• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:44
CEST 15:44
KST 22:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 226ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon405.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes38Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)102
StarCraft 2
General
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL22 General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BW General Discussion
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3486 users

[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 29

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 27 28 29 30 31 183 Next
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 03 2012 13:06 GMT
#561
whyyyyyy am i downloading a 300mb patch oO
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 03 2012 13:08 GMT
#562
On August 03 2012 20:33 Celial wrote:
Divine Soraka: Worth it?

I wouldn't say so. Animations are weird, you still waddle around like you have hooves.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 03 2012 13:12 GMT
#563
On August 03 2012 22:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 20:33 Celial wrote:
Divine Soraka: Worth it?

Sorara is the next champion to get a model update. You saw how the new Ashe models and skins were updated in-game. If you liked what you saw then, you're going to like the Sorara update. ^^


I feel like Moonbear has been on top of his shit this patch cycle.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 03 2012 13:23 GMT
#564
On August 03 2012 22:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 20:33 Celial wrote:
Divine Soraka: Worth it?

Sorara is the next champion to get a model update. You saw how the new Ashe models and skins were updated in-game. If you liked what you saw then, you're going to like the Sorara update. ^^


If only they'd make her playable again...
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 13:29:22
August 03 2012 13:28 GMT
#565
On August 03 2012 21:29 Cloud9157 wrote:
If someone is so afraid of an aoe comp, pick Janna and ult when they all ult. Ranked team I'm on pretty much relies on strictly aoe with Kennen, Graves, Malphite, Sona, and whatever mid with aoe we want to run. We always make it a priority to ban Janna though.


While it certainly isn't true that AOE wins every game, and there are many alternate strategies, we still shouldn't pretend that massive stacked AOE teamcomps dont still win, and win at the highest levels of play, ALOT.

Its not just an easy noob strat that you will outgrow at 1900 ELO or something...."Press R and Win" teamcomps have done really well (and won) in a tons of elite tourneys.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 13:33 GMT
#566
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 03 2012 13:37 GMT
#567
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 13:42 GMT
#568
On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S
It's your boy Guzma!
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 03 2012 14:33 GMT
#569
Perhaps she could be run Azingy style? Boots -> Double Drings ->Abyssal and Sunfire then maybe a frozen heart?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 14:52:30
August 03 2012 14:46 GMT
#570
On August 03 2012 22:42 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S

Nothing wrong with shoving mid all day, really, though it would make her awkward to play top.

Yeah, it's awkward to play AP damage dealers from the jungle. APmumu needs some kills to get off the ground compared to typical tank-amumu. That might be OK for someone with an assassiny kit (and a good duelist too - blind means other junglers can't 1v1 you easily)
Ugh, what CAN you afford from jungle... Trying to figure out a core that looks effective with ~5-6k of farm.

boots2 (~1k) + sheen + kage (eventual dfg looks not bad for someone who has some assassinlike qualities) + AP items?
Haunting guise looks like a decent pickup. Getting an NLR seems hard on a jungler, or I'd really want me a big ticket AP item like a zhonya or deathcap.

Rylais seems doable, but I'm not convinced its utility is something Diana cares about, though I guess her E is on an awfully long cooldown, and slowing with your R seems good for sticking power for autos.
Also, I'm not sure if her passive triggers rylai (and if so, does it trigger the AOE rylai or the single target one?)

Now that I think about it, you DEFINITELY want CDR. QREQRR seems VERY good, but you'll need some CDR to back it up so you still have the slow up when Q comes off cooldown. Sadly you can't pull an Akali (Q, wait for Q cooldown, RQRR) because the moonlight doesn't last long enough. (3 seconds)

Man, combos are fun.

Going to be trying out jungling with boots2 -> kage+sheen -> Glacial+Rylais (That core I was mentioning of 5-6k worth of shit) -> DFG+Lichbane -> whatever (FH, Abyssal, Zhonya, Deathcap, or big ticket tank items)
Not sure on masteries - 21/0/9, 21/9/0, 9/12/9 all look like valid choices. Runewise I think I'm going to favor AS reds over MPen for the early cleartimes, so AS Armor MR and.... whatever quints.

