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[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 71

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Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
October 24 2011 08:41 GMT
#1401
On October 24 2011 17:10 Shiv. wrote:
So how exactly is one supposed to win a lane against Renekton as Nasus? Showed up with Cloth 5 Pots, still got shat on. I use dodge seals and still lack the HP/5 quints, but should it be as hard as it was? He dominated me pretty handily.

Spirit Fire does burst damage now. Just troll with a bunch of mana regen and do 200 unavoidable damage to him every eleven seconds. Movespeed quints are a must so you can just juke around like a dumb ass while out CSing them and out harassing them rofl.
MIK Terran
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 24 2011 09:19 GMT
#1402
I'm pretty sure renek can outheal 200dmg/11seconds lol.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
October 24 2011 09:29 GMT
#1403
You'd be super surprised. Spirit fire does gay tons of dmg bro
MIK Terran
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 24 2011 09:34 GMT
#1404
A target area becomes desecrated for 5 seconds. Enemies caught in the area when the desecration occurs are dealt a burst of magic damage. Additionally, enemies in the area are dealt magic damage each second and have their armor reduced while on there and for 1 extra second.
Cooldown: 12 seconds
Initial Magic Damage: 55 / 95 / 135 / 175 / 215 (+0.6 per ability power)
Magic Damage Per Second: 11 / 19 / 27 / 35 / 43 (+0.12 per ability power)

He needs to stand in teh wave for atleast 3 seconds at rank 3 for you to do 200damage.
Renekton rank 3 Q is capped @ 100health and 300 if used with fury.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
October 24 2011 09:37 GMT
#1405
R>E>Q>W for Nasus is legit for certain lanes.

I've seen Hotshot do the same thing, though I don't remember the specific matchup. It might have been vs Rumble where he wanted to push the lane as hard as possible instead of trying to last hit while taking harass from Rumble. Kennen might play out similarly since they both have non-mana based ranged harass.

The change to front-loaded damage on E was a pretty serious buff.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 24 2011 10:17 GMT
#1406
been playing a lot of solo corki lately since they buffed his laning. He's really good. Chalice of harmony into thirster or infinity edge, ditch the manamunes bros
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
goony
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia28 Posts
October 24 2011 10:40 GMT
#1407
Is anyone getting really bad lag spikes and glitches since this patch came out (both connection and fps spikes on client side)? Getting a bit frustrating - Lost many games this whole week because of it (1 or 2 people, or myself lagging out and not able to get back in for like 10 minutes). There's also been a couple of loss forgiven games a couple of days ago.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 24 2011 10:46 GMT
#1408
On October 24 2011 19:40 goony wrote:
Is anyone getting really bad lag spikes and glitches since this patch came out (both connection and fps spikes on client side)? Getting a bit frustrating - Lost many games this whole week because of it (1 or 2 people, or myself lagging out and not able to get back in for like 10 minutes). There's also been a couple of loss forgiven games a couple of days ago.

I wouldn't say I've been getting really bad lag spikes but there have been instances where i see my character move someplace or respawn and move before it actually starts moving.
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 11:11:38
October 24 2011 11:03 GMT
#1409
On October 24 2011 17:33 Happy Frog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 15:48 JBright wrote:
On October 24 2011 15:07 Craton wrote:
We have an LoL wiki that nobody ever uses.

---

I'm just happy Jatt lost.


You mean this one?

http://liquidlol.wikispaces.com/

If someone is willing to bring over the templates from LP (since I don't know how), I can help fill things out.


Is there a particular kind of template you're interested in?


They're simple enough to copy over and edit where we need them But I mean, what would you want. One for champions?

Edit: Wikispace won't let you have a colon in the URL so the odds of getting templates and template coding to work are minimal.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
October 24 2011 11:23 GMT
#1410
On October 24 2011 19:40 goony wrote:
Is anyone getting really bad lag spikes and glitches since this patch came out (both connection and fps spikes on client side)? Getting a bit frustrating - Lost many games this whole week because of it (1 or 2 people, or myself lagging out and not able to get back in for like 10 minutes). There's also been a couple of loss forgiven games a couple of days ago.


Happens to me. I give move command but my champion just stays there for a couple seconds. Got even killed a few times because of it because enemy caught up. Also I can't reply to friends while in game for some reason. Also sometimes I don't see my friends online and need to relog to be able to.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
October 24 2011 11:43 GMT
#1411
yes i have those spikes too. happened every 5th game or so.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
October 24 2011 12:32 GMT
#1412
I'm getting lag spikes every 3-4 games but I have a feeling it's my net/computer.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 24 2011 13:18 GMT
#1413
What's the general consensus on Kayle? I was trying her a bit today, trying to play support bot but my games kept being too weird for it (enemy double jungle, Kayle/Eve bot). How would you play her in a regular game?

