• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:06
CEST 05:06
KST 12:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall 2026 GSTL Announcement Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
[Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 ASL22 General Discussion Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro24 Group B Toronto invitational lan 22 august [ASL22] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5495 users

[Patch 1.0.0.126: Xerath] General Discussion - Page 4

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 154 155 156 Next
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 05 2011 02:03 GMT
#61
On October 05 2011 10:43 taLbuk wrote:
What the crap?

No WuKong nerfs? that hero is the most OP thing in game, i ban him every solo queue

stealth, mobility, images, spin to win

riot im losing my faith in your balancing

OK come on now, I know most of you aren't this slow.
Moderator
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 05 2011 02:03 GMT
#62
D+2 of constant zenon shoutouts and this forum is already 20x worse.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
October 05 2011 02:05 GMT
#63
well? it seems nobody else thinks the game should be balanced around all levels of play?

have fun with OP hero like brand wukong and lee sin and nocturne until riot decides to give people chance in non draft mode
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 05 2011 02:08 GMT
#64
Eh I can see his point. Should probably just play WoW though.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 05 2011 02:08 GMT
#65
The fact of the matter is, this forum is also about getting better. Most of the gripes people have with characters like Wukong are because you aren't being game aware and putting yourself in the really akward situation of getting 100-0'd by a melee character who has a 100% AD scaling ult. Know his range and respect it. It's and annie that has a leap.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 05 2011 02:08 GMT
#66
taLbuk, just stop...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 02:10:44
October 05 2011 02:10 GMT
#67
nothing big, this was expected since Riot don't want any big changes during the upcoming tournaments but they don't even play on the current patch so
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 05 2011 02:10 GMT
#68
I still don't understand how it isn't completely obvious that he's trolling.

Since when was "spin to win" a point of balance?
Moderator
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
October 05 2011 02:14 GMT
#69
since garen came out and everyone who facechecked bushes shed rivers of tears.
Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
October 05 2011 02:14 GMT
#70
Tbh I'm a little surprised that Riven isn't getting any durability nerfs just yet, I think they might wait a bit more so see how it turns out but as of now she's slowly moving into the OP category. Does anyone else agree on this?
Meh
Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
October 05 2011 02:14 GMT
#71
On October 05 2011 09:34 Frolossus wrote:
lets see
so they didn't touch akali and barely touched lee sin?

Akali is not much a problem, she only hurts in the mid game. If the game goes on too long, and you haven't been diving like crazy chasing hero kills with her, you aren't going to get much done. Her sustainability in fights is rather low for a melee AP champion. She has one combo burst, and that is it. Most good supports will have oracles by the time she becomes a serious threat, and she has no escape outside of her W. If you build her too tanky, she won't do enough damage to matter, and has a weak CC.

She is rather good in dominion, though, where big team fights aren't exactly what you want to be doing. She shines more in 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3 type situations. With akali, you want to be diving in for hard pokes and backing out again. That suits dominion a lot better.

As far as Lee Sin, I think what they are doing is fine. Chopping off some of his cooldowns and range helps control his mid game a little better. It also takes away some of his chase, which is a big reason he is so good. 750 range on his leap was a bit much for chasing enemies down. He is still a strong jungler, but he isn't unmanageable by any means. He will definitely do well against a team with poor map vision, but so does any jungler.

I like that they only nerfed him just slightly, as well as morgana, to see if problems smooth out a little. I am not a fan of drastic changes in the nerf or buff department. Both champs are banned in 70% of my games right now, so riot listened. I am eager to see how these changes play out.
www.twitch.tv/Thatgooey
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 05 2011 02:17 GMT
#72
On October 05 2011 11:14 Yttrasil wrote:
Tbh I'm a little surprised that Riven isn't getting any durability nerfs just yet, I think they might wait a bit more so see how it turns out but as of now she's slowly moving into the OP category. Does anyone else agree on this?

The one thing that stands out about Riven is her insane scaling lategame.

If I were to predict a change to Riven, it would be a buff to early-game while hitting her lategame scaling. I can't say I'd like that, seeing as I don't like how Riot continues to move to homogenizing everyone's power curve, but given their track record, this is what's most likely.
Moderator
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 05 2011 02:18 GMT
#73
Bullet Time now scales with attack damage and ability power

Her ulti still sucks.
liftlift > tsm
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
October 05 2011 02:19 GMT
#74
the problem is and has always been sustain, and gunblade provides way too much of it. even the individual parts provide too much of it, letting you rush it and still stay in lane. (oh man, morde/vlad got thier revolver, they'll never need to leave lane now)
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 05 2011 02:21 GMT
#75
On October 05 2011 11:05 taLbuk wrote:
well? it seems nobody else thinks the game should be balanced around all levels of play?

I actually cannot believe something like this is said on a starcraft forum.

and even considering this point, wukong sucks.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 05 2011 02:45 GMT
#76
On October 05 2011 09:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 09:38 crate wrote:
On October 05 2011 09:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
will now stop channeling if the target becomes a zombie


what does this even mean. Who makes zombies ^_^

Assuming this is serious ... I assume that before Yorick's ult had a strange interaction with those spells (champ dies under Yorick ult but revives but WW/Malz is still trying to channel ult on them?).

This is a guess from the wording, since I've never seen it in game.


I got stuck on Morde and couldn't figure out why they would call them zombies. Makes much more sense when you remember Yorick.

Karthus is actually a better example. Continuing to channel Nether Grasp on dead karthus?
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 02:48:25
October 05 2011 02:47 GMT
#77
yea they should really take a closer look at riven, she might have some counters toplane, but she seems incredibly strong vs most champs there. And kog maw needs a serious nerf. No AD carry even comes close in lategame...

And lee's nerf wasnt big enough most likely, but we'll see.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 05 2011 02:48 GMT
#78
On October 05 2011 11:03 Two_DoWn wrote:
D+2 of constant zenon shoutouts and this forum is already 20x worse.


To be fair, I don't think we've received that many randoms thanks to Zenon.
Talbuk has 800+ posts.....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 05 2011 02:54 GMT
#79
On October 05 2011 11:08 NeoIllusions wrote:
taLbuk, just stop...


You can make him stop...
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 05 2011 02:56 GMT
#80
Wukong is not UP. People just haven't realized how strong he is right now.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 154 155 156 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
23:00
FSL s11 - code S championships
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft271
RuFF_SC2 145
ProTech134
FoxeR 37
PiLiPiLi 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Sharp 209
Noble 25
Terrorterran 8
Dota 2
The International79719
NeuroSwarm131
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 628
Counter-Strike
taco 623
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox711
Other Games
summit1g10454
C9.Mang0286
ViBE147
Trikslyr57
ROOTCatZ4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick721
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 44
• davetesta22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo628
• Rush308
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
6h 54m
PiG Sty Festival
8h 54m
Zoun vs Solar
SHIN vs Maru
Patches Events
12h 54m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 6h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 8h
TBD vs Reynor
Serral vs TBD
OSC
1d 12h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
hero vs ggaemo
Larva vs Mong
The Patches Monday
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soulkey vs PianO
JyJ vs sSak
GSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W8
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.