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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 12 2012 22:07 GMT
#3721
On January 13 2012 07:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 07:01 NotSorry wrote:
Joy CLG EU bringing out the top lane Vayne


If teams practiced more, we should see more Sivir and Vayne solo top.


I use it a lot in soloQ and people rage so hard at me even when I dominate, hopefully it becomes more popular
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:11:41
January 12 2012 22:09 GMT
#3722
Anyone see what runes/masteries snoopeh is using?

Judging by the blurry ass screen, It looks like he has armor yellows at least, and no ap or ad. Guessing probably movespeed on quints?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:13:46
January 12 2012 22:12 GMT
#3723
On January 13 2012 06:21 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 06:18 Seuss wrote:
On January 13 2012 06:15 TheYango wrote:
On January 13 2012 06:11 Requizen wrote:
On January 13 2012 06:05 Seuss wrote:
On January 13 2012 05:50 Craton wrote:
Trynd is not going to have 2.0 attack speed until lategame, if at all. Not relevant in a laning scenario at all.


4 attacks is wishful thinking, but the ability is still relevant in a laning scenario. Even if Trynd has only 0.7 attack speed it'll be possible to dodge 2 attacks with a modicum of timing. Unless you have incredible and consistent luck that level of performance is ridiculously improbable with the current Counterstrike.

At the moment Counterstrike grants 10% dodge at rank 1. If you assume every trade involves 10 auto attacks (which can hardly be called a "trade" at that point) the probability of dodging 2 or more attacks is only 26.4%. Even if you increase the number of attacks to 15 you still only have a 45% chance of dodging 2 or more attacks. Anything you can really call a trade is going to be on the order of 4-7 auto attacks at most, meaning 85-95% of the time the new Counterstrike will be better.

All of the %s in the above post were calculated using a binomial distribution calculator.

Edit: Jax very clearly auto-attacks while Counterstriking vs Tryndamere at ~4:55-5:00 in the spotlight.

It's hard to tell in the timing, as he's still swinging his lantern above his head. Is it an attack or is it the stun damage?

I'm pretty sure its not an attack. You notice that there's a pretty long delay during Counterstrike where Trynd is not taking damage.


At 4:56 you can see Tryndamere being damaged by a proc from Jax' ult, despite Counterstrike being in progress. At 4:59 there's still a quarter of the Counter-strike buff icon left to go and Tryndamere has mysteriously suffered a 175 critical. Where did those come from if not from auto-attacks?

Possible, I agree, as Counter Strike can't crit. It might just be a delayed number coming up from the last attack before CS was put up, though.


You can actually see the stacks on his passive increase while the Counterstrike buff is active. At this point I'd wager $5 of RP that Jax' can auto attack during Counterstrike (I'd wager $500 but no one would take that bet).

On January 13 2012 06:49 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 05:01 Requizen wrote:
On January 13 2012 04:58 Seuss wrote:
On January 12 2012 20:33 RogerX wrote:
Well I agree, we'll just have to see his numbers when he becomes released into the wild.

well since his ult scales off AP and AD im curious to how his new build will be.

lol something metaish with a mix of AP perhaps?
lantern, Warmogs, atmas, ryalis, rageblade

trololol? idk, i can't think of an efficent build


The thread moves faster than I can reverse engineer numbers, so pages have elapsed since the Jax discussion. However, here are the numbers on Jax' ult as they were in the spotlight.

20/35/50 AP/AD base, +20% of AP as additional AP and +20% of Bonus AD as additional AD. Bonuses are determined at cast time and do not update as buffs/procs fade.

That ain't bad at all. Probably not strong enough to warrant building straight damage over tanky dps/bruiser/metablargl/whatever you want to call it, but pretty damn good. Do you happen to know the CD on it?

Other than that, I kind of want to know the actual numbers on his new Counterstrike. I'm not on the bandwagon of "worst change ever", but they'll have to be pretty careful of making it too bad/good.


Am I really the only person who saw those numbers and thought "LOL HI RELASE VAYNE HI" when I read about his new ult? :S


A part of me thinks something along the lines of Wriggles -> Triforce -> GA or Wriggles -> Atmogs is your best bet. Throw in a random wota and everyone is happy. Tbh he's getting so much free shit from his ult that he might be great for Atmogs, kinda like Jarvan was at one point.

Edit: Anyone got full numbers on all skills/stats somewhere? Wiki isn't updated yet.


There's no information with which to update. I reverse engineered the new ult from the spotlight because the necessary information was easily accessible. The information for the new Counterstrike's damage/scaling is not.

However, I can tell you that his passive stacks up to 6 times and each stack is worth 10% attack speed.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 12 2012 22:17 GMT
#3724
And CLG EU dismantling TSM.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 12 2012 22:21 GMT
#3725
a shame clg eu won't be at iem
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 12 2012 22:23 GMT
#3726
On January 13 2012 07:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
And CLG EU dismantling TSM.

Yeah this is ugly. No one is streaming on TSM. Curious what's going on. Probably just bickering but would be interesting
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
January 12 2012 22:23 GMT
#3727
I need to make a Wickd soundboard
twitch.tv/cratonz
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
January 12 2012 22:24 GMT
#3728
wow TSM just got completley annihilated there lol.
Go go Alliance.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 12 2012 22:25 GMT
#3729
On January 13 2012 07:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
And CLG EU dismantling TSM.


Tell me moar.
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Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
January 12 2012 22:26 GMT
#3730
On January 13 2012 07:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 07:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
And CLG EU dismantling TSM.


