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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 18:59:05
August 29 2011 18:58 GMT
#1321
Shen has no place in the game because bot lane is support + ranged AD now. That's his biggest problem to me. A freefarming shen is a joke when up against a free-farming AD.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 29 2011 19:01 GMT
#1322
I just carried a ranked game with MF and this build:

zerkers, gunblade, rageblade, pd and LW in progress.

the ap ratio on impure shots (W) is 0.25 when stacked which is a better ratio than jax has on his R. With gunblade and rageblade thats about 70+(28to42) damage per shot depending on rageblade stacks. so every 4th shot it adds up to a generic caster single target nuke just from the impure shots.

E scales with 0.8 and is AoE which is a nice addition imo. the spellvamp+lifesteal is sick along with the additional slow. could easily solo a farmed tryndamere with her because i kited him with my two slows long enough to get my health back everytime he hit me.

iam thinking about getting rabadons+lichbane instead of pd now lol. her R scales with 0.2*8 on AP, and her Q adds on hit.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 29 2011 19:03 GMT
#1323
Support + ranged AD bot tends to lose often now, to be honest.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
August 29 2011 19:04 GMT
#1324
not sure how efficient rageblade is on someone who cant keep it charged easily.
although i guess kayle cant either and people still get it on her.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:07:02
August 29 2011 19:05 GMT
#1325
Oh yea, the latest patch stirred bot lane up alot so I don't really know about Shen's current viability.

No one else can global teleport besides him anymore and global teleport is still imba.


On August 30 2011 04:01 clickrush wrote:
I just carried a ranked game with MF and this build:

zerkers, gunblade, rageblade, pd and LW in progress.

the ap ratio on impure shots (W) is 0.25 when stacked which is a better ratio than jax has on his R. With gunblade and rageblade thats about 70+(28to42) damage per shot depending on rageblade stacks. so every 4th shot it adds up to a generic caster single target nuke just from the impure shots.

E scales with 0.8 and is AoE which is a nice addition imo. the spellvamp+lifesteal is sick along with the additional slow. could easily solo a farmed tryndamere with her because i kited him with my two slows long enough to get my health back everytime he hit me.

iam thinking about getting rabadons+lichbane instead of pd now lol. her R scales with 0.2*8 on AP, and her Q adds on hit.



It's a shame that her ult only scales with either AD or AP, not both, or else this is a build I'd really go for. Bloodthister is very much superior in my opinion to gunblade on her.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 29 2011 19:06 GMT
#1326
On August 30 2011 04:04 Orpheos wrote:
not sure how efficient rageblade is on someone who cant keep it charged easily.
although i guess kayle cant either and people still get it on her.


you actually keep them up all the times since she spams alot of autos and abilities -.-
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
August 29 2011 19:07 GMT
#1327
On August 30 2011 03:58 Juicyfruit wrote:
Shen has no place in the game because bot lane is support + ranged AD now. That's his biggest problem to me. A freefarming shen is a joke when up against a free-farming AD.


Keep in mind that at my level things aren't that developed, a team only has a jungler about 25% of the time.
I am the Town Medic.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 29 2011 19:07 GMT
#1328
Shen sucks because he's a support hero (has never been a true tank) that requires farm, but his skills don't help him use that farm. With the same item build as Shen, you could run Alistar, who can not only farm better anyways, but gives you far more skill-based utility.

His global tele is pretty good still though, but yeah.

He's getting worked on.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 29 2011 19:08 GMT
#1329
true tales from my brief time in sub 1400: every game, somebody on your team will say "I carry so hard." or "never forget this skill" or something similarly hilarious. Every game, winning or losing, the worst player on your team (the one getting caught the most) will say "we have no tank". IF one team invades the enemy jungle their jungler will always smite the big wraith and proceed to fail his route because everything but wolves will kill him.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#1330
On August 30 2011 03:19 Southlight wrote:
At sub1400 you just sit there tanking their team 1v5 and two-shotting everyone lol, after the 30 minute laning phase that let you build up to +300 with 300cs because everyone sucks too much to stop you from farming and Nasus is obnoxious to gank (and people are too stupid to re-gank after ult goes down).



i always get a 5 min laning phase in low elo and then 1st tower dies and everybody gathers at midlane oO
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
August 29 2011 19:16 GMT
#1331
People are still banning rammus? I'm tickled by this.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 29 2011 19:17 GMT
#1332
That's where you don't give a fuck and farm anyways. Farm until your inhib is about to die. Then if you can't swing it around enough then the game's over and it was just unwinnable as Nasus.

The end.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
August 29 2011 19:40 GMT
#1333
Ap carry soraka... soooo good :D
NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
August 29 2011 19:40 GMT
#1334
On August 30 2011 04:08 UniversalSnip wrote:
true tales from my brief time in sub 1400: every game, somebody on your team will say "I carry so hard." or "never forget this skill" or something similarly hilarious. Every game, winning or losing, the worst player on your team (the one getting caught the most) will say "we have no tank". IF one team invades the enemy jungle their jungler will always smite the big wraith and proceed to fail his route because everything but wolves will kill him.


