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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 03 2012 13:06 GMT
#561
whyyyyyy am i downloading a 300mb patch oO
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 03 2012 13:08 GMT
#562
On August 03 2012 20:33 Celial wrote:
Divine Soraka: Worth it?

I wouldn't say so. Animations are weird, you still waddle around like you have hooves.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 03 2012 13:12 GMT
#563
On August 03 2012 22:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 20:33 Celial wrote:
Divine Soraka: Worth it?

Sorara is the next champion to get a model update. You saw how the new Ashe models and skins were updated in-game. If you liked what you saw then, you're going to like the Sorara update. ^^


I feel like Moonbear has been on top of his shit this patch cycle.
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 03 2012 13:23 GMT
#564
On August 03 2012 22:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 20:33 Celial wrote:
Divine Soraka: Worth it?

Sorara is the next champion to get a model update. You saw how the new Ashe models and skins were updated in-game. If you liked what you saw then, you're going to like the Sorara update. ^^


If only they'd make her playable again...
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 13:29:22
August 03 2012 13:28 GMT
#565
On August 03 2012 21:29 Cloud9157 wrote:
If someone is so afraid of an aoe comp, pick Janna and ult when they all ult. Ranked team I'm on pretty much relies on strictly aoe with Kennen, Graves, Malphite, Sona, and whatever mid with aoe we want to run. We always make it a priority to ban Janna though.


While it certainly isn't true that AOE wins every game, and there are many alternate strategies, we still shouldn't pretend that massive stacked AOE teamcomps dont still win, and win at the highest levels of play, ALOT.

Its not just an easy noob strat that you will outgrow at 1900 ELO or something...."Press R and Win" teamcomps have done really well (and won) in a tons of elite tourneys.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 13:33 GMT
#566
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 03 2012 13:37 GMT
#567
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 13:42 GMT
#568
On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S
It's your boy Guzma!
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 03 2012 14:33 GMT
#569
Perhaps she could be run Azingy style? Boots -> Double Drings ->Abyssal and Sunfire then maybe a frozen heart?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 14:52:30
August 03 2012 14:46 GMT
#570
On August 03 2012 22:42 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S

Nothing wrong with shoving mid all day, really, though it would make her awkward to play top.

Yeah, it's awkward to play AP damage dealers from the jungle. APmumu needs some kills to get off the ground compared to typical tank-amumu. That might be OK for someone with an assassiny kit (and a good duelist too - blind means other junglers can't 1v1 you easily)
Ugh, what CAN you afford from jungle... Trying to figure out a core that looks effective with ~5-6k of farm.

boots2 (~1k) + sheen + kage (eventual dfg looks not bad for someone who has some assassinlike qualities) + AP items?
Haunting guise looks like a decent pickup. Getting an NLR seems hard on a jungler, or I'd really want me a big ticket AP item like a zhonya or deathcap.

Rylais seems doable, but I'm not convinced its utility is something Diana cares about, though I guess her E is on an awfully long cooldown, and slowing with your R seems good for sticking power for autos.
Also, I'm not sure if her passive triggers rylai (and if so, does it trigger the AOE rylai or the single target one?)

Now that I think about it, you DEFINITELY want CDR. QREQRR seems VERY good, but you'll need some CDR to back it up so you still have the slow up when Q comes off cooldown. Sadly you can't pull an Akali (Q, wait for Q cooldown, RQRR) because the moonlight doesn't last long enough. (3 seconds)

Man, combos are fun.

Going to be trying out jungling with boots2 -> kage+sheen -> Glacial+Rylais (That core I was mentioning of 5-6k worth of shit) -> DFG+Lichbane -> whatever (FH, Abyssal, Zhonya, Deathcap, or big ticket tank items)
Not sure on masteries - 21/0/9, 21/9/0, 9/12/9 all look like valid choices. Runewise I think I'm going to favor AS reds over MPen for the early cleartimes, so AS Armor MR and.... whatever quints.

It occurs to me however, that her base damage on passive is pretty respectable at higherl evels, so Wit's End or Ionic Spark would actually increase her DPS pretty significantly. Will try a build that incorporates that (instead of sheen/Lichbane?) at some point too.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 14:50 GMT
#571
On August 03 2012 23:33 Leonite7 wrote:
Perhaps she could be run Azingy style? Boots -> Double Drings ->Abyssal and Sunfire then maybe a frozen heart?

