EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 124
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On January 09 2012 00:46 spinesheath wrote: Well, quite simply: I have not yet played a game where I felt like I should actually rush Starks. I would always have either an Aegis or a Reverie before starting to work on Stark's. That makes it a lategame item if you build it on a support. This is a sentiment I definitely share. TSM has been experimenting with it as a first item, though, which I really can't see working properly, especially with Soraka/Sona. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Also, i agree, Starks is so strong sometimes. I wish supports built it more in certain team comps. (ad bruiser, jungle, and ad carry) | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
What do you guys think about that ? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On January 09 2012 01:29 BlackPaladin wrote: Elo doesn't mean as much as some people try to put off (mainly 1400 scrubs complaining about elo hell and that "i should be 1800 cause i can beat an 1800 player in a NORMAL game"). However, it does indicate some form of skill. A good example can be the multiple TL teams over the past year. Smash became a better player from practicing in ranked 5's with the old TL team and his elo rose considerably as a result of the practice. Additionally, soniv and gandhisauce were like 1500-1600 last season and after playing with the new TL team for a while improved and became 1700-1800 npnp. Rhav is around 1800 too. Also, i agree, Starks is so strong sometimes. I wish supports built it more in certain team comps. (ad bruiser, jungle, and ad carry) Well, we WERE 1700-1800 before the Age of Trolls began. We duo queue quite often, but we seem to get lots of trolls when we're together. Still, it's more fun to duo queue with him, even though he is a troll magnet. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 09 2012 01:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, we WERE 1700-1800 before the Age of Trolls began. We duo queue quite often, but we seem to get lots of trolls when we're together. Still, it's more fun to duo queue with him, even though he is a troll magnet. Since when was ghandi the troll magnet? | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 09 2012 01:19 Two_DoWn wrote: I've said it before. If they actually want starks to be bought they should change the item/combine- remove emblem and recurve and have it be made out of a HoG, Dagger, and vamp cepter. Or you just accept that there are items that are good, but rarely used because of other constraints. I don't see a need to remove unique concepts in this game. By the way, they could just as well buff emblem and make it provide part of its lifesteal as an aura already. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Have any of you noticed that his Laser seems pretty buggy? There are times I see it go right through a target and it does no damage. Either it's buggy, or they made the hit box too narrow, especially for the aiming tool that it shows. For everyone else (but still pertinent to Viktor): What is the slow % difference between single target and aoe skills that you get from Rylai's. I absolutely love Rylai's, but it doesn't seem to do much on Viktor other than give him AP and make him tanky. His laser doesn't really seem to get much benefit at all from the slow. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
a) should I run WotA? or Hextech Gunblade? Recently I've been going WotA since there's usually another AP on my team. b) should I rush WotA/gunblade? or should I stop at revolver, and then work on other items? c) should I build rylais before or after Death Cap? d) is deathcap worth it? I've recently been building blood thirster. Gives more bonus damage to my ult, also offers more auto attack damage, while cd's are down, and is cheaper.... but DC makes shunpo a lot stronger. | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
On January 09 2012 01:32 Lylat wrote: Hey guys I was wondering what are your summoners on support ? I often go flash/heal especially on soraka I think it's very good you just cant die with 3 heals and I almost always win my lane with it. But a lot of people whine about no cv, I know it's important but I think with a proper warding job you can skip cv. What do you guys think about that ? If you don't take CV you would need cover to ward and clearing enemy wards after the laning phase. You can bypass the lack of CV during the laning phase by warding intelligently i.e waiting for the enemy jungler to appear, killed or forced your laning opponent to blue pill or wait for your jungler to be nearby before going up to ward. CV is not absolutely necessary but I still prefer it over flash which is basically a get out of free jail card every 4 minutes. It's more of a matter of preference. However, you need to look at your playstyle and think about how many times you were forced to burn flash that could have been avoided if you had used CV. If the number is too high then you shoud just take the latter. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 09 2012 02:24 wei2coolman wrote: So I've been playing a lot of Katarina, and I've run into a couple of problems. a) should I run WotA? or Hextech Gunblade? Recently I've been going WotA since there's usually another AP on my team. b) should I rush WotA/gunblade? or should I stop at revolver, and then work on other items? c) should I build rylais before or after Death Cap? d) is deathcap worth it? I've recently been building blood thirster. Gives more bonus damage to my ult, also offers more auto attack damage, while cd's are down, and is cheaper.... but DC makes shunpo a lot stronger. Sorc Shoes -> Gunblade -> possible defensive item (QSS, GA) -> Deathcap -> Defensive item in case you didn't get it -> WotA. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 09 2012 02:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: What is the slow % difference between single target and aoe skills that you get from Rylai's. I absolutely love Rylai's, but it doesn't seem to do much on Viktor other than give him AP and make him tanky. His laser doesn't really seem to get much benefit at all from the slow. 15% and 35%. I generally don't consider Rylai's to be that good for champs that are only getting to use the 15% slow--unless the small sliw still has massive synergy with their kit (e.g. Cassi). | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On January 09 2012 02:37 TheYango wrote: 15% and 35%. I generally don't consider Rylai's to be that good for champs that are only getting to use the 15% slow--unless the small sliw still has massive synergy with their kit (e.g. Cassi). Yeah, I main Cass, which, I'm sure, is why I like the item so much. Even so, it feels like Cass's Q slows way more than Viktor's Laser, and Cass's Q is most definitely multi-target AND DoT. I don't even feel like Viktor's Q gets the 35%, but I guess that's just me expecting more than I should. NEED MOAR VIKTOR GAMES. Gotta figure out good build. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 09 2012 02:44 clickrush wrote: i dont get the starks on support discussion at all. starks is allready costefficient on carries and fighters without the aura effect. If a champ does phisical damage and likes to have an AS item then he should get starks as long as he isnt the only one who profits from it and if there inst allready anyone building it. The idea is that the carry can put that money towards other sources of DPS, while he gets the aura from someone else. If your ranged AD has IE LW PD then it'll be hard to find a better way to spend money on the support than Starks: The stats on it are greatly amplified on the ranged AD. Anything you buy that works just for yourself will not be amplified. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 09 2012 02:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: For people who have played Viktor: Have any of you noticed that his Laser seems pretty buggy? There are times I see it go right through a target and it does no damage. Either it's buggy, or they made the hit box too narrow, especially for the aiming tool that it shows. For everyone else (but still pertinent to Viktor): What is the slow % difference between single target and aoe skills that you get from Rylai's. I absolutely love Rylai's, but it doesn't seem to do much on Viktor other than give him AP and make him tanky. His laser doesn't really seem to get much benefit at all from the slow. I've said this many times even in this thread, the lazer has the bugs: 1. Sometimes deals no damage 2. The range is actually shorter than the animation and never hits at the start or end of the beam even if it clearly hits the enemy 3. The range is actually thinner than the animation or the targeting indicator and you will only hit with the very center 4. Sometimes it shoots the opposite direction for no reason akin to nidalee spear for instance. | ||
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topoulo
253 Posts
On January 09 2012 02:36 Shiv. wrote: Sorc Shoes -> Gunblade -> possible defensive item (QSS, GA) -> Deathcap -> Defensive item in case you didn't get it -> WotA. Yea ok with 0 hps youll be focus down in a global. try standar rod of ages ( i know mana is usless but uber hp bonuses and 80 ability ) ,rylais then deathcap, this way ull get 1200 hp more + snare , which is crusial, even then get hourglass then deathcap. If not rylais , heart of gold ,hourglass , Gunblade is trash | ||
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