EPTNot to mention how good nunu is @ protecting your carry in teamfights, bloodboil for mobility, snowball for anyone coming near and you can ult in front of them and no one can reach them.
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
Not to mention how good nunu is @ protecting your carry in teamfights, bloodboil for mobility, snowball for anyone coming near and you can ult in front of them and no one can reach them. User was warned for this post | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On December 19 2011 18:50 UniversalSnip wrote: can't heal you, his cc isn't that good, his damage isn't that good, his range isn't that good, could just be playing alistar or taric or leona or something where if you run into range, you aren't threatening poking with a snowball you are threatening a kill. Alternatively could play sona or soraka and your guy is just indestructible. he's just way less dangerous than other supports, only benefit of running him is... that he gives comparable amounts of free stats. play janna get better cc, a shield so you can actually protect your laner, and about the same free stats, and you're twice as survivable and your ult is literally one thousand times better anything he can do in lane he does poorly, he's a fine hero just not a good bot lane support. The last time I saw that in a tournament was empire who were also running revive ashe as i recall? Very troll and very embarassing for their opponents to lose to it. As of team fights, having nunu is scary. You gotta blow a cc to stop his ulti channeling, he gives a massive amount of slow and can blood boil his carry for extra MS and AS. I don't really see why he's bad. He's not that good pre-6, but once your carry gets something that makes him/her abit scary, nunu support is fucking deadly. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:22 UniversalSnip wrote: You're thinking about this wrong because you're listing all the cool stuff nunu gives you. Doesn't matter, it's what he gives you compared to the other supports that's important and they are just SO much more powerful than him. There's a reason there's a group of top teir supports you see almost every game and nunu isn't in them. When was the last time you had Janna the Allstar on your team and thought to yourself my god, I wish this was a nunu. Every single time, esp when they use stupid ults and have bad tornados or shield at the wrong times, or you know, when trading hits. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:25 JackDino wrote: Every single time, esp when they use stupid ults and have bad tornados or shield at the wrong times. I simply have no way of arguing with that, I don't see the point when you aren't willing to concede that janna out-jannas nunu. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:29 UniversalSnip wrote: I simply have no way of arguing with that, I don't see the point when you aren't willing to concede that janna out-jannas nunu. Janna outjannas nunu because janna is best at jannaing, the same way nunu out-nunus janna. I'd rather have nunu support over janna support when I play someone like mf any day. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On December 19 2011 18:50 UniversalSnip wrote: can't heal you, his cc isn't that good, his damage isn't that good, his range isn't that good, could just be playing alistar or taric or leona or something where if you run into range, you aren't threatening poking with a snowball you are threatening a kill. Alternatively could play sona or soraka and your guy is just indestructible. he's just way less dangerous than other supports, only benefit of running him is... that he gives comparable amounts of free stats. play janna get better cc, a shield so you can actually protect your laner, and about the same free stats, and you're twice as survivable and your ult is literally one thousand times better anything he can do in lane he does poorly, he's a fine hero just not a good bot lane support. The last time I saw that in a tournament was empire who were also running revive ashe as i recall? Very troll and very embarassing for their opponents to lose to it. sona, soraka, janna, taric, and alistar are all banned. WHAT THEN MR USNIP SIR?!  But seriously, choax banned sona, soraka, and alistar, and other team banned janna. Wasn't much choice and was obviously a troll game (what's his face crs AD carry was like "AD CARRY OR AFK" and chaox proceeded to pick cait, so he took jungle ezreal...). Nunu was probably one of the better choices there lol. Relevance, bro. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Especially against Vayne he's pretty amazing. Of course Nunu is worse than Sona at being Sona, and worse than Janna at being Janna. You can't lane with a Nunu-support and play as if you were laning with a whatever-else-support. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
