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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 06 2011 17:24 GMT
#2861
Xin is just worse than everyone else like him after like 15:00. But goddamn, his pre-15:00 is pretty strong and you can steamroll the fuck out of baddies at that point.
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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
September 06 2011 17:25 GMT
#2862
HoN/DotA both allowed for remakes if someone dc'd in the first few minutes, dunno why LoL doesn't have the same.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 06 2011 17:31 GMT
#2863
On September 07 2011 02:09 STS17 wrote:
Explain to me the logic behind the /surrender time-out defaulting to no instead of yes. If people want to keep playing the game they should have to actually take the time to say "yes, I want to keep playing this game" by clicking the no button instead of being able to sit there and wait. This also causes players who go afk, but have not yet been dropped from the game or marked afk, count as a surrender vote (because them being afk actually makes it harder to surrender a game with the current system)

Uh you know some people just take the surrender popup and shove it out of the screen because that thing is fucking annoying when you are actually trying to win games. Then when the second surrender vote comes up you don't even really see it anymore.

If someone is actually afk for a while, he gets disconnected. If he keeps doing stuff to prevent that, chances are that he is either starting the surrender vote himself, or actively voting no to troll some more.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 06 2011 17:38 GMT
#2864
The only time you can really afford to defer kills to your carries is when an opponent gets caught or for whatever reason, after winning the initial part of a team fight, etc, you end up in a 2 or 3 v 1. For FB everyone will have flash so there are rarely circumstances when you can afford to not do as much damage as you can.

What I learned from playing 15ish ranked 5s games yesterday:

- Good teams ALWAYS invade, for that reason alone and for many others Alistar should always be the first or second pick no matter what comp you're running.

- In a support/AD bot lane, the support, vs most types of enemy junglers should try to ward the bot side bushes as often as possible. Good gankers will never go through the river if it's warded. On the other hand an amumu or LS gank from bot bush is almost impossible to stop if you don't expect it 100%. Warding the side bushes will also pretty much eliminate the threat of enemy CC supports like Alistar or Taric during laning, which will in turn allow your AD carry to either farm more comfortably or be more aggressive depending on the matchup.

- Seriously Alistar is really strong, for fights that take place in jungle areas with narrow pathing, Alistar is king and will win fights single handedly if you have the burst and CC to follow up.

- I don't know how to counter comps that have 4-5 AOE ults, something like amumu/morg/ashe/sona. No janna does not work. Brand is okay.

- Only way to lose a 5v4 is to baron

- WSC #1 lee sin
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 17:41:55
September 06 2011 17:38 GMT
#2865
On September 07 2011 02:24 Mogwai wrote:
Xin is just worse than everyone else like him after like 15:00. But goddamn, his pre-15:00 is pretty strong and you can steamroll the fuck out of baddies at that point.


Xin is like the only jungler with a 0 skill required low CD gap closer and large burst damage which is really useful on jungle melees who naturally aren't very tanky because of gold/level disadvatage. Noct ulti is a 1 time thing and xins Q pretty reliable also.

His burst damage+cc+gapcloser all within 3 seconds makes him strong, especially in lane the only problem is the fact that facerolling QWER can dominate bad's so it's probably why he's so strong in low elo.

Most junglers like amumu/LS/WW/Noct/Fiddle are either skill shot required or 1 time only and gp/udyr have only movement speed buffs.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
September 06 2011 17:39 GMT
#2866
On September 07 2011 02:24 Mogwai wrote:
Xin is just worse than everyone else like him after like 15:00. But goddamn, his pre-15:00 is pretty strong and you can punish people who make mistakes at that point.

fixd
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 06 2011 17:42 GMT
#2867
? Being super fed at 15 minutes = win game not punish mistakes lol.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 06 2011 17:44 GMT
#2868
On September 07 2011 02:38 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 02:24 Mogwai wrote:
Xin is just worse than everyone else like him after like 15:00. But goddamn, his pre-15:00 is pretty strong and you can steamroll the fuck out of baddies at that point.


Xin is like the only jungler with a 0 skill required low CD gap closer and large burst damage which is really useful on jungle melees who naturally aren't very tanky because of gold/level disadvatage. Noct ulti is a 1 time thing and xins Q pretty reliable also.

