EPTalso CV is clairvoyance right?
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
also CV is clairvoyance right? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
CV = Clarivoyance | ||
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zulu_nation8
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
Cho cant do that, when clg tried it he got stomped by sona/tristana (2 deaths before minute 5 or sth) | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 19 2011 02:43 zulu_nation8 wrote: I think it's viable. A handful of champions can 1v2 an AD + support lane as long as you make the correct bans. In addition to pulling off successful ganks the jungling duo would also have to shut down the other jungler. It's a bit of an all-in strat but definitely viable. "it's viable" with no examples is a moot post. Also "all-in" and "viable" in the same sentence confuses me a bit. | ||
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zulu_nation8
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zulu_nation8
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On October 19 2011 02:59 NeoIllusions wrote: "it's viable" with no examples is a moot post. Also "all-in" and "viable" in the same sentence confuses me a bit. Hence I said "I think" it's viable from theorycraft. Running shaco in 5s is all-in too but obviously viable. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 19 2011 03:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: singed after 6, galio, ori, kennen, teemo, sion probably, yorick no no no no no no and no seriously all of those get crushed by ranged AD + support. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I think a well-specced Karthus or Casseiopia could probably 1v2 and do decently. Long range, low cooldown so that they can actually get a low-health creep without being left with nothing for 10 seconds after. | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
Kennen, no way he has no sustain no pushing potential (he needs to get in the minions to push the lane with E W, ad carries will just kill you). Teemo, you must be joking a teemo cant push at all, he cant farm from a safe distance he will get ourharassed/burstet and has to go back. Sion again someone who has to walk into the creeps to push the lane, if he does that he will just eat stun from ali/taric or ~200 burst from sona. Leona will just destroy him. Yorick again he might be able to do it but I think he just cant push good enaugh. Now you might say : why push then the enemy is at your tower thats what we want, dont we? False. You want the enemy champions near your tower and the creepgold in your pocket. Yeah Ente but then my 2 junglers can gank them, theoretically right but, you will be purple site, you have to have the lastpick which in tourneys is purple(99% of the time). That means that the enemy can just ward your dragon and be nearly safe to ganks, if the jungler/midplayer then wards his jungle entrance to botlane you cant be really ganked, and the botlane will just hugely be outfarmed. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On October 19 2011 03:10 Ente wrote: just no. How can Singed 1v2? Singed needs some space so he can farm, he needs to be able to run from tower to tower so his poison trail can actually kill the minions. That is not possible vs ad/support lane. They WILL zone you, and possible burst you with sona/trist burst or other high burst combs. Galio, yeah probably he can do it, forgot about him. Kennen, no way he has no sustain no pushing potential (he needs to get in the minions to push the lane with E W, ad carries will just kill you). Teemo, you must be joking a teemo cant push at all, he cant farm from a safe distance he will get ourharassed/burstet and has to go back. Sion again someone who has to walk into the creeps to push the lane, if he does that he will just eat stun from ali/taric or ~200 burst from sona. Leona will just destroy him. Yorick again he might be able to do it but I think he just cant push good enaugh. Now you might say : why push then the enemy is at your tower thats what we want, dont we? False. You want the enemy champions near your tower and the creepgold in your pocket. Yeah Ente but then my 2 junglers can gank them, theoretically right but, you will be purple site, you have to have the lastpick which in tourneys is purple(99% of the time). That means that the enemy can just ward your dragon and be nearly safe to ganks, if the jungler/midplayer then wards his jungle entrance to botlane you cant be really ganked, and the botlane will just hugely be outfarmed. Pretty sure you'd run a pink ward and abuse the fuck out of 3v2s bot. | ||
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zulu_nation8
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
Edit: atm kog is a 100% ban, no way to let it open anyway. Yeah probably cait has to be banned but tristana isnt worse, Urgot would be a huge threat aswell due to his incredible poke and tristana because she can oneshot everything early on. For me there are just too many counters for that botlane that this strategy might be affective. And its just like that if the team without dbl jungler doesnt lose early game, they WILL win | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 19 2011 02:59 NeoIllusions wrote: "it's viable" with no examples is a moot post. Also "all-in" and "viable" in the same sentence confuses me a bit. if single people werent able to suvive bottom lane vs ad + support people could just run ad + support top lane too to crush the early game but they dont, there has to be a reason for it. whether theres enough xp to make 2 jungles viable is another question but you could counter jungle pretty hard so its not as closed case as your tone implies D: | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 19 2011 03:22 turdburgler wrote: if single people werent able to suvive bottom lane vs ad + support people could just run ad + support top lane too to crush the early game but they dont, there has to be a reason for it. whether theres enough xp to make 2 jungles viable is another question but you could counter jungle pretty hard so its not as closed case as your tone implies D: AD + Support top would most likely own the solo top. Except you're conceding total control of Dragon. Enemy 3-4 man Dragon would make up the poor farming their solo top is suffering. Overall, enemy team would still come out on top. That's the main reason why you don't see AD+Support top. | ||
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
On October 19 2011 03:22 turdburgler wrote: if single people werent able to suvive bottom lane vs ad + support people could just run ad + support top lane too to crush the early game but they dont, there has to be a reason for it. Teams shifting their duo lane top because they think that their solo is able to 2v1 better than the other teams has been done to some extent in recent tournaments. In my opinion the doublejungling is very similar to people running a dedicated roamer, at first it was very effective because people didn't know how to deal with it but once they adapted it became severely worse. Combined with bottom lanes that can crush people 2v1 being the standard now, I can't see this being viable. | ||
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zulu_nation8
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