Tell me moar.


Mmmmn, a quick breakdown of picks/bans/lanes/big plays would be great for those of us stuck at work.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:30:18
January 12 2012 22:28 GMT
#3731
On January 13 2012 06:52 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 06:49 r.Evo wrote:
On January 13 2012 05:01 Requizen wrote:
On January 13 2012 04:58 Seuss wrote:
On January 12 2012 20:33 RogerX wrote:
Well I agree, we'll just have to see his numbers when he becomes released into the wild.

well since his ult scales off AP and AD im curious to how his new build will be.

lol something metaish with a mix of AP perhaps?
lantern, Warmogs, atmas, ryalis, rageblade

trololol? idk, i can't think of an efficent build


The thread moves faster than I can reverse engineer numbers, so pages have elapsed since the Jax discussion. However, here are the numbers on Jax' ult as they were in the spotlight.

20/35/50 AP/AD base, +20% of AP as additional AP and +20% of Bonus AD as additional AD. Bonuses are determined at cast time and do not update as buffs/procs fade.

That ain't bad at all. Probably not strong enough to warrant building straight damage over tanky dps/bruiser/metablargl/whatever you want to call it, but pretty damn good. Do you happen to know the CD on it?

Other than that, I kind of want to know the actual numbers on his new Counterstrike. I'm not on the bandwagon of "worst change ever", but they'll have to be pretty careful of making it too bad/good.


Am I really the only person who saw those numbers and thought "LOL HI RELASE VAYNE HI" when I read about his new ult? :S

If he would actually start throwing lamppoles instead of being in melee range then yes.


imagine if he had a real weapon

On January 13 2012 07:26 Haasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 07:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 13 2012 07:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
And CLG EU dismantling TSM.


Tell me moar.


Mmmmn, a quick breakdown of picks/bans/lanes/big plays would be great for those of us stuck at work.


credit goes to reddit


Scrim 1
Bans
CLG Eu: Maokai, Rammus, Skarner
TSM: Morganna, Graves, Lee Sin
Picks
CLG EU: Vayne, Anivia, Alistar, KogMaw, Janna
TSM: Corki, Sona, Cassiopiea, Udyr, Teemo
CLG Eu wins 20 minute surrender
Record v TSM : 4:0
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 12 2012 22:28 GMT
#3732
On January 13 2012 07:26 Haasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 07:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 13 2012 07:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
And CLG EU dismantling TSM.


Tell me moar.


Mmmmn, a quick breakdown of picks/bans/lanes/big plays would be great for those of us stuck at work.



kog janna farm kills on corki sona, rainman dies several times to vayne solo top. i dont know how mid went.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:33:09
January 12 2012 22:32 GMT
#3733
I only caught the last half but Froggen asked the team if he could purchase Leviathan for Anivia mid. Snoopeh basically just went to each lane over and over and forced a flash or a kill every time. He'd tell his teammate he was ganking his lane and they always told him to pressure another lane as they were already far ahead, which was the case for every lane. They defended their blue at 17 min while Kog/Janna stole TSM's at the same time. Basically CLG always killed, never died. Can't speak for the pick/ban phase or the early game.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
January 12 2012 22:51 GMT
#3734
On January 13 2012 07:12 Seuss wrote:

However, I can tell you that his passive stacks up to 6 times and each stack is worth 10% attack speed.


At all levels? A lot of passives scale with level.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 23:15:44
January 12 2012 23:15 GMT
#3735
Good call. I see the following values per stack in the spotlight:
  • Level 3: 4%
  • Level 6-9: 6%
  • Level 12-13: 8%
  • Level 16-18: 10%

Based on that it looks like it starts at 4% and increases in value three times. Exactly when I can't say, and I don't recall any similar passives which have four stages.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
deskscaress
Profile Joined May 2011
United States399 Posts
January 12 2012 23:27 GMT
#3736
just tried jungle poppy - got a kill early but still felt underfarmed and like i did no damage

what runes are people running on her to give her this "godlike" clear speed and still do damage on ganks?
would you ever miss it?
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 12 2012 23:36 GMT
#3737
On January 13 2012 08:27 deskscaress wrote:
just tried jungle poppy - got a kill early but still felt underfarmed and like i did no damage

what runes are people running on her to give her this "godlike" clear speed and still do damage on ganks?

Probably attack speed runes since she gets a free 15 ad from lvl 1 w. Anyone that gets free ad or something from autoattacks uses AS reds/quints in the jungle.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 12 2012 23:43 GMT
#3738
On January 13 2012 08:27 deskscaress wrote:
just tried jungle poppy - got a kill early but still felt underfarmed and like i did no damage

what runes are people running on her to give her this "godlike" clear speed and still do damage on ganks?


Whoever told you poppy is a fast jungler is delusional.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 12 2012 23:59 GMT
#3739
Craton gets carried by my Viktor. News at 11.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 13 2012 00:07 GMT
#3740
On January 13 2012 08:15 Seuss wrote:
Good call. I see the following values per stack in the spotlight:
  • Level 3: 4%
  • Level 6-9: 6%
  • Level 12-13: 8%
  • Level 16-18: 10%

Based on that it looks like it starts at 4% and increases in value three times. Exactly when I can't say, and I don't recall any similar passives which have four stages.

Heimer's passive is a 4-stage passive (10/15/20/25 hp5). Not sure on when it changes, but you could start there.
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