[Patch 1.0.0.134: Nautilus] General Discussion - Page 41

On February 16 2012 10:42 Navi wrote:
since people like to bag on evelynn, lets take her as an example
she has a better stealth gank in terms of not knowing when she is coming / passing wards than shaco (no orange poof), while having a decent slow and armor/mr redux on her hit after stealth. this is nowhere near as strong as the stun she used to have, but it still makes for strong ganks and forces the enemy to play passive
if jungling, she is relatively weak in a standing 1v1 fight against a strong counterjungler (mundo, lee, shyvana)
this can be made up for with a strong midlaner who has the ability to push at early levels if needed to maintain jungle control for evelynn (i.e. the enemy laner cannot follow without being at an exp disadvantage / risk losing further creeps and/or is weaker in early level 2v2s), which would make invading very risky versus her
a 320 base damage nuke with 1.0 AP scaling that reduces 24 armor and MR at max rank is not too weak midgame - she is not as useless as some people would have others believe. if she is able to utilize her ultimate's healing 2 or more times in a teamfight, she gets a large amount of free healing, which can be reliably used in tandem with ganks or single-target hard focusing

lategame she does not provide the same amount of CC or mixture of pure damage and tankiness that other popular junglers have - but she has great map presence in that she can punish splitpushing and can clear wards with relative safety if any of the opponent's team is on the map.

she may not be a competitive pick in tournaments, but she is certainly viable in solo queue in the hands of a knowledgable player and she may even have her place in the correct team comp.

sure, some picks are stronger than others. but no pick is completely unviable - they all have niche periods of strength that many others do not. for example, evelynn's gank at levels 2 and 3 is often crippling to a laner who is not forfeitting cs for fear of her - twitch and shaco are the only other two who can present similar threat due to their stealth, and evelynn is able to cover more distance than twitch roaming mid-lategame due to her ultimate's movespeed

if they change her passive to something useful and up some base numbers on her, i can see her being legitimately strong - but to say that she is totally unviable is either exaggeration or lack of understanding of the game

On February 16 2012 11:01 Cloud9157 wrote:
I'm curious what everyone thinks of an AoE comp.

I remember watching WCG semis with Poland vs Canada. Poland ran Morg, Kennen, GP, Nunu, and Vayne. Canada just could not handle them, since they just flashed and ult'd, CC'ing Canda to hell while Vayne just killed everyone.

I know Janna will beat AoE comps (you ult when they ult) but it still sounds like a really solid comp.

On February 16 2012 10:55 Yttrasil wrote:
Yes seriously, why don't people ever play Poppy top. It's disgustingly strong at laning phase and lategame, seriously I think I should start abusing her as well. Just sick stronk!!!

Talon as well, don't know why people stopped playing him, he's still great like before and works almost everywhere always.

Then I'd say Olaf, why don't people play him top more? He stomps on so many so hard and is overall really good.

Last Malzahar, what happened with him? He was played so much then people stop, he's still sick good

But mainly, why don't people play Poppy SO GOD DAMN GOOD!!!

On February 16 2012 11:05 UniversalSnip wrote:


I've been running 9/21/0 on her, armor/mr runes including reds, hp regen quints, and opening regrowth. I've run this setup a few times and I've absolutely crushed my lane every time - I'm talking hard zoning them - including vs a gp who picked up first blood in the level one jungle fight and got repeated shyvana ganks.

I've also lost every single game, it's too bad this hero actually requires skill so I can't carry with her.

Last Malzahar, what happened with him? He was played so much then people stop, he's still sick good

On February 16 2012 11:18 Kaneh wrote:
anyone else feel that support soraka actually got buffed? the auto animation is HUGE for harass in lane, and she still doesn't have mana issues. If you run philo>shurelya you never notice mana issues at all. Her 1-3 are still weakish, but actually better because of her auto. so they basically made her e give more mana and made her harass easier with very little downside.

then again you can't just rollface and do decently with her anymore so she's nerfed for the general population.

On February 16 2012 10:19 TheYango wrote:

Good thing he has a steroid that gives him the highest autoattack range in the game.

Kog'maw's W only gives him 710 AA range. Tristana's passive gives her 703. Spray and Pray gives you 800+.

On February 16 2012 11:25 turdburgler wrote:


spray and prey is good i know but, he still has no way to escape, and since he 'has' to be jungled you are giving up 1 summoner spell too so flash is less likely on him. feels like if you have a jarvan or something, anyone with a hard engage twitch isnt going anywhere and has no escape at all.

On February 16 2012 10:42 Navi wrote:
since people like to bag on evelynn, lets take her as an example
she has a better stealth gank in terms of not knowing when she is coming / passing wards than shaco (no orange poof), while having a decent slow and armor/mr redux on her hit after stealth. this is nowhere near as strong as the stun she used to have, but it still makes for strong ganks and forces the enemy to play passive
if jungling, she is relatively weak in a standing 1v1 fight against a strong counterjungler (mundo, lee, shyvana)
this can be made up for with a strong midlaner who has the ability to push at early levels if needed to maintain jungle control for evelynn (i.e. the enemy laner cannot follow without being at an exp disadvantage / risk losing further creeps and/or is weaker in early level 2v2s), which would make invading very risky versus her
a 320 base damage nuke with 1.0 AP scaling that reduces 24 armor and MR at max rank is not too weak midgame - she is not as useless as some people would have others believe. if she is able to utilize her ultimate's healing 2 or more times in a teamfight, she gets a large amount of free healing, which can be reliably used in tandem with ganks or single-target hard focusing

lategame she does not provide the same amount of CC or mixture of pure damage and tankiness that other popular junglers have - but she has great map presence in that she can punish splitpushing and can clear wards with relative safety if any of the opponent's team is on the map.

she may not be a competitive pick in tournaments, but she is certainly viable in solo queue in the hands of a knowledgable player and she may even have her place in the correct team comp.

sure, some picks are stronger than others. but no pick is completely unviable - they all have niche periods of strength that many others do not. for example, evelynn's gank at levels 2 and 3 is often crippling to a laner who is not forfeitting cs for fear of her - twitch and shaco are the only other two who can present similar threat due to their stealth, and evelynn is able to cover more distance than twitch roaming mid-lategame due to her ultimate's movespeed

if they change her passive to something useful and up some base numbers on her, i can see her being legitimately strong - but to say that she is totally unviable is either exaggeration or lack of understanding of the game

On February 16 2012 12:14 Alaric wrote:
Oh snap. Just realized I queued in soloQ at 3 AM during kids' vacations. And not it's too late to dodge. Welp, I'll get what I deserve.