It occurs to me however, that her base damage on passive is pretty respectable at higherl evels, so Wit's End or Ionic Spark would actually increase her DPS pretty significantly. Will try a build that incorporates that (instead of sheen/Lichbane?) at some point too.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 14:50 GMT
#571
On August 03 2012 23:33 Leonite7 wrote:
Perhaps she could be run Azingy style? Boots -> Double Drings ->Abyssal and Sunfire then maybe a frozen heart?

I think that's a very legitimate possibility. I think the Health portion of Sunfire is a bit wasted (as her shield scales with resists over health), but with her high AoE, pull/slow, and teleport's good sticking power, the combo might be pretty nice.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 14:59 GMT
#572
On August 03 2012 23:46 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 22:42 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S

Nothing wrong with shoving mid all day, really, though it would make her awkward to play top.

Yeah, it's awkward to play AP damage dealers from the jungle. APmumu needs some kills to get off the ground compared to typical tank-amumu. That might be OK for someone with an assassiny kit (and a good duelist too - blind means other junglers can't 1v1 you easily)
Ugh, what CAN you afford from jungle... Trying to figure out a core that looks effective with ~5-6k of farm.

boots2 (~1k) + sheen + kage (eventual dfg looks not bad for someone who has some assassinlike qualities) + AP items?
Haunting guise looks like a decent pickup. Getting an NLR seems hard on a jungler, or I'd really want me a big ticket AP item like a zhonya or deathcap.

Rylais seems doable, but I'm not convinced its utility is something Diana cares about, though I guess her E is on an awfully long cooldown, and slowing with your R seems good for sticking power for autos.
Also, I'm not sure if her passive triggers rylai (and if so, does it trigger the AOE rylai or the single target one?)

Now that I think about it, you DEFINITELY want CDR. QREQRR seems VERY good, but you'll need some CDR to back it up so you still have the slow up when Q comes off cooldown. Sadly you can't pull an Akali (Q, wait for Q cooldown, RQRR) because the moonlight doesn't last long enough. (3 seconds)

Man, combos are fun.

Going to be trying out jungling with boots2 -> kage+sheen -> Glacial+Rylais (That core I was mentioning of 5-6k worth of shit) -> DFG+Lichbane -> whatever (FH, Abyssal, Zhonya, Deathcap, or big ticket tank items)
Not sure on masteries - 21/0/9, 21/9/0, 9/12/9 all look like valid choices. Runewise I think I'm going to favor AS reds over MPen for the early cleartimes, so AS Armor MR and.... whatever quints.

It occurs to me however, that her base damage on passive is pretty respectable at higherl evels, so Wit's End or Ionic Spark would actually increase her DPS pretty significantly. Will try a build that incorporates that (instead of sheen/Lichbane?) at some point too.

I dunno, I think she doesn't really need Rylai as much. Again, shields better with resists, and she already has pretty good sticking power with E and R, and Q is pretty damaging for anyone far away.

For CDR, maybe going for Athene over Abyssal? I don't know how her mana pool fares, but having bottomless mana never hurts. Maybe a full CDR build like Chalice/Kage -> Athene/FH/DFG? Can throw a Philo -> Shurelya in if necessary.

Of course all of that puts you way over the CDR cap, but I think some of those items aren't bad to theorycraft in.
It's your boy Guzma!
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 03 2012 15:02 GMT
#573
On August 03 2012 23:59 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 23:46 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:42 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:41 Gahlo wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:11 Alaric wrote:
Diana's dark valkyrie skin's model so cool. I don't think I'd run her tho, unless her mobility or the way you can build her allow survivability.
I also tought Ryze had the worst portrait (far ahead of Morde) since they redid his splash art. Then we hopped into a coop for quick daily win and Cass bot happened...

The builds I've seen people throw around most often buil ROA, Rylais, and resist boosting AP items.

I'm not convinced. Looking at her kit, it looks like it has a lot of function similar to Jax that I'd want to try out a jax-like build based on triforce & gunblade. It's not like AD items are a waste when you get some free AS from passive.

Though, depending on the shield ability, you might want more resist-focused items and less HP-focused items (nixing ROA & Rylais). Doubly so if lifesteal/spellvamp turns out to be a preferred itemization choice.

To be honest, ROA Rylais is a poor combination of items - you get an OK amount of AP, some mana, and a butt-ton of HP - comparable HP to warmogs. There is probably a better way to spend your first 6k gold. Maybe one or the other of ROA & Rylais, but you shouldn't be looking to build both of them without something else in between.

