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So after watching Dyrus and Reginald own it up with double jungle Alistar/Blitzcrank, I was wondering whether you guys think this is a viable strategy.
If you haven't seen it, here are some links:
http://www.own3d.tv/video/237677/Reginald_and_Dyrus_changing_the_meta
http://www.own3d.tv/video/238481/BLITZSTAR__CHANGING_THE_META_BRO
It seems to have a really strong early game, with a huge lead built right off the bat, but falls off a bit in the late game.
The strategy is very bannable in a tournament, unless other champions could be used. Another thing to consider is that this was duo queue, and neither team had any preparation/counter-strategy to deal with it.
So what do you guys think? Troll or OP?
Poll: Troll or OP?Troll (57) 84% Viable strategy (11) 16% 68 total votes Your vote: Troll or OP? (Vote): Troll
(Vote): Viable strategy
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Pretty legit if you ask me
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All I saw was them stomping no names and vman7 who isn't that great of a player either........ -_-
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not for tournaments, but funny and decent enough to make it into some ranked games - have been seeing this in EU more than a year ago though
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Really this just shows the difference between solo queue and proper team coordination. Still baffles me why the pro teams practice primarily in solo.
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Obvious troll is obvious tbh...
Best games were actually where the enemy team was ahead of them and banned Blitz, so they picked alistar + maokai instead. Was even bigger rape then this BlizAlistar combo.
But yes, its troll all the way.
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If you consider Regi's poor performance when tryharding solo Q, then you might think it's actually legit.
Then you realize that nobody banned or picked Eve in tournaments when she was permabanned at high elo solo Q.
That being said, I wouldn't just call it troll and be done with it. Roaming was a legit strat for a while, and double jungle is pretty much the same concept.
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United States37500 Posts
Regi and Dyrus were also practicing Maokai too, in addition to Ali Blitz.
The main problem with this double CC jungle strat is the lack of champions that can successfully farm bot lane 1v2. We’ve seen champions like Cho and Galio solo bot but they typically get zoned very early on.
It’s a decent idea and it’s only going to stay that (an idea) unless TSM decides to test it out in a scrim. They’re essentially trading very stronk ganks (setting back enemy lanes) for a very weak solo bot.
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Troll? Probably.
Awesome? Definitely.
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It was funny as hell to watch though. And it got regi up to 1800 elo unlike his tryharding l0l
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Like others mentioned it relies on a decent 1v2 laner. Also if you don't get a big lead early on, you fall really far behind. Getting counter jungled or double ganked is huge pressure for any jungler or solo lane with that much CC. One ranked game a long time ago ran double jungle with Nunu/Trynd. It was interesting...
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I was thinking about trying this in some normals, and brainstorming heroes that would be good for it. So far I'm thinking garen taric and rammus would also be good. Any other ideas?
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It was viable and extremely strong prior to the support + AD bot meta. Nowadays you can fuck up a lot of lanes but that super-farmed ranged AD is going to blow up your team anyways.
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On October 19 2011 00:43 Southlight wrote:
It was viable and extremely strong prior to the support + AD bot meta. Nowadays you can fuck up a lot of lanes but that super-farmed ranged AD is going to blow up your team anyways.
Not if you throw a super farmed Singed/Garen/Renekton in their face.
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Maybe. People are forgetting that the double jungle funks up the enemy jungler too, so it might work out that way, but you'd have to play pretty perfect.
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United States37500 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:07 Southlight wrote:
Maybe. People are forgetting that the double jungle funks up the enemy jungler too, so it might work out that way, but you'd have to play pretty perfect.
Pretty much this. Double jungle must set one (if not two) champions on the other team back severely. The exp/gold splitting between two junglers is going to hurt a lot already. And afaik, most double junglers focus more on CC, rather than DPS. Most of them don't really go Wriggle's, so you have this weird lack of Buff/Dragon control.
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I dont see this to be viable in competetive play but for example we take standart high elo EU bans:
Kogmaw (simply incredible broken, think the us knows this now aswell #1,#2,#3 ^.^)
Lee Sin ( a very mobile extremely strong early jungle/ganker)
Kassadin ( again a pretty strong early ganker who can reach top/bot from his midlane)
(AP) Sion (same as kassadin with even stronger ganks!)
Akali ( can be played like kassa/sion but could be played top aswell where she is able to snowball pretty hard)
(Morgana, gets banned every now and then but a bit different)
so what do we see: strong early ganks seem to dominate solo q the reason is : ppl cant communicate that well and ppl are more agressive in solo q. Botlane doesnt go b immediatly when mid is missing same with top. Toplane/botlane doesnt back off if they think lee sin might lvl 2 gank after dbl golems. And I think the most important part: people flame, if someone does bad early/mid they flame 24/7 and with flame comes bad play due to dismotivation and because they type more then they actually play.
That Blitz/ali combo NEEDS many kills early game. Because they are behind "real" junglers who have their jungle for themself. One lane will be losing really hard (1v2 is very hard if the enemy has a strong lane, like trist/sona cait/X...). So this lane will need help. In addition the dbl jungle would lose a 1v1 fight against anyone if they meet the enemy jungler in a 1v1 fight they will most likely lose.
The lastpart the combo is HORRIBLE later(lategame) they are underfarmed/underleveld and even if they are higher level I think a gp or sth is way scarier then blitz or ali.
End of story : I think it might be really strong in solo q (if the jungle duo are mates) but it wont work in tourneys
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I got pubstomped by an Blitz/shaco where the blitz pulled me into the bush's where shaco's box's instagibbed me and then later after blitz powerfisted me in the air while the box's dps'ed me. That seems pretty wicked.
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first thing that happens in the first clip is dyrus missing a straight line blitz grab
-_-
second clip they all spam their gap closers over and over then the person just flashes away, they get lucky that the taric sucks etc ;/ i know this is just a troll video but cant watch it when it looks like random scrubs beating on other scrubs
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