[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 29

On August 03 2012 20:33 Celial wrote:
Divine Soraka: Worth it?

On August 03 2012 22:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:

Sorara is the next champion to get a model update. You saw how the new Ashe models and skins were updated in-game. If you liked what you saw then, you're going to like the Sorara update. ^^

On August 03 2012 22:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:

Sorara is the next champion to get a model update. You saw how the new Ashe models and skins were updated in-game. If you liked what you saw then, you're going to like the Sorara update. ^^

On August 03 2012 21:29 Cloud9157 wrote:
If someone is so afraid of an aoe comp, pick Janna and ult when they all ult. Ranked team I'm on pretty much relies on strictly aoe with Kennen, Graves, Malphite, Sona, and whatever mid with aoe we want to run. We always make it a priority to ban Janna though.

On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.

On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

On August 03 2012 22:42 Requizen wrote:

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S

On August 03 2012 23:33 Leonite7 wrote:
Perhaps she could be run Azingy style? Boots -> Double Drings ->Abyssal and Sunfire then maybe a frozen heart?

On August 03 2012 23:46 sylverfyre wrote:

Nothing wrong with shoving mid all day, really, though it would make her awkward to play top.

Yeah, it's awkward to play AP damage dealers from the jungle. APmumu needs some kills to get off the ground compared to typical tank-amumu. That might be OK for someone with an assassiny kit (and a good duelist too - blind means other junglers can't 1v1 you easily)
Ugh, what CAN you afford from jungle... Trying to figure out a core that looks effective with ~5-6k of farm.

boots2 (~1k) + sheen + kage (eventual dfg looks not bad for someone who has some assassinlike qualities) + AP items?
Haunting guise looks like a decent pickup. Getting an NLR seems hard on a jungler, or I'd really want me a big ticket AP item like a zhonya or deathcap.

Rylais seems doable, but I'm not convinced its utility is something Diana cares about, though I guess her E is on an awfully long cooldown, and slowing with your R seems good for sticking power for autos.
Also, I'm not sure if her passive triggers rylai (and if so, does it trigger the AOE rylai or the single target one?)

Now that I think about it, you DEFINITELY want CDR. QREQRR seems VERY good, but you'll need some CDR to back it up so you still have the slow up when Q comes off cooldown. Sadly you can't pull an Akali (Q, wait for Q cooldown, RQRR) because the moonlight doesn't last long enough. (3 seconds)

Man, combos are fun.

Going to be trying out jungling with boots2 -> kage+sheen -> Glacial+Rylais (That core I was mentioning of 5-6k worth of shit) -> DFG+Lichbane -> whatever (FH, Abyssal, Zhonya, Deathcap, or big ticket tank items)
Not sure on masteries - 21/0/9, 21/9/0, 9/12/9 all look like valid choices. Runewise I think I'm going to favor AS reds over MPen for the early cleartimes, so AS Armor MR and.... whatever quints.

It occurs to me however, that her base damage on passive is pretty respectable at higherl evels, so Wit's End or Ionic Spark would actually increase her DPS pretty significantly. Will try a build that incorporates that (instead of sheen/Lichbane?) at some point too.

On August 03 2012 23:59 Requizen wrote:

I dunno, I think she doesn't really need Rylai as much. Again, shields better with resists, and she already has pretty good sticking power with E and R, and Q is pretty damaging for anyone far away.

For CDR, maybe going for Athene over Abyssal? I don't know how her mana pool fares, but having bottomless mana never hurts. Maybe a full CDR build like Chalice/Kage -> Athene/FH/DFG? Can throw a Philo -> Shurelya in if necessary.

Of course all of that puts you way over the CDR cap, but I think some of those items aren't bad to theorycraft in.

On August 04 2012 00:08 gtrsrs wrote:
the last two junglers that we thought were going to be "tanky ap" junglers were both found to be basically completely unviable when built in that fashion from the jungle

remember them? maokai and sejuani - both were advocates of roa, abyssal, zonya, tanky ap items. now when you look at their builds, they're pretty much just tanky support - shurelia, aegis, FH, randuin.

i just feel that the cost of ap items combined with the disjointed way in which you get farm in the jungle (usually 300-600 at a time, not 1600 at a time) prohibits building expensive items that don't directly help you in the jungle. time will tell though!