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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 27 2012 21:20 GMT
#241
On September 28 2012 06:08 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 05:49 beefhamburger wrote:
I've seen Froggen as Jarvan mid a lot now? Semi-viable or just for solo queue fun?

J4 crushes the shit out of basically every AP. But no one lets you make the pick =\. Nor the Wukong mid pick. Uhg, stupid solo queue.


Is J4 as good as Wukong mid though?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
September 27 2012 21:21 GMT
#242
On September 28 2012 06:17 Slusher wrote:
khaziz banned in every game I've played is he bannable good or just good?


Its probably the whole "new champ dun want to learn what he does" thing.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
September 27 2012 21:36 GMT
#243
It looks like syndra may be useful after this patch O.o
User was warned for too many mimes.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 27 2012 21:38 GMT
#244
On September 28 2012 03:19 udgnim wrote:
I'm starting to approach Lvl 20 at around Lvl 18.6 and wondering what Lvl 3 runes I should get once I hit 20

what I've played lately is just choosing some tanky character (Nautilius, Hecarim) because my team doesn't choose one and stacking armor since opposing teams are almost always AD heavy at the level I play against so far. I'm not sure if I'm very good playing a tanky play style but since I'm basically mitigating the opposing team by armor stacking, I fulfill a pretty useful role of being able to lead the team around and not being instagibbed.

I'm probably not going to play ADC very often since that role almost always gets chosen. I'll play AP if no one else does. I've tried jungling and don't mind jungling but I'm not very efficient with it due to not having a Lvl 30 build or Lvl 3 runes and there's obviously inexperience with ganking attempts or being in a lane when someone goes back to buy. the level I play almost always uses does not have a jungler and has 2 on bot and top lane.

I'm not going to play support unless it can be aggressive like Blitzcrank because I don't trust my partner to effectively make use of it.

By and large, this is true:
http://i.imgur.com/YT7vq.png
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
September 27 2012 21:39 GMT
#245
He's fun to play at least. The jump evolve turns him into a melee centric tristana. Can also seemingly jump over binds in some fashion. Rather you'll be binded but land anyway next to the destination. Not sure if you can actually dodge lux lasers or ashe arrows but I swore I dodged a lux laser by leaping on her.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
September 27 2012 21:46 GMT
#246
On September 28 2012 06:36 docvoc wrote:
It looks like syndra may be useful after this patch O.o


She had great CC and really good poke before the changes. People just hadn't figured her out yet. I think the same could be said of AD Rengar.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 27 2012 21:47 GMT
#247
On September 28 2012 06:46 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 06:36 docvoc wrote:
It looks like syndra may be useful after this patch O.o


She had great CC and really good poke before the changes. People just hadn't figured her out yet. I think the same could be said of AD Rengar.


Diamondprox was already very successful with AD jungle rengar, afaik.

Though he would probably be great at Leblanc jungle too.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
September 27 2012 21:47 GMT
#248
On September 28 2012 04:57 mr_tolkien wrote:
/!\ HELP A FELLOW LIQUIDER /!\
I'm doing a serie of short videos (2~ minutes) on items in LoL and have to finish the first one in the next few hours...

I NEED REPLAYS FEATURING BOOTS OF MOBILITY

I will explain when and why to buy it, blah blah blah, ... Just need a few replays for illustration
Could you save me ? <3
PM me with a link to the replay ! :D

I try a second time. Please send me at least 1 or 2 replays guys T3T
The legend of Darien lives on
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
September 27 2012 21:47 GMT
#249
this guy is so insane. I don't know what to say about him. Its like the first time I ever played lee sin and had no idea what was going on after 5 minutes and I didn't want to.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 27 2012 21:48 GMT
#250
On September 28 2012 06:38 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 03:19 udgnim wrote:
I'm starting to approach Lvl 20 at around Lvl 18.6 and wondering what Lvl 3 runes I should get once I hit 20

what I've played lately is just choosing some tanky character (Nautilius, Hecarim) because my team doesn't choose one and stacking armor since opposing teams are almost always AD heavy at the level I play against so far. I'm not sure if I'm very good playing a tanky play style but since I'm basically mitigating the opposing team by armor stacking, I fulfill a pretty useful role of being able to lead the team around and not being instagibbed.

I'm probably not going to play ADC very often since that role almost always gets chosen. I'll play AP if no one else does. I've tried jungling and don't mind jungling but I'm not very efficient with it due to not having a Lvl 30 build or Lvl 3 runes and there's obviously inexperience with ganking attempts or being in a lane when someone goes back to buy. the level I play almost always uses does not have a jungler and has 2 on bot and top lane.

I'm not going to play support unless it can be aggressive like Blitzcrank because I don't trust my partner to effectively make use of it.

