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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 08 2012 18:46 GMT
#641
On June 09 2012 03:36 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 03:35 spinesheath wrote:
On June 09 2012 03:22 BlackMagister wrote:
Just from picks seems like M5 is going to win even if they weren't M5
(M5) Malphite, Morg, Kog, Soraka, Shen
vs
(Salad Supreme) Noct, Ashe, Janna, Darius, Cassio
http://www.twitch.tv/ipllol

M5's composition is terribly reliant on Kog not messing up a single time, Salad's comp is extremely high DPS together with Ashe Arrow. Both can win, depends on skill.

shen morgana soraka? he can mess up all he wants, he won't die.

And while they put all their shields on Kog, they all die to that insane DPS.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 08 2012 18:46 GMT
#642
On June 09 2012 02:45 jacosajh wrote:
I find Draven's E and Ult to be severely disappointing.

His Ult doesn't do enough damage and takes too much manage to be really that useful in a teamfight. I resorted to using it to snipe low-health champs after a teamfight.


Which is why I think they really hit it on the nail with his character: just look at the phrase in his lore where it says he started his execution shows by simply making the condemned run then snipe him with an axe. He has by far the best dps while chasing of any AD carry, his kit makes him really good at running around, his passive makes people who thought they managed to evade him realize they're doomed (actually I don't like it that much gameplay-wise, because of Darius' passive), and his ult allows him to let people run a good while before he snipes them regardless.
He's got a lot of swag going to him and his kit goes very well with his lore, or at least that's my opinion. So using his ult for clean-up, WR to flee then kill the dude chasing you, snipe someone who fled previously at the end of a teamfight... that's how it was designed to be used, I believe.

Also, if you hit both swings, the damage is actually more than respectable, especially considering the global range. Dunno if I already mentioned it, but I'm thinking about the tricks one will be able to do once he'll have mastered the slowing distance, like snipe nashor with an instant double hit for 1k+ physical damage (before armor).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 08 2012 18:47 GMT
#643
Holy balls Exo, I WISH I got anything close to that kind of internet. On a good day at my house, I get 5 down, 1 up ~_~
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Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
June 08 2012 18:48 GMT
#644
On June 09 2012 03:44 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 03:42 Perplex wrote:
casters talk about whether or not Darius ult goes through morgana shield.. 2gud.

I thought they were talking about whether his pull went through morganna shield. Then they talked about whether his crippling strike slow would apply.


They did, and then they went on about his ult and one of the guys said "yeah it's true damage I think it goes through" and the other one said "I think so but I'm not sure"
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 08 2012 18:48 GMT
#645
That Ashe death was so dumb and pointless.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 08 2012 18:50 GMT
#646
On June 09 2012 03:48 Alaric wrote:
That Ashe death was so dumb and pointless.

Same with Cass (hi there Morg do you have Q up again? Oh btw I whiffed my ult) and Janna.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 08 2012 18:50 GMT
#647
On June 09 2012 03:46 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 03:36 Mogwai wrote:
On June 09 2012 03:35 spinesheath wrote:
On June 09 2012 03:22 BlackMagister wrote:
Just from picks seems like M5 is going to win even if they weren't M5
(M5) Malphite, Morg, Kog, Soraka, Shen
vs
(Salad Supreme) Noct, Ashe, Janna, Darius, Cassio
http://www.twitch.tv/ipllol

M5's composition is terribly reliant on Kog not messing up a single time, Salad's comp is extremely high DPS together with Ashe Arrow. Both can win, depends on skill.

shen morgana soraka? he can mess up all he wants, he won't die.

And while they put all their shields on Kog, they all die to that insane DPS.

from what initiation? how are you going to get a ton of damage through morg/malphite/shen disruption?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 08 2012 18:54 GMT
#648
On June 09 2012 03:50 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 03:46 spinesheath wrote:
On June 09 2012 03:36 Mogwai wrote:
On June 09 2012 03:35 spinesheath wrote:
On June 09 2012 03:22 BlackMagister wrote:
Just from picks seems like M5 is going to win even if they weren't M5
(M5) Malphite, Morg, Kog, Soraka, Shen
vs
(Salad Supreme) Noct, Ashe, Janna, Darius, Cassio
http://www.twitch.tv/ipllol

M5's composition is terribly reliant on Kog not messing up a single time, Salad's comp is extremely high DPS together with Ashe Arrow. Both can win, depends on skill.

shen morgana soraka? he can mess up all he wants, he won't die.

And while they put all their shields on Kog, they all die to that insane DPS.

from what initiation? how are you going to get a ton of damage through morg/malphite/shen disruption?

I am assuming Kog messing up here. If they can still fight perfectly fine it wasn't a mess up.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
June 08 2012 18:54 GMT
#649
On June 09 2012 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Holy balls Exo, I WISH I got anything close to that kind of internet. On a good day at my house, I get 5 down, 1 up ~_~

Netherlands baby , we are the mainport of Europe and also with internet(only sweden got better hacks then us so they beat us)
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 19:00:27
June 08 2012 18:58 GMT
#650
On June 09 2012 03:42 ExoFun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 01:59 Soloside wrote:
On June 08 2012 23:53 ExoFun wrote:
Just bought this PC.... can i play and stream with it in high quality?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


you should be able to stream.... I stream at 1080 without any issues with i5-2500k

i'd watch your power supply though, 500W seems to be cutting it really close.

Still got a 620W in mine old system.... i always can that if i am gonna replace it.

Voeding: Cooler Master Real PowerPro ,620Watt, and mine provider is also fine i think..