His burst damage+cc+gapcloser all within 3 seconds makes him strong, especially in lane the only problem is the fact that facerolling QWER can dominate bad's so it's probably why he's so strong in low elo.

Most junglers like amumu/LS/WW/Noct/Fiddle are either skill shot required or 1 time only and gp/udyr have only movement speed buffs.

I've actually been thinking that XtotheZ is really super duper underrated in lane. Seems to me he should actually dump on most guys in top lane.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 06 2011 17:45 GMT
#2869
Irelia vs XZ is pretty stupid.

I hit you~
You hit me~
We're a happy family
cuz we end up at full hp anyways.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 06 2011 17:46 GMT
#2870
Xin's early level burst is much stronger though. I think. It feels much stronger to me, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Maedi
Profile Joined August 2009
United States477 Posts
September 06 2011 17:47 GMT
#2871
On September 07 2011 02:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
The only time you can really afford to defer kills to your carries is when an opponent gets caught or for whatever reason, after winning the initial part of a team fight, etc, you end up in a 2 or 3 v 1. For FB everyone will have flash so there are rarely circumstances when you can afford to not do as much damage as you can.

What I learned from playing 15ish ranked 5s games yesterday:

- Good teams ALWAYS invade, for that reason alone and for many others Alistar should always be the first or second pick no matter what comp you're running.

- In a support/AD bot lane, the support, vs most types of enemy junglers should try to ward the bot side bushes as often as possible. Good gankers will never go through the river if it's warded. On the other hand an amumu or LS gank from bot bush is almost impossible to stop if you don't expect it 100%. Warding the side bushes will also pretty much eliminate the threat of enemy CC supports like Alistar or Taric during laning, which will in turn allow your AD carry to either farm more comfortably or be more aggressive depending on the matchup.

- Seriously Alistar is really strong, for fights that take place in jungle areas with narrow pathing, Alistar is king and will win fights single handedly if you have the burst and CC to follow up.

- I don't know how to counter comps that have 4-5 AOE ults, something like amumu/morg/ashe/sona. No janna does not work. Brand is okay.

- Only way to lose a 5v4 is to baron

- WSC #1 lee sin



You need Counter-CC for those ridiculous teams with AoE ults. Gragas/Orianna/Janna/etc. With teams like that, you have to be aware on the margin of error on your positioning
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 17:50:59
September 06 2011 17:48 GMT
#2872
It's strong but you both heal by attacking shit. Also XZ's burst is strong but like if you just stand there and attack back with W+E you both end up basically taking out the same amount of HP... over and over again. And then going back to full hp.

Edit:
My runez and masteriez probably help in this equation though. I'd imagine usually XZ walks through Irelia. It's also probably a matchup I'd wuss out and by Cloth + 5 pots.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 17:53:16
September 06 2011 17:48 GMT
#2873
Lane is really strong its just you need some kind of initiate on the team because he doesn't do it that well. He stomps a lot of people. He's like not that good against heavy sustain because he's somewhat burst based but especially levels like 2-7 he's super good.
He's not played because irelia generally does a better job in the game coming out of the solo lane and more robust in lane but xin stomps harder in lane than irelia you can beat a lot of people just bum rushing them at like level 3.

Irelia with armour stack probably beats xin zhao after like level 7 and then if you get a sheen you just rape because true damage is stupid.
Maybe if xin gets wriggles you just both attack each other.

It's not really about xin vs irelia though xin can dominate people that irelia doesn't because of burst damage. Irelia is more sustain based at least until she gets sheen.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 06 2011 17:55 GMT
#2874
Okay I guess I'll try to solo queue my way up to 2300 elo, wish me luck
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 06 2011 17:55 GMT
#2875
On September 07 2011 01:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 01:04 Brees wrote:
On September 07 2011 01:01 unichan wrote:
On September 07 2011 00:59 Brees wrote:
On September 07 2011 00:57 unichan wrote:
On September 07 2011 00:55 Brees wrote:
dont need an abbreviation for leblanc since no one plays her

hey man that's not cool that's like saying you don't need to make a womens bathroom in an engineering firm because there are no women there
they occasionally come by with food and stuff and then they need to go to the bathroom

and that is why you shouldn't make fun of champions just because they rarely ever get played


HI UNