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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 19:00:54
January 31 2012 18:59 GMT
#3701
On February 01 2012 03:52 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:48 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ez is also a really weak lane. Any pusher is gonna give him fits, as well as Cait (but cait does do that to every ad carry, so w/e)


Ezreal shit on Cait oO
Just play agressive, she don't even do half your damage after lvl 3 lol

If you have no clue what you are talking about, please refrain from talking at all.


Tell me what Cait can do if you jump on her agressively after she use her Q. Specialy since cait players usualy stay near the bottom bush becuase of her passive, so minions are less a problem.

But heh.. it can be. I usualy don't have a problem laning against cait as Ezreal. Always felt she's the easiest match up of ez. :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 31 2012 18:59 GMT
#3702
Just thought of it... Maokai's ult damage reduction should also work on the shield from the new item, right? Philo->Solaris->Aegis Mao inc., never die from an engage in teamfights.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 31 2012 19:03 GMT
#3703
Probably. Shields are said to function identically to HP.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 19:18:06
January 31 2012 19:15 GMT
#3704
On February 01 2012 03:59 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:52 Shiv. wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:48 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ez is also a really weak lane. Any pusher is gonna give him fits, as well as Cait (but cait does do that to every ad carry, so w/e)


Ezreal shit on Cait oO
Just play agressive, she don't even do half your damage after lvl 3 lol

If you have no clue what you are talking about, please refrain from talking at all.


Tell me what Cait can do if you jump on her agressively after she use her Q. Specialy since cait players usualy stay near the bottom bush becuase of her passive, so minions are less a problem.

But heh.. it can be. I usualy don't have a problem laning against cait as Ezreal. Always felt she's the easiest match up of ez. :/

First of all, what you said is a retarted statement to make to begin with because you completely excluded any supports. If you jump ON her, chances are you just turned a 2v2 into a 1v2 in Cait's favor because her Taric/Ali will CC you, Sona will burst you, Soraka silence you+Heal Cait for armor, all before your support can react.

Cait's range wins this lane. Ez can't go for last hits without getting harassed (so he won't even think of jumping onto her at level 3 because he should be at a distinct HP disadvantage, Cait does not want to go near any bushes if she's against Ezreal, she can shove lane all day. If the Ez is super aggressive, just use your superior range to farm. Shouldn't be a problem though, with any decent support, Cait dunks on Ez.
currently rooting for myself.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
January 31 2012 19:29 GMT
#3705
Man I get better players in 700-799 Elo than in 800+...
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 31 2012 20:30 GMT
#3706
On February 01 2012 04:15 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:59 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:52 Shiv. wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:48 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ez is also a really weak lane. Any pusher is gonna give him fits, as well as Cait (but cait does do that to every ad carry, so w/e)


Ezreal shit on Cait oO
Just play agressive, she don't even do half your damage after lvl 3 lol

If you have no clue what you are talking about, please refrain from talking at all.


Tell me what Cait can do if you jump on her agressively after she use her Q. Specialy since cait players usualy stay near the bottom bush becuase of her passive, so minions are less a problem.

But heh.. it can be. I usualy don't have a problem laning against cait as Ezreal. Always felt she's the easiest match up of ez. :/

First of all, what you said is a retarted statement to make to begin with because you completely excluded any supports. If you jump ON her, chances are you just turned a 2v2 into a 1v2 in Cait's favor because her Taric/Ali will CC you, Sona will burst you, Soraka silence you+Heal Cait for armor, all before your support can react.

Cait's range wins this lane. Ez can't go for last hits without getting harassed (so he won't even think of jumping onto her at level 3 because he should be at a distinct HP disadvantage, Cait does not want to go near any bushes if she's against Ezreal, she can shove lane all day. If the Ez is super aggressive, just use your superior range to farm. Shouldn't be a problem though, with any decent support, Cait dunks on Ez.

Usually I just go even with Cait. While I can't be super aggressive against her, she can't against me either. If she steps away from her support or her wave, she's getting Q'd in the face and there's nothing she can do about it. Her Q is so easy to dodge unless you're dumb enough to step in a trap or run into her support's CC.

Once we get to that stalemate point, I just farm. I strongly feel that Ez scales better mid-to-late game than Cait, and is a much better skirmisher. I can also farm easily under either tower with Q+autos if need be.

The other thing is, I think Ez helps jungle ganks better than Cait. She has to wait for someone to step in a trap to help the gank along, while I can usually run up and burst to claim the kill, and escape ganks easier because Arcane Shift is so good.
It's your boy Guzma!
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
January 31 2012 20:49 GMT
#3707
On January 31 2012 17:44 gtrsrs wrote:
Don't even bother theorycrafting about the drummer I'll just let you know from my source that it's trundle


If that is true, instant-buy for me.

I've been waiting for a half-decent skin for trundle for quite a while... It would be more than time for them to release a new one!
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 20:57:56
January 31 2012 20:54 GMT
#3708
On February 01 2012 04:29 Zhiroo wrote:
Man I get better players in 700-799 Elo than in 800+...

wrong place for QQ :\

Is jungle trundle even still good/viable? His clear is pretty average and his ganks are strong, but below Lee Sin, Rammus, and other strong gankers.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 31 2012 21:03 GMT
#3709
On February 01 2012 05:54 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 04:29 Zhiroo wrote:
Man I get better players in 700-799 Elo than in 800+...

wrong place for QQ :\

Is jungle trundle even still good/viable? His clear is pretty average and his ganks are strong, but below Lee Sin, Rammus, and other strong gankers.


Very strong ganks as you mentioned. His clear time is good, it just pales in comparison to Udyr/Lee Sin/Skarner.