I think that's a very legitimate possibility. I think the Health portion of Sunfire is a bit wasted (as her shield scales with resists over health), but with her high AoE, pull/slow, and teleport's good sticking power, the combo might be pretty nice.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 14:59 GMT
#572
On August 03 2012 23:46 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:42 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S

Nothing wrong with shoving mid all day, really, though it would make her awkward to play top.

Yeah, it's awkward to play AP damage dealers from the jungle. APmumu needs some kills to get off the ground compared to typical tank-amumu. That might be OK for someone with an assassiny kit (and a good duelist too - blind means other junglers can't 1v1 you easily)
Ugh, what CAN you afford from jungle... Trying to figure out a core that looks effective with ~5-6k of farm.

boots2 (~1k) + sheen + kage (eventual dfg looks not bad for someone who has some assassinlike qualities) + AP items?
Haunting guise looks like a decent pickup. Getting an NLR seems hard on a jungler, or I'd really want me a big ticket AP item like a zhonya or deathcap.

Rylais seems doable, but I'm not convinced its utility is something Diana cares about, though I guess her E is on an awfully long cooldown, and slowing with your R seems good for sticking power for autos.
Also, I'm not sure if her passive triggers rylai (and if so, does it trigger the AOE rylai or the single target one?)

Now that I think about it, you DEFINITELY want CDR. QREQRR seems VERY good, but you'll need some CDR to back it up so you still have the slow up when Q comes off cooldown. Sadly you can't pull an Akali (Q, wait for Q cooldown, RQRR) because the moonlight doesn't last long enough. (3 seconds)

Man, combos are fun.

Going to be trying out jungling with boots2 -> kage+sheen -> Glacial+Rylais (That core I was mentioning of 5-6k worth of shit) -> DFG+Lichbane -> whatever (FH, Abyssal, Zhonya, Deathcap, or big ticket tank items)
Not sure on masteries - 21/0/9, 21/9/0, 9/12/9 all look like valid choices. Runewise I think I'm going to favor AS reds over MPen for the early cleartimes, so AS Armor MR and.... whatever quints.

It occurs to me however, that her base damage on passive is pretty respectable at higherl evels, so Wit's End or Ionic Spark would actually increase her DPS pretty significantly. Will try a build that incorporates that (instead of sheen/Lichbane?) at some point too.

I dunno, I think she doesn't really need Rylai as much. Again, shields better with resists, and she already has pretty good sticking power with E and R, and Q is pretty damaging for anyone far away.

For CDR, maybe going for Athene over Abyssal? I don't know how her mana pool fares, but having bottomless mana never hurts. Maybe a full CDR build like Chalice/Kage -> Athene/FH/DFG? Can throw a Philo -> Shurelya in if necessary.

Of course all of that puts you way over the CDR cap, but I think some of those items aren't bad to theorycraft in.
It's your boy Guzma!
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 03 2012 15:02 GMT
#573
On August 03 2012 23:59 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 23:46 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:42 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S

Nothing wrong with shoving mid all day, really, though it would make her awkward to play top.

Yeah, it's awkward to play AP damage dealers from the jungle. APmumu needs some kills to get off the ground compared to typical tank-amumu. That might be OK for someone with an assassiny kit (and a good duelist too - blind means other junglers can't 1v1 you easily)
Ugh, what CAN you afford from jungle... Trying to figure out a core that looks effective with ~5-6k of farm.

boots2 (~1k) + sheen + kage (eventual dfg looks not bad for someone who has some assassinlike qualities) + AP items?
Haunting guise looks like a decent pickup. Getting an NLR seems hard on a jungler, or I'd really want me a big ticket AP item like a zhonya or deathcap.

Rylais seems doable, but I'm not convinced its utility is something Diana cares about, though I guess her E is on an awfully long cooldown, and slowing with your R seems good for sticking power for autos.
Also, I'm not sure if her passive triggers rylai (and if so, does it trigger the AOE rylai or the single target one?)

Now that I think about it, you DEFINITELY want CDR. QREQRR seems VERY good, but you'll need some CDR to back it up so you still have the slow up when Q comes off cooldown. Sadly you can't pull an Akali (Q, wait for Q cooldown, RQRR) because the moonlight doesn't last long enough. (3 seconds)

Man, combos are fun.