okay, that was dumb, but my point is exactly what spinesheath said. You can't lane support nunu and pretend you're janna. Like, nunu isn't horrible as support. Obviously there are overall better supports than him. BUT, if given no other option, support nunu is pretty bad ass. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:37 BlackPaladin wrote: How many janna's can a spinesheath janna if janna could out-spinesheath janna's jannaing? 37 | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:34 BlackPaladin wrote: sona, soraka, janna, taric, and alistar are all banned. WHAT THEN MR USNIP SIR?! But seriously, choax banned sona, soraka, and alistar, and other team banned janna. Wasn't much choice and was obviously a troll game (what's his face crs AD carry was like "AD CARRY OR AFK" and chaox proceeded to pick cait, so he took jungle ezreal...). Nunu was probably one of the better choices there lol. Relevance, bro. taric was open! trist/leona had absolutely no fear of nunu as is proper so they just leapt on him and killed him every time he came close enough to be relevant, and zoned when he didn't. Nothing to be done. You said it yourself, it was a troll game. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:39 UniversalSnip wrote: taric was open. trist/leona had absolutely no fear of nunu as is proper so they just leapt on him and killed him every time he came close enough to be relevant, and zoned when he didn't. Nothing to be done. You said it yourself, it was a troll game. Nunu being played by a bad player doesnt make nunu bad. The other day, I saw an Ahri post 6 who got killed if she came close or zoned otherwise against a lvl 4 karthus. Conclusion, Ahri is bad. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Do you just ward their brush to prevent/reduce zoning, taking over if you can (or your support), and then camp in your creepwave shooting at your opponent everytime he goes to cs (that's assuming you've got better range, with lesser range I guess you need an aggressive support like Taric-Vayne and zone people with threat)? I tried most of them, currently playing Ezreal or Ashe when I have to play the role, so noone with a fancy long range, and I never seem to be doing so well, except when I hit enough Qs to force backs, or at least tower hugging till they pot up. I guess Ez's a bit different because of skillshots altering positioning, but basically should I just say "that whole zone near the creeps is mine, you go in, you lose health before even csing"? I know Ez's laning's supposed to be pretty good, so maybe I should try Tristana or Caitlyn to get a different feel for lane-dominant AD carries. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:41 JackDino wrote: Nunu being played by a bad player doesnt make nunu bad. The other day, I saw an Ahri post 6 who got killed if she came close or zoned otherwise against a lvl 4 karthus. Conclusion, Ahri is bad. dat strawman | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
Whatever, I need to go to bed, have fun dominating next mlg with support nunu. Nobody's ever tried it before, it's just waiting to be discovered bro. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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PandaBlunt
United States292 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:12 Sponkz wrote: As of team fights, having nunu is scary. You gotta blow a cc to stop his ulti channeling, he gives a massive amount of slow and can blood boil his carry for extra MS and AS. I don't really see why he's bad. He's not that good pre-6, but once your carry gets something that makes him/her abit scary, nunu support is fucking deadly. Nunu has his benefits too: You can consume blue @ lvl 1 for your jungler and give him a 400 health faster blue, you can also use this to secure buffs/dragons/barons. He gives all AD's a move/attack speed steroid, he has a targetable slow so you can secure kills, and an AOE ulti that if allowed to channel, ALWAYS chunks a teams health and even if it doesn't get a full channel, you still have blown a CC that could have been used on your carry. I completely agree with you Sponkz. When I play support nunu I go flash/heal to make up for the lacking of a heal built in. If we get poked hard bot you can always buy emblem of valor and upgrade to starks later. If the lane is just kinda meh I go normal Philo -> boots -> Kage's -> HoG etc etc. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On December 19 2011 19:48 UniversalSnip wrote: No way. Janna can play so much farther back, they have to target chaox. and she's twice as good at peeling if they get him. Whatever, I need to go to bed, have fun dominating next mlg with support nunu. Nobody's ever tried it before, it's just waiting to be discovered bro. Poland would like to have a word with you. They ran Nunu bot with Vayne game 2 vs CLG at WCG. I don't get how Nunu is being brought up to sound like a god. Janna has 3 CCs as opposed to Nunu's 2. Both give a buff, although Nunu definitely gives the better one. I also don't see how Nunu/MF bot would beat Taric/Cait bot. Stun->trap->udead | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
I also don't see how Nunu/MF bot would beat Taric/Cait bot. Stun->trap->udead stun -> snowball on cait, cait gets 1 hit free before stun end, BB on mf, mf W, MF shoots 3 times faster than cait, get faceraped. | ||
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