I don't know if I'd go TF Gunblade. The AD is somewhat useful for your autos, but from what I've seen off of the PBE, her abilities and AP scaling are kind of nuts. I'd say if you want to abuse your autos, Lichbane is probably the way to go.

That said, I'm more biased towards tankier champs, so I'm still advocating tanky AP items starting with Abyssal and maybe getting FH//Zhonya/Randuins if the AD is getting out of control. I generally don't play squishy assassin champs, so I don't think I'll build her that way, but I can see her doing well with them somewhat.


I plan on trying her mid at some point as a tanky-assassin style. Athene's, Abyssal, Zhonya. Idk how well it will work, but getting the farm necessary for those kinds of items from jungle seems difficult.

Yeah, I saw some vids of her mid, playing Akali style. I still don't know if I like it, since she really lacks an escape that most assassins utilize (Talon ult, Kass ult, Akali Smoke Bomb, etc). Still, her burst seems good, and she can shield a bit of harass and push well. I fear her passive may make her too hard of a pusher, but she probably can do well roaming with her Pull in thingy.

Abyssal out of the jungle isn't unheard of, it's pretty normal to see on Amumus, for instance. Zhonya is bloody expensive, which is why I'm thinking Glacial is a good route, utilitzing the CDR on her already short CDs. I'll probably run her something like Boots -> Philo/Kage -> Abyssal/Glacial -> Lichbane(or Chalice)/FH. Or maybe I'll wait for some pros to jungle her and see what works :S

Nothing wrong with shoving mid all day, really, though it would make her awkward to play top.

Yeah, it's awkward to play AP damage dealers from the jungle. APmumu needs some kills to get off the ground compared to typical tank-amumu. That might be OK for someone with an assassiny kit (and a good duelist too - blind means other junglers can't 1v1 you easily)
Ugh, what CAN you afford from jungle... Trying to figure out a core that looks effective with ~5-6k of farm.

boots2 (~1k) + sheen + kage (eventual dfg looks not bad for someone who has some assassinlike qualities) + AP items?
Haunting guise looks like a decent pickup. Getting an NLR seems hard on a jungler, or I'd really want me a big ticket AP item like a zhonya or deathcap.

Rylais seems doable, but I'm not convinced its utility is something Diana cares about, though I guess her E is on an awfully long cooldown, and slowing with your R seems good for sticking power for autos.
Also, I'm not sure if her passive triggers rylai (and if so, does it trigger the AOE rylai or the single target one?)

Now that I think about it, you DEFINITELY want CDR. QREQRR seems VERY good, but you'll need some CDR to back it up so you still have the slow up when Q comes off cooldown. Sadly you can't pull an Akali (Q, wait for Q cooldown, RQRR) because the moonlight doesn't last long enough. (3 seconds)

Man, combos are fun.

Going to be trying out jungling with boots2 -> kage+sheen -> Glacial+Rylais (That core I was mentioning of 5-6k worth of shit) -> DFG+Lichbane -> whatever (FH, Abyssal, Zhonya, Deathcap, or big ticket tank items)
Not sure on masteries - 21/0/9, 21/9/0, 9/12/9 all look like valid choices. Runewise I think I'm going to favor AS reds over MPen for the early cleartimes, so AS Armor MR and.... whatever quints.

It occurs to me however, that her base damage on passive is pretty respectable at higherl evels, so Wit's End or Ionic Spark would actually increase her DPS pretty significantly. Will try a build that incorporates that (instead of sheen/Lichbane?) at some point too.

I dunno, I think she doesn't really need Rylai as much. Again, shields better with resists, and she already has pretty good sticking power with E and R, and Q is pretty damaging for anyone far away.

For CDR, maybe going for Athene over Abyssal? I don't know how her mana pool fares, but having bottomless mana never hurts. Maybe a full CDR build like Chalice/Kage -> Athene/FH/DFG? Can throw a Philo -> Shurelya in if necessary.

Of course all of that puts you way over the CDR cap, but I think some of those items aren't bad to theorycraft in.