LOL i totally did this trying to learn jungle nocturne. i tell team i'm smiting my big wraith then going wolves so smite is off cd once i get to double golems, they say why not smite theirs? so i figure why the hell not...end up having to back twice before getting red and was underleveled the whole game. lesson learned.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
August 29 2011 19:43 GMT
#1335
On August 30 2011 04:40 NSANE.hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 04:08 UniversalSnip wrote:
true tales from my brief time in sub 1400: every game, somebody on your team will say "I carry so hard." or "never forget this skill" or something similarly hilarious. Every game, winning or losing, the worst player on your team (the one getting caught the most) will say "we have no tank". IF one team invades the enemy jungle their jungler will always smite the big wraith and proceed to fail his route because everything but wolves will kill him.


LOL i totally did this trying to learn jungle nocturne. i tell team i'm smiting my big wraith then going wolves so smite is off cd once i get to double golems, they say why not smite theirs? so i figure why the hell not...end up having to back twice before getting red and was underleveled the whole game. lesson learned.


You can Smite their big wraith, kills the little ones, kill wolves, wait like 5 seconds at your wraith for smite to come back up, wraiths, double golems. Thats with a 1/8/21 - armor pen reds quints - vamp scepter build.
NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
August 29 2011 19:50 GMT
#1336
On August 30 2011 04:43 GranDim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 04:40 NSANE.hydra wrote:
On August 30 2011 04:08 UniversalSnip wrote:
true tales from my brief time in sub 1400: every game, somebody on your team will say "I carry so hard." or "never forget this skill" or something similarly hilarious. Every game, winning or losing, the worst player on your team (the one getting caught the most) will say "we have no tank". IF one team invades the enemy jungle their jungler will always smite the big wraith and proceed to fail his route because everything but wolves will kill him.


LOL i totally did this trying to learn jungle nocturne. i tell team i'm smiting my big wraith then going wolves so smite is off cd once i get to double golems, they say why not smite theirs? so i figure why the hell not...end up having to back twice before getting red and was underleveled the whole game. lesson learned.


You can Smite their big wraith, kills the little ones, kill wolves, wait like 5 seconds at your wraith for smite to come back up, wraiths, double golems. Thats with a 1/8/21 - armor pen reds quints - vamp scepter build.


yeahh that's the build i was using. thanks for the tip haha, i'm pretty lost when it comes to jungling. i know a few routes on a handful of junglers so that i can jungle in a pinch, but i don't know the ins and outs of it at all just the bare minimum, i generally don't try stealing anything or counterjungling or anything overly risky.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
August 29 2011 19:52 GMT
#1337
On August 30 2011 04:16 Craton wrote:
People are still banning rammus? I'm tickled by this.

People also ban malphite and shen. Be glad you're not in my elo. ^_^
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
August 29 2011 19:52 GMT
#1338
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan ieauy's gragas is so very mean. Also sorry to KJH and Raelcun for being a shitty janna
AKA SurfSolar ----- This is the product of a DIY inadequate home
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:55:59
August 29 2011 19:53 GMT
#1339
On August 30 2011 04:50 NSANE.hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 04:43 GranDim wrote:
On August 30 2011 04:40 NSANE.hydra wrote:
On August 30 2011 04:08 UniversalSnip wrote:
true tales from my brief time in sub 1400: every game, somebody on your team will say "I carry so hard." or "never forget this skill" or something similarly hilarious. Every game, winning or losing, the worst player on your team (the one getting caught the most) will say "we have no tank". IF one team invades the enemy jungle their jungler will always smite the big wraith and proceed to fail his route because everything but wolves will kill him.


LOL i totally did this trying to learn jungle nocturne. i tell team i'm smiting my big wraith then going wolves so smite is off cd once i get to double golems, they say why not smite theirs? so i figure why the hell not...end up having to back twice before getting red and was underleveled the whole game. lesson learned.


You can Smite their big wraith, kills the little ones, kill wolves, wait like 5 seconds at your wraith for smite to come back up, wraiths, double golems. Thats with a 1/8/21 - armor pen reds quints - vamp scepter build.


yeahh that's the build i was using. thanks for the tip haha, i'm pretty lost when it comes to jungling. i know a few routes on a handful of junglers so that i can jungle in a pinch, but i don't know the ins and outs of it at all just the bare minimum, i generally don't try stealing anything or counterjungling or anything overly risky.


basically, if you see their jungler somewhere, you can take the other half of his jungle.


also, i need new champ rotation for my new account soon, getting bored :D
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 29 2011 19:56 GMT
#1340
And I just had my token "Feed like a retard" game. Worst part is, at least 5 other TLers saw it.
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