[image loading]


A decent 400W unit (i.e. a Corsair CX430 V2 would be sufficient, so a CX500 V2 would definitely be sufficient) would run that. Both the i5 2500k and HD 7850 are more power efficient than previous generations.

A decently overclocked i5 2500k + HD 7850 system shouldn't use more than 350W at full load (that is working as hard as it can be).

http://www.techspot.com/review/504-amd-radeon-7870-7850/page12.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5625/amd-radeon-hd-7870-ghz-edition-radeon-hd-7850-review-rounding-out-southern-islands/17

That test system even uses an i7 3960x which uses more power than an i5 2500k.

So unless that old 620W PSU you have is complete crap, it should be capable of providing even that ~350W you need.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 19:03:48
June 08 2012 19:01 GMT
#651
Good champ picks by M5, getting both Kog'maw and his soft counter Malph (deep dive + constant AS reduction), the fact that they got Morgana and Shen as well means Kog is untouchable. All Salad had for diving power was Nocturne, who wouldn't be able to live long enough for his only CC to go off (assuming it didn't get black shielded) if he tried to initiate.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
June 08 2012 19:02 GMT
#652
On June 09 2012 03:58 jacosajh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 03:42 ExoFun wrote:
On June 09 2012 01:59 Soloside wrote:
On June 08 2012 23:53 ExoFun wrote:
Just bought this PC.... can i play and stream with it in high quality?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


you should be able to stream.... I stream at 1080 without any issues with i5-2500k

i'd watch your power supply though, 500W seems to be cutting it really close.

Still got a 620W in mine old system.... i always can that if i am gonna replace it.

Voeding: Cooler Master Real PowerPro ,620Watt, and mine provider is also fine i think..

[image loading]


A decent 400W unit (i.e. a Corsair CX430 V2 would be sufficient, so a CX500 V2 would definitely be sufficient) would run that. Both the i5 2500k and HD 7850 are more power efficient than previous generations.

A decently overclocked i5 2500k + HD 7850 system shouldn't use more than 350W at full load (that is working as hard as it can be).

http://www.techspot.com/review/504-amd-radeon-7870-7850/page12.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5625/amd-radeon-hd-7870-ghz-edition-radeon-hd-7850-review-rounding-out-southern-islands/17

That test system even uses an i7 3960x which uses more power than an i5 2500k.

So unless that old 620W PSU you have is complete crap, it should be capable of providing even that ~350W you need.


Awesome thx for the advise!
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
June 08 2012 19:14 GMT
#653
Malphite is a pretty good pick against Darius as well.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 19:31:55
June 08 2012 19:24 GMT
#654
I hate listening to casters...

hur dur, all u need vs. Darius is armor, Malphite got dis... zzzz. stop talking about a champion you clearly don't understand guys, jesus.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 19:34:38
June 08 2012 19:33 GMT
#655
Man, Ziggs is just abusive in lane. I don't see him nearly enough for how good he actually is.

On June 09 2012 04:24 Mogwai wrote:
I hate listening to casters...

hur dur, all u need vs. Darius is armor, Malphite got dis... zzzz. stop talking about a champion you clearly don't understand guys, jesus.


Are you upset that they're smack talking your new favorite dunker?

But yeah, they're not the best casters I've ever heard.
It's your boy Guzma!
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 08 2012 19:35 GMT
#656
On June 09 2012 04:24 Mogwai wrote:
I hate listening to casters...

hur dur, all u need vs. Darius is armor, Malphite got dis... zzzz. stop talking about a champion you clearly don't understand guys, jesus.

If they stopped talking about things they have no idea about, they'd stop talking.

There's a reason every single person I know mutes LoL casters
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 08 2012 19:38 GMT
#657
On June 09 2012 04:33 Requizen wrote:
Man, Ziggs is just abusive in lane. I don't see him nearly enough for how good he actually is.


And he's even worse during standoff and fights in closed areas like near the drake. Obnoxious when your team has no diving power or lacks the coordination to burst him before he runs (soloQ).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 20:08:05
June 08 2012 20:04 GMT
#658
I think my most humiliating defeat in lane as Ryze was to a Ziggs who grabbed an early blue buff and proceeded to zone me (that passive, ugh), so it's vaguely reassuring to see Alex go to Ziggs as a Ryze counter. Amazing blind steals on the enemy blue at least twice with his ult, and good comboing it with Malph/Ashe ults or a Shen taunt for ganks/counterganks at top/bot.

And yeah, Mogwai covered it, but Darien's Malph had an unhappy time in top-lane against Darius with the magic damage from the passive (the DoT part is extra-annoying for Malph as it delays his own passive refreshing) and the true damage on the ult.
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
June 08 2012 20:11 GMT
#659
On June 09 2012 02:56 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 02:05 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
On June 08 2012 20:34 zulu_nation8 wrote:
rhavanna is inventor of all things nashor's tooth


This crushes my dreams of inventing something original. I've been building nashor's tooth instead of PD on Ashe for forever.


I hate nashor's tooth with a passion. As much as anybody I'd love to be a unique flower like caller was with speed Garen and trinity Morde but I draw the line at considering NT a good item on any champ anywhere for any purpose.

Nashor's ashe especially just makes me go WTF.


Yeah, it's not great. I only do it on arranged 5s for funsies. The 25% CDR on Hawk and the arrow is just too fun to let the opportunity pass when you know you'll win anyway.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 08 2012 20:18 GMT
#660
The only design perspective of Draven that sorta irks me, is that as a champion it feels as if Riot decided to design champion mechanics first, then incorporate everything else later (such as lore, looks, etc etc). That's why draven has unique abilities/skills but feels sort of flat as a character.
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