Perhaps the Smash Nunu build could be of use here? Athene/FH/WotA? Would give her CDR, resists and AP, stick in a wits and abyssal after and that would be a damn good build.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 03 2012 15:08 GMT
#574
the last two junglers that we thought were going to be "tanky ap" junglers were both found to be basically completely unviable when built in that fashion from the jungle

remember them? maokai and sejuani - both were advocates of roa, abyssal, zonya, tanky ap items. now when you look at their builds, they're pretty much just tanky support - shurelia, aegis, FH, randuin.

i just feel that the cost of ap items combined with the disjointed way in which you get farm in the jungle (usually 300-600 at a time, not 1600 at a time) prohibits building expensive items that don't directly help you in the jungle. time will tell though!
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 03 2012 15:12 GMT
#575
On August 04 2012 00:08 gtrsrs wrote:
the last two junglers that we thought were going to be "tanky ap" junglers were both found to be basically completely unviable when built in that fashion from the jungle

remember them? maokai and sejuani - both were advocates of roa, abyssal, zonya, tanky ap items. now when you look at their builds, they're pretty much just tanky support - shurelia, aegis, FH, randuin.

i just feel that the cost of ap items combined with the disjointed way in which you get farm in the jungle (usually 300-600 at a time, not 1600 at a time) prohibits building expensive items that don't directly help you in the jungle. time will tell though!

Naut says hi, I'll occasionally build him RoA/Abyssal/Wits/FH when I get fed, hilarious when you can chunk everything in the game while being unkillable.

She might be able to take advantage of mid-game AP items like Haunting Guise rather than go for NLR or the like, but I have no idea. I'll probably play around with her a whole bunch before calling any one thing better than another.
It's your boy Guzma!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 03 2012 15:15 GMT
#576
roa and abyssal are not core nor optimal on naut either, though
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 15:29:14
August 03 2012 15:21 GMT
#577
I know, just fun builds.

I dunno, I think there's enough AP items you can afford out of jungle. DRings are obvious, we talked a bit about HGuise, Kage's is nice, Fiendish Codex isn't a bad choice for AP/CDR if you're going towards Athene's, Sheen might be nice depending on how many procs she can get off. Not to mention CDR items themselves, depending on how well she does with it as a stat.

You really only see big ticket AP items on most people anymore, but I think there's room for these middle items on a real AP jungler that isn't Fiddle.

Edit: I'd argue that if you jungle the Smash Nunu build, he's a tanky AP jungler, but that's nitpick-y.
It's your boy Guzma!
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
August 03 2012 15:41 GMT
#578
The new Q system really sucks... It's not like it takes forever to get a game, but it takes a hell of a lot longer than before. Couple that with champ select dodges, maybe get a game going in 10 / 15 min if you're lucky
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 03 2012 15:52 GMT
#579
when are you supposed to go gp10 as caster?
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
August 03 2012 15:56 GMT
#580
So I wish they would remove taunts+laughs when you ignore someone. Teemo players are tools. Thats right, get called out Teemos.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Prev 1 27 28 29 30 31 183 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Weekly
11:00
WardiTV Mondays #94
IntoTheiNu 1674
WardiTV823
TKL 169
Rex159
IndyStarCraft 145
CranKy Ducklings65
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko471
TKL 165
Rex 163
IndyStarCraft 145
RushiSC 60
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38468
Shuttle 2788
Jaedong 1583
Hyuk 1210
EffOrt 1082
Larva 524
Soulkey 484
Mini 386
firebathero 356
Snow 305
[ Show more ]
BeSt 298
ZerO 199
Rush 161
Pusan 119
Movie 109
sorry 94
hero 78
Sea.KH 74
Sharp 72
[sc1f]eonzerg 60
Free 59
soO 55
ToSsGirL 51
Hyun 35
910 31
Barracks 27
Icarus 26
Noble 20
Hm[arnc] 17
Rock 16
scan(afreeca) 16
Bale 15
GoRush 11
zelot 10
Terrorterran 9
Dota 2
Gorgc7757
qojqva1094
Dendi912
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1785
byalli229
kRYSTAL_135
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King71
Other Games
singsing2008
B2W.Neo483
Hui .157
ToD137
Liquid`VortiX95
QueenE54
ZerO(Twitch)16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick23490
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV305
League of Legends
• Nemesis2461
• TFBlade864
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
10h 16m
The PondCast
20h 16m
Replay Cast
1d 19h
CrankTV Team League
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
4 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.