I'm thinking something like Philo -> Boots -> Soul Shroud -> Malady -> Aegis. Really unsure about masteries, was trying 9/21/0 and 0/21/9, the spell pen seems really important.

R -> E -> W -> Q
I am the Town Medic.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 24 2011 13:24 GMT
#1414
On October 24 2011 22:18 Alzadar wrote:
What's the general consensus on Kayle? I was trying her a bit today, trying to play support bot but my games kept being too weird for it (enemy double jungle, Kayle/Eve bot). How would you play her in a regular game?

I'm thinking something like Philo -> Boots -> Soul Shroud -> Malady -> Aegis. Really unsure about masteries, was trying 9/21/0 and 0/21/9, the spell pen seems really important.

R -> E -> W -> Q

Kayle is really bad as a support. Her heal is pitiful, and while her ult does have great utility, she is better built hybrid.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 24 2011 13:35 GMT
#1415
On Kalye I just go qeqwqr R>Q>W>E. You solo top and just focus on landing a qe combo while your jungler is ganking with red buff. Mid game you get a double buff and direct traffic in team fights.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 13:45:48
October 24 2011 13:41 GMT
#1416
On October 24 2011 16:03 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 14:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
On October 24 2011 13:55 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
On October 24 2011 13:38 Hakker wrote:
On October 24 2011 13:36 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
So just got out of a game top lane garen vs gangplank. He had full crit rune page and started off with brawler's gloves. So I thought npnp I just spin2win as normal since he has no armor, but every crit he hit was taking off 1/3 my life, and of course he hits every 1/3 shots. I started boots + pots and he still managed to push lane and force me to back many times. Is critplank a hard counter to garen, or did I just play bad? I managed to get a couple qe off but I couldn't outdmg him at all, with armor pen + ad quints


Im not sure, but dont you almost always want to start 5 pot vs a gp.



Pantheon disagrees. Boots+3hp panth wrecks gp in my experience. Especially a brawlers glove opening. Block that bullet all day

Who the hell starts brawlers gloves?

He mentioned it in the OP..

Pantheon outranges GP, Garen doesn't. They both approach the lane matchup completely differently. You really need that armor against that kind of stupid crit opening. It isn't powerful anymore when his 1/3 chance of critting makes his Qs on your 100 armor bring his crits to barely above what he hits (non-crit) on a low armor target.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 24 2011 14:03 GMT
#1417
So how unviable is AP TF right now? I used to find him loads of fun and I was considering picking him up again.
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Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
October 24 2011 14:09 GMT
#1418
On October 24 2011 23:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So how unviable is AP TF right now? I used to find him loads of fun and I was considering picking him up again.


He's not completely unviable, but since his ulti nerf I dont know what lane you would put him in. He completely falls over to almost every popular solo mid champion atm.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17242 Posts
October 24 2011 14:20 GMT
#1419
He farms just fine vs most mids, just like he did before. Nothing changed. He's still really squishy and can side gank very easily, but its more deliberate. His split-push in the lategame is much weaker.
twitch.tv/cratonz
spacemonkey4eve
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States267 Posts
October 24 2011 14:36 GMT
#1420
On October 24 2011 22:41 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 16:03 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
On October 24 2011 14:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
On October 24 2011 13:55 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
On October 24 2011 13:38 Hakker wrote:
On October 24 2011 13:36 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
So just got out of a game top lane garen vs gangplank. He had full crit rune page and started off with brawler's gloves. So I thought npnp I just spin2win as normal since he has no armor, but every crit he hit was taking off 1/3 my life, and of course he hits every 1/3 shots. I started boots + pots and he still managed to push lane and force me to back many times. Is critplank a hard counter to garen, or did I just play bad? I managed to get a couple qe off but I couldn't outdmg him at all, with armor pen + ad quints


Im not sure, but dont you almost always want to start 5 pot vs a gp.



Pantheon disagrees. Boots+3hp panth wrecks gp in my experience. Especially a brawlers glove opening. Block that bullet all day

Who the hell starts brawlers gloves?

He mentioned it in the OP..

Pantheon outranges GP, Garen doesn't. They both approach the lane matchup completely differently. You really need that armor against that kind of stupid crit opening. It isn't powerful anymore when his 1/3 chance of critting makes his Qs on your 100 armor bring his crits to barely above what he hits (non-crit) on a low armor target.


Yeah you're right. I had dodge seals against him so I had no armor whatsoever. Having armor from runes and cloth would've made it a LOT easier. I almost managed to FB him at lvl 2 with QE but he crit me twice in a row and got first blood instead QQ. So in retrospect having that armor would've made the difference in who got FB , although him being lucky with the crits pissed me off so much that game.
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