By and large, this is true:
http://i.imgur.com/YT7vq.png


Who the hell uses AP/lvl yellow
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
September 27 2012 21:48 GMT
#251
if someone is on my ignore list and I get matched up with them on the same team, is there some obvious color coding indicating that they are on my ignore list?

ran into my first afkers and it was 2 on a team.
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
September 27 2012 21:49 GMT
#252
On September 28 2012 06:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 06:38 Gahlo wrote:
On September 28 2012 03:19 udgnim wrote:
I'm starting to approach Lvl 20 at around Lvl 18.6 and wondering what Lvl 3 runes I should get once I hit 20

what I've played lately is just choosing some tanky character (Nautilius, Hecarim) because my team doesn't choose one and stacking armor since opposing teams are almost always AD heavy at the level I play against so far. I'm not sure if I'm very good playing a tanky play style but since I'm basically mitigating the opposing team by armor stacking, I fulfill a pretty useful role of being able to lead the team around and not being instagibbed.

I'm probably not going to play ADC very often since that role almost always gets chosen. I'll play AP if no one else does. I've tried jungling and don't mind jungling but I'm not very efficient with it due to not having a Lvl 30 build or Lvl 3 runes and there's obviously inexperience with ganking attempts or being in a lane when someone goes back to buy. the level I play almost always uses does not have a jungler and has 2 on bot and top lane.

I'm not going to play support unless it can be aggressive like Blitzcrank because I don't trust my partner to effectively make use of it.

By and large, this is true:
http://i.imgur.com/YT7vq.png


Who the hell uses AP/lvl yellow

Jiji
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 27 2012 21:50 GMT
#253
azingy/froggen dream team lol
Cackle™
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:53:08
September 27 2012 21:50 GMT
#254
On September 28 2012 06:49 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 06:48 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 28 2012 06:38 Gahlo wrote:
On September 28 2012 03:19 udgnim wrote:
I'm starting to approach Lvl 20 at around Lvl 18.6 and wondering what Lvl 3 runes I should get once I hit 20

what I've played lately is just choosing some tanky character (Nautilius, Hecarim) because my team doesn't choose one and stacking armor since opposing teams are almost always AD heavy at the level I play against so far. I'm not sure if I'm very good playing a tanky play style but since I'm basically mitigating the opposing team by armor stacking, I fulfill a pretty useful role of being able to lead the team around and not being instagibbed.

I'm probably not going to play ADC very often since that role almost always gets chosen. I'll play AP if no one else does. I've tried jungling and don't mind jungling but I'm not very efficient with it due to not having a Lvl 30 build or Lvl 3 runes and there's obviously inexperience with ganking attempts or being in a lane when someone goes back to buy. the level I play almost always uses does not have a jungler and has 2 on bot and top lane.

I'm not going to play support unless it can be aggressive like Blitzcrank because I don't trust my partner to effectively make use of it.

By and large, this is true:
http://i.imgur.com/YT7vq.png


Who the hell uses AP/lvl yellow

Jiji


Then he is wrong. I rather have flat armor yellow than 8.1 extra AP at level 18.

EDIT: I think the MOST UNIVERSALLY USEFUL runes are flat armor yellow. I cannot think of a single role which can say "man, these flat armor runes are useless". Even AP mids can use use flat armor runes successfully. MR per lvl blues, IMO, are actually pretty situational because they break even with the flat ones until lvl 8-9.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:53:24
September 27 2012 21:51 GMT
#255
On September 28 2012 06:46 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 06:36 docvoc wrote:
It looks like syndra may be useful after this patch O.o


She had great CC and really good poke before the changes. People just hadn't figured her out yet. I think the same could be said of AD Rengar.


I thought Rengar has been played quite successfully for a while already, it's just that AP was considered better than AD by many (before the patches).

According to lolking (I'm sure it's not exact, but it should be good enough for this) Rengar's solo queue win rate never was below 45% in September; it's actually been close to 60% for over a week now (which is ridiculously high).

Syndra win rate has never even been higher than 30%.

Yeah, people certainly haven't figured her out :-)

Edit: Just to be clear, the numbers don't change much even if you include only Gold/Plat ranked games. Not sure how they sample, but I have no reason to assume the samples are biased either way.
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:58:38
September 27 2012 21:55 GMT
#256
On September 28 2012 06:38 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 03:19 udgnim wrote:
I'm starting to approach Lvl 20 at around Lvl 18.6 and wondering what Lvl 3 runes I should get once I hit 20

what I've played lately is just choosing some tanky character (Nautilius, Hecarim) because my team doesn't choose one and stacking armor since opposing teams are almost always AD heavy at the level I play against so far. I'm not sure if I'm very good playing a tanky play style but since I'm basically mitigating the opposing team by armor stacking, I fulfill a pretty useful role of being able to lead the team around and not being instagibbed.