Going to be trying out jungling with boots2 -> kage+sheen -> Glacial+Rylais (That core I was mentioning of 5-6k worth of shit) -> DFG+Lichbane -> whatever (FH, Abyssal, Zhonya, Deathcap, or big ticket tank items)
Not sure on masteries - 21/0/9, 21/9/0, 9/12/9 all look like valid choices. Runewise I think I'm going to favor AS reds over MPen for the early cleartimes, so AS Armor MR and.... whatever quints.

It occurs to me however, that her base damage on passive is pretty respectable at higherl evels, so Wit's End or Ionic Spark would actually increase her DPS pretty significantly. Will try a build that incorporates that (instead of sheen/Lichbane?) at some point too.

I dunno, I think she doesn't really need Rylai as much. Again, shields better with resists, and she already has pretty good sticking power with E and R, and Q is pretty damaging for anyone far away.

For CDR, maybe going for Athene over Abyssal? I don't know how her mana pool fares, but having bottomless mana never hurts. Maybe a full CDR build like Chalice/Kage -> Athene/FH/DFG? Can throw a Philo -> Shurelya in if necessary.

Of course all of that puts you way over the CDR cap, but I think some of those items aren't bad to theorycraft in.


Perhaps the Smash Nunu build could be of use here? Athene/FH/WotA? Would give her CDR, resists and AP, stick in a wits and abyssal after and that would be a damn good build.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 03 2012 15:08 GMT
#574
the last two junglers that we thought were going to be "tanky ap" junglers were both found to be basically completely unviable when built in that fashion from the jungle

remember them? maokai and sejuani - both were advocates of roa, abyssal, zonya, tanky ap items. now when you look at their builds, they're pretty much just tanky support - shurelia, aegis, FH, randuin.

i just feel that the cost of ap items combined with the disjointed way in which you get farm in the jungle (usually 300-600 at a time, not 1600 at a time) prohibits building expensive items that don't directly help you in the jungle. time will tell though!
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 15:12 GMT
#575
On August 04 2012 00:08 gtrsrs wrote:
the last two junglers that we thought were going to be "tanky ap" junglers were both found to be basically completely unviable when built in that fashion from the jungle

remember them? maokai and sejuani - both were advocates of roa, abyssal, zonya, tanky ap items. now when you look at their builds, they're pretty much just tanky support - shurelia, aegis, FH, randuin.

i just feel that the cost of ap items combined with the disjointed way in which you get farm in the jungle (usually 300-600 at a time, not 1600 at a time) prohibits building expensive items that don't directly help you in the jungle. time will tell though!

Naut says hi, I'll occasionally build him RoA/Abyssal/Wits/FH when I get fed, hilarious when you can chunk everything in the game while being unkillable.

She might be able to take advantage of mid-game AP items like Haunting Guise rather than go for NLR or the like, but I have no idea. I'll probably play around with her a whole bunch before calling any one thing better than another.
It's your boy Guzma!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 03 2012 15:15 GMT
#576
roa and abyssal are not core nor optimal on naut either, though
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 15:29:14
August 03 2012 15:21 GMT
#577
I know, just fun builds.

I dunno, I think there's enough AP items you can afford out of jungle. DRings are obvious, we talked a bit about HGuise, Kage's is nice, Fiendish Codex isn't a bad choice for AP/CDR if you're going towards Athene's, Sheen might be nice depending on how many procs she can get off. Not to mention CDR items themselves, depending on how well she does with it as a stat.

You really only see big ticket AP items on most people anymore, but I think there's room for these middle items on a real AP jungler that isn't Fiddle.

Edit: I'd argue that if you jungle the Smash Nunu build, he's a tanky AP jungler, but that's nitpick-y.
It's your boy Guzma!
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
August 03 2012 15:41 GMT
#578
The new Q system really sucks... It's not like it takes forever to get a game, but it takes a hell of a lot longer than before. Couple that with champ select dodges, maybe get a game going in 10 / 15 min if you're lucky
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 03 2012 15:52 GMT
#579
when are you supposed to go gp10 as caster?
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
August 03 2012 15:56 GMT
#580
So I wish they would remove taunts+laughs when you ignore someone. Teemo players are tools. Thats right, get called out Teemos.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
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