Honestly, I only go Trundle if I know they will have a dedicated tank on their team. If I see Rammus/Galio/Maokai, I pick Trundle as jungler. You ult them and run at the AD carry, bite them, and start wailing on them until they run away or die.

If they don't I go Udyr. Udyr>Trundle with no tank on enemy team imo.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 31 2012 21:04 GMT
#3710
On February 01 2012 05:54 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 04:29 Zhiroo wrote:
Man I get better players in 700-799 Elo than in 800+...

wrong place for QQ :\

Is jungle trundle even still good/viable? His clear is pretty average and his ganks are strong, but below Lee Sin, Rammus, and other strong gankers.

I like to pick him in arranged 5s when we forget to ban rammus and enemy team FPs him. He may not be a PERFECT rammus counter but still a good one.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23382 Posts
January 31 2012 21:08 GMT
#3711
On February 01 2012 03:59 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:52 Shiv. wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:48 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ez is also a really weak lane. Any pusher is gonna give him fits, as well as Cait (but cait does do that to every ad carry, so w/e)


Ezreal shit on Cait oO
Just play agressive, she don't even do half your damage after lvl 3 lol

If you have no clue what you are talking about, please refrain from talking at all.


Tell me what Cait can do if you jump on her agressively after she use her Q. Specialy since cait players usualy stay near the bottom bush becuase of her passive, so minions are less a problem.

But heh.. it can be. I usualy don't have a problem laning against cait as Ezreal. Always felt she's the easiest match up of ez. :/


Ez was always the classic "cait counter" from all top level players. You'll note he stopped being played when cait stopped being picked. I really hate people flaming someone over something that is highly debated as if it's general knowledge.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 31 2012 21:15 GMT
#3712
Trundle fucks up Shyvana "I'm diving because my ult makes me unkillable" with his "Well mine does too, but at the cost of your survivability". He brings a lot of utility too, especially in jungle fights, and his a bitch to counterjungle. He's not bad at it either, if you can avoid making yourself seen if you cast W while ninja-ing a buff.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
January 31 2012 21:17 GMT
#3713
On February 01 2012 05:54 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 04:29 Zhiroo wrote:
Man I get better players in 700-799 Elo than in 800+...

wrong place for QQ :\

Is jungle trundle even still good/viable? His clear is pretty average and his ganks are strong, but below Lee Sin, Rammus, and other strong gankers.



It wasn't a QQ just something I noticed
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
January 31 2012 21:18 GMT
#3714
imo pick trundle for pillar, he is absolutely incredible for kiting teams

re: ezreal. I don't really want to go into how good/bad he is in bot lane, but i can still tell you he's a monster solo laner, just like he used to be, so if/when ranged AD start shifting away from bot lane some of the time, he's gonna come back big time.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 31 2012 21:20 GMT
#3715
I'm missing adventures in low levels with Odd One
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 31 2012 21:36 GMT
#3716
Hey guys, haven't been on LoL GD for a while. What'd I miss?

Are all TSM members level 30 yet? Last I remember it was only Regiiiiiiiiiiiibaylife
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 31 2012 21:52 GMT
#3717
On February 01 2012 06:18 barbsq wrote:
imo pick trundle for pillar, he is absolutely incredible for kiting teams

re: ezreal. I don't really want to go into how good/bad he is in bot lane, but i can still tell you he's a monster solo laner, just like he used to be, so if/when ranged AD start shifting away from bot lane some of the time, he's gonna come back big time.


Morello keeps saying that ezreal is really popular in china and stuff. Does anyone know that is the standard lane set-up there? Do they follow the same meta or something else?

Ezreal can be easily send mid in some teamcomps. You can have your xerath go bot for example - his passive coupled with his range can be pretty awesome in coming out in trades.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 31 2012 21:52 GMT
#3718
Odd One was 24~ yesterday. Haven't seen anything since then.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 22:01:26
January 31 2012 21:58 GMT
#3719
lol ezrael is the classic counter to cait due to his Q range and even with his bad scaling he still outscales cait. cant believe that was an argument...

anyways just play corki, da better ezrael. he wrecks caitlyn even harder.
Brees on in
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 22:03:12
January 31 2012 22:00 GMT
#3720
On February 01 2012 06:08 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:59 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:52 Shiv. wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:48 Noocta wrote:
On February 01 2012 03:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ez is also a really weak lane. Any pusher is gonna give him fits, as well as Cait (but cait does do that to every ad carry, so w/e)


Ezreal shit on Cait oO
Just play agressive, she don't even do half your damage after lvl 3 lol

If you have no clue what you are talking about, please refrain from talking at all.


Tell me what Cait can do if you jump on her agressively after she use her Q. Specialy since cait players usualy stay near the bottom bush becuase of her passive, so minions are less a problem.

But heh.. it can be. I usualy don't have a problem laning against cait as Ezreal. Always felt she's the easiest match up of ez. :/


Ez was always the classic "cait counter" from all top level players. You'll note he stopped being played when cait stopped being picked. I really hate people flaming someone over something that is highly debated as if it's general knowledge.


He wasn't a Cait counter. He can just farm in lane because of the range on his Q. With proper positioning the lane still favors Caitlyn but Ez was capable of farming against a Caitlyn while other champions such as Ashe, Corki, or Vayne had difficulty farming against an aggressive Caitlyn in lane.

Cait has a harder time zoning Ez than other ADs because of Q harass and the fact that Ez can still farm with Q. But Ezreal is not a counter to Caitlyn nor does he win the lane and he especially doesn't shit on her as Noocta said.

Caitlyn is really strong early so most ADs just had to survive the beginning of the game without being fucked over. Almost every AD can survive that lane if they have a good support player and then when the lane phase is over you have an AD carry that's much stronger than Caitlyn simply because of how bad Caitlyn scales.
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