I'm probably not going to play ADC very often since that role almost always gets chosen. I'll play AP if no one else does. I've tried jungling and don't mind jungling but I'm not very efficient with it due to not having a Lvl 30 build or Lvl 3 runes and there's obviously inexperience with ganking attempts or being in a lane when someone goes back to buy. the level I play almost always uses does not have a jungler and has 2 on bot and top lane.

I'm not going to play support unless it can be aggressive like Blitzcrank because I don't trust my partner to effectively make use of it.

By and large, this is true:
http://i.imgur.com/YT7vq.png


oh wow, that's golden

it's cuz I have this hidden passion for flowcharts *~*
RIP KT.Violet
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
September 27 2012 21:59 GMT
#257
zz. This youngmini guy is pretty bad if he doesn't play shaco lol;;
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 22:00:18
September 27 2012 21:59 GMT
#258
On September 28 2012 06:55 qtiehunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 06:38 Gahlo wrote:
On September 28 2012 03:19 udgnim wrote:
I'm starting to approach Lvl 20 at around Lvl 18.6 and wondering what Lvl 3 runes I should get once I hit 20

what I've played lately is just choosing some tanky character (Nautilius, Hecarim) because my team doesn't choose one and stacking armor since opposing teams are almost always AD heavy at the level I play against so far. I'm not sure if I'm very good playing a tanky play style but since I'm basically mitigating the opposing team by armor stacking, I fulfill a pretty useful role of being able to lead the team around and not being instagibbed.

I'm probably not going to play ADC very often since that role almost always gets chosen. I'll play AP if no one else does. I've tried jungling and don't mind jungling but I'm not very efficient with it due to not having a Lvl 30 build or Lvl 3 runes and there's obviously inexperience with ganking attempts or being in a lane when someone goes back to buy. the level I play almost always uses does not have a jungler and has 2 on bot and top lane.

I'm not going to play support unless it can be aggressive like Blitzcrank because I don't trust my partner to effectively make use of it.

By and large, this is true:
http://i.imgur.com/YT7vq.png


oh wow, that's golden

it's cuz I have this hidden passion for flowcharts *~*

You're welcome. Outside of it's lack of MS quints mentions on junglers/bad examples for arpen marks I think it's pretty solid.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 22:04:07
September 27 2012 22:00 GMT
#259
On September 28 2012 06:51 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 06:46 overt wrote:
On September 28 2012 06:36 docvoc wrote:
It looks like syndra may be useful after this patch O.o


She had great CC and really good poke before the changes. People just hadn't figured her out yet. I think the same could be said of AD Rengar.


I thought Rengar has been played quite successfully for a while already, it's just that AP was considered better than AD by many (before the patches).

According to lolking (I'm sure it's not exact, but it should be good enough for this) Rengar's solo queue win rate never was below 45% in September; it's actually been close to 60% for over a week now (which is ridiculously high).

Syndra win rate has never even been higher than 30%.

Yeah, people certainly haven't figured her out :-)


I don't really care what lolking says to be honest (personally I think lolking is the worst addition to this game ever, people cite winrates without actually thinking about champions anymore). Regardless, upon release Rengar had like a 36-38% some winrate prior to the discovery of AP Rengar. Even AP Rengar had winrates in the low 40s though.

Syndra has retarded poke and a fucking absurd stun. She's been out for 12 days. Anyone who thinks a champion can be figured out and understood in 12 days is naive. I'm not saying Syndra is OP or anything. Just saying that statements like, "she isn't useless anymore," aren't relevant. The champion is new and isn't fully understood or figured out. All we know right now is that her CC is really good and she has really strong poke. In the right team comps she's probably a good champion.

She's not going to be allowed at world's though so none of the people who are really good at AP mid have any real incentive to play her.

edit:
And rofl, using LoLking indicates that Syndra's never been played for more than like 3% in all games for most days other than release. So she's not even being played by people, she's just been written off by most as being a bad champion.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#260
Flat armor yellows flat mr blues ad quint and red will serve you for all purposes. There is no champion that does not benefit from any of these runes and indeed these are ideal on many ad carries, toplaners and junglers, makes autoattacking the enemy champions in lane as mid and support even stronger (promoting arguably good/bad habits on some of said mids and supports, although i notice many lower level players are not good at harassing with their autos so probably an overall plus).
It is a bit of a crutch for lasthitting mid, but a decent starter.
Transitioning into mpen reds and ap/movespeed quints for mids and magic dealing tops/junglers/niche supports as a second page guarantees you are able to play all roles with a basic page by level 30.
More niche runes can be asked about at a later time
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