team. With the exception of ap nid, all of those champions were played a lot at s2. Not really surprised, but just hated playing against it for the first time. Convincing team that you need to go all-in on engages vs poke comps wasn't fun either. Best thing about meta sheep: Morgana | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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On October 17 2012 07:08 TheYango wrote: You know it's broken when it's stronger than it's DotA equivalent, lol. Mek 250 heal, Pipe 400 shield against magic only--500 shield anything on Locket would be absolutely bonkers. On October 17 2012 07:13 TheYango wrote: Practically speaking, an active AoE shield should just be priced as though it were an aura item that provided that much HP (since an aura actually giving HP would be weird in the cases where someone enters and leaves the aura radius, you have to use an active shield to get an equivalent effect). Locket gives ~1700 gold in self stats for a 2225 gold item, plus the shield effect. If we treat the shield as equivalent to HP, the item is cost-effective for self-stats at level 15, which is quite late. Most other aura items are cost-effective for self-stats pretty much right off the bat. A 200 flat shield would make the item break-even for self-stats, which is in line with every aura item in the game. I admit, I am super biased in favour of Locket. I get item even when it's probably inappropriate. And always buy it on Leona whenever I can. Cause you know, Lore. :3 But like I mentioned, let's say it had HoG stats for 2k gold and a massively powerful active that doesn't stack or refresh. You can't like, not get it because it's so good. But how do you rush it? Does it help break 0cs Support? Does it change what it means to be support and we get Support-top laner style champions where you rush support style items first? Something I've been playing around with in my head. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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qtiehunter
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On October 17 2012 07:28 kainzero wrote: I feel like whoever would get it first gets a big timing window that they should exploit to snowball. I don't think any other item is that strong. Having to bank like 2k gold while sitting on just a post-nerf HoG also leaves you really vulnerable if you're a solo-laner and junglers don't get enough gold as is. So it also gives people a window of opportunity to zone you or gank a lot. Dunno. Again, I'm willing to admit I'm letting my bias and Leona luff get in the way here haha On October 17 2012 07:30 qtiehunter wrote: Sorry for the off-topic. I usually play support/tanky junglers to be able to put up with my teammates' mistakes and provide the team with what it lacks the most. However, it can get boring after time so now I'd like to start playing scumbag junglers, that is, junglers that have strong counterjungling, ganks, ks potential, mobility and damage, etc. Basically the kind of jungler that everyone hates. I'm trying to figure out which champions fit this category and so far I've come up with LeeSin, Shyvana, Rengar, Kha'zix, Nocturne. Am I missing someone? I'd like to know all the possible options. Thanks ^^ Mundo (tank build and does good damage and goes where he pleases), Jarmander (although fallen out of favour, Flag->Dragon Strike is really cool), Meowkai (high base damages), Riven (So much mobility. Hyah! Hyah!), Trundle (Pillarzz) | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
make all gp10 items active instead of passive unique active: once every 10s, you may activate philo/hog/kage/avarice for 5 gold. each separate gold generation item will have its own cooldown now you have to put work into making gold. lane very intense? you'll get more out of a combat item. basically shuts it out for top and mid as well. you want to cs or you want to get passive gold? you're going for passive gold and missing cs. you're going for cs and missing your gp10 timers. would make the game a lot more active. think madlife has a hard time keeping track of everything now? add 2-3 hotkeys every 10s and watch him switch to dorans rings and aegis rush in one game it's something i really wish they'd iterate and yes i know it's artificial difficulty but it would really help keep gp10 items where they are but at the same time push the game away from them | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On October 17 2012 07:41 gtrsrs wrote: i stand the item change that i came up with nearly 2 years ago in regards to how gp10 should work make all gp10 items active instead of passive unique active: once every 10s, you may activate philo/hog/kage/avarice for 5 gold. each separate gold generation item will have its own cooldown now you have to put work into making gold. lane very intense? you'll get more out of a combat item. basically shuts it out for top and mid as well. you want to cs or you want to get passive gold? you're going for passive gold and missing cs. you're going for cs and missing your gp10 timers. would make the game a lot more active. think madlife has a hard time keeping track of everything now? add 2-3 hotkeys every 10s and watch him switch to dorans rings and aegis rush in one game it's something i really wish they'd iterate and yes i know it's artificial difficulty but it would really help keep gp10 items where they are but at the same time push the game away from them would you be penalized for spamming their hotkeys before they are off cooldown? I can imagine I would just spam 1,2 and not worry about them at all. Maybe if you tried to activate them before they are off cooldown, extend the cd by a few seconds.? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On October 17 2012 07:57 wei2coolman wrote: I want items that would make WW a viable jungler again. oh man, remember the days of Bloodrazor first solo-baron-when-it-spawns WW? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 17 2012 08:01 Tooplark wrote: oh man, remember the days of Bloodrazor first solo-baron-when-it-spawns WW? I remember the day when WW could 1v5 enemy teams. Dat was the best. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On October 17 2012 07:57 wei2coolman wrote: I want items that would make WW a viable jungler again. There have been quotes from Riot saying the new jungle changes have buffed single target junglers, WW included. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12041 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
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Navi
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2012 07:41 gtrsrs wrote: i stand the item change that i came up with nearly 2 years ago in regards to how gp10 should work make all gp10 items active instead of passive unique active: once every 10s, you may activate philo/hog/kage/avarice for 5 gold. each separate gold generation item will have its own cooldown now you have to put work into making gold. lane very intense? you'll get more out of a combat item. basically shuts it out for top and mid as well. you want to cs or you want to get passive gold? you're going for passive gold and missing cs. you're going for cs and missing your gp10 timers. would make the game a lot more active. think madlife has a hard time keeping track of everything now? add 2-3 hotkeys every 10s and watch him switch to dorans rings and aegis rush in one game it's something i really wish they'd iterate and yes i know it's artificial difficulty but it would really help keep gp10 items where they are but at the same time push the game away from them I feel like all that accomplishes is BW-style "APM spam for the sake of having high APM". It's not really fun, it's just sort of pushing buttons and getting things mindlessly. No decision making, just sort of shit you have to do because it has to be done. Not a good idea, imo. On October 17 2012 07:57 wei2coolman wrote: I want items that would make WW a viable jungler again. They said specifically that WW is really strong in the new jungle, because he doesn't need the new items to survive the higher damage output. Him and Fiddle were the ones they said got buffed from the changes. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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