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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
May 03 2012 19:36 GMT
#701
Smite flash annie, lol. Good mentions: Poppy, leblanc, AP mumu. (never get away!)
aka Teutonica
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 19:38 GMT
#702
Actually, now that I think about it, Kat might be the strongest champ for this. Or akali.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 03 2012 19:39 GMT
#703
Also, with regard to the healers, they need to have some way to get easy assists off their carry, since being able to get assists will give them a TON of gold and levels when the enemy healers are getting gibbed left and right.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 03 2012 19:41 GMT
#704
since we're doing an absurd scenario, I think it's fair to assume that people can infinitely spam heal so it's really about 1shotting vs. 4 heal spammer teams as far as I can tell. Though 2 smites might be stronger than 1 in the initial gold/xp grab phase of the game.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 03 2012 19:43 GMT
#705
...wait, it just occurred to me that it's probably safe to make an account on the test realm and fuck around with the hacks there. Why not put these 5v5 infinite-CDR summoner theories to the test?
:3
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 03 2012 19:44 GMT
#706
On May 04 2012 04:41 Mogwai wrote:
since we're doing an absurd scenario, I think it's fair to assume that people can infinitely spam heal so it's really about 1shotting vs. 4 heal spammer teams as far as I can tell. Though 2 smites might be stronger than 1 in the initial gold/xp grab phase of the game.

Realistically, the only major gain of having a 2nd smite is for buffs. The gold gain increase from being able to snipe 1-2 more jungle camps every minute when you're already getting 3 lanes worth of creeps every 30 seconds is fairly small.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 19:44 GMT
#707
On May 04 2012 04:43 Eiii wrote:
...wait, it just occurred to me that it's probably safe to make an account on the test realm and fuck around with the hacks there. Why not put these 5v5 infinite-CDR summoner theories to the test?

Because then someone would be right. And that would ruin the whole theorycrafting thing.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 03 2012 19:46 GMT
#708
On May 04 2012 04:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 04:43 Eiii wrote:
...wait, it just occurred to me that it's probably safe to make an account on the test realm and fuck around with the hacks there. Why not put these 5v5 infinite-CDR summoner theories to the test?

Because then someone would be right. And that would ruin the whole theorycrafting thing.

Not to mention Riot looks down on you replicating the hacks.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 03 2012 19:49 GMT
#709
On May 04 2012 04:46 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 04:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:43 Eiii wrote:
...wait, it just occurred to me that it's probably safe to make an account on the test realm and fuck around with the hacks there. Why not put these 5v5 infinite-CDR summoner theories to the test?

Because then someone would be right. And that would ruin the whole theorycrafting thing.

Not to mention Riot looks down on you replicating the hacks.


Well, clearly. But if you sign up for the PBE through a VPN, play through that VPN... Riot hasn't shown that they've ever implemented some sort of hardware banning, so hiding your IP should be safe. Hell, I'm on a major university's network so an IP ban wouldn't even be viable if Riot were to ever choose to do something like that! And it's hard to argue that messing around in customs where everyone knows what's going on is harmful or immoral or a dick move in any way :3
:3
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
May 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#710
On May 04 2012 04:46 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 04:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:43 Eiii wrote:
...wait, it just occurred to me that it's probably safe to make an account on the test realm and fuck around with the hacks there. Why not put these 5v5 infinite-CDR summoner theories to the test?

Because then someone would be right. And that would ruin the whole theorycrafting thing.

Not to mention Riot looks down on you replicating the hacks.


Why would you pick smite over surge?

You don't need levels if you one-shot towers and inhibs.
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 19:51:13
May 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#711
what about heal/surge

tons of damage, no deaths...insta push down center lane, win in 2 minutes

edit:unless surge doesnt stack?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 19:53:08
May 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#712
This discussion was just a bit of fun and does not justify spending hours testing it. A bit like the 5 poppies teamcomp.


On May 04 2012 04:50 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 04:46 Mogwai wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:43 Eiii wrote:
...wait, it just occurred to me that it's probably safe to make an account on the test realm and fuck around with the hacks there. Why not put these 5v5 infinite-CDR summoner theories to the test?

Because then someone would be right. And that would ruin the whole theorycrafting thing.

Not to mention Riot looks down on you replicating the hacks.


Why would you pick smite over surge?

You don't need levels if you one-shot towers and inhibs.


You can't stack surge? Just reset the cooldown. What buffs in this game actually do stack like that? You can't double stack an udyr turtle shield.
And a flash smiter can easily get level 4 at minute 1 and kill you constantly to stop your surge push. Unless you mean promote, smite counters that too. Flash promote would be hilarious though.
aka Teutonica
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
May 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#713
More importantly, has it been fixed yet?
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 19:52:28
May 03 2012 19:51 GMT
#714
On May 04 2012 04:50 ishboh wrote:
what about heal/surge

tons of damage, no deaths...insta push down center lane, win in 2 minutes

edit:unless surge doesnt stack?


There's nothing saying surge doesn't stack, so I assume it does...

And no need for heal, you want flash. You one-shot everything that isn't invulnerable, including towers, anyway.

Edit: You want teemo or someone else with a very low cd (autoattack ideal) that scales with AP.
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
May 03 2012 19:52 GMT
#715
AD Fiddle as your carry. Most steroids are attack speed and meaningless in that situation.

QSS can save you from one fear/silence bounce but he'll have blue so they'll both be such short CDs that the next time you get hit he'll kill you while all healers are silenced/the carry is feared.

Galio Ult is another good one to stop the mass flashing.
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
May 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#716
On May 04 2012 04:52 Lounge wrote:
AD Fiddle as your carry. Most steroids are attack speed and meaningless in that situation.

QSS can save you from one fear/silence bounce but he'll have blue so they'll both be such short CDs that the next time you get hit he'll kill you while all healers are silenced/the carry is feared.

Galio Ult is another good one to stop the mass flashing.


If you pick surge -- assuming it does stack -- you get practically unlimited AP, so I don't see why offensive items are needed anyway :-)
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
May 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#717
ur carry is gonna have unlimited cleanse heal though. I think these would just turn into a stalemate until some ones keyboard breaks.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 19:55:28
May 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#718
On May 04 2012 04:51 bmn wrote:
There's nothing saying surge doesn't stack, so I assume it does...

Why would your default assumption be that buffs stack? The default behavior of most buffs is that they don't stack with themselves unless it's explicitly stated that they do.

Also, realistically Sion carry would win if it can stall to the point where Atma's + Enrage stacks 1-shots towers/inhibs/nexus. Every other carry caps out at the point of 6 items, but Sion can keep going.
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
May 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#719
On May 04 2012 04:49 Eiii wrote:
Riot hasn't shown that they've ever implemented some sort of hardware banning, so hiding your IP should be safe.

Want to make a bet? I feel like making some money.

On May 04 2012 04:50 Abenson wrote:
More importantly, has it been fixed yet?

Yes, Hotfix has been deployed.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
May 03 2012 19:56 GMT
#720
you guys are too stuck on flash, sure it's awesome, but if you want to win you take smite/heal

the guy with smite/flash can jump around farming all he wants while you're instantly clearing creep waves and knocking down towers. it doesn't matter that he can flash in and hit you without you being able to hit him back because the game will be over before he gets enough gear to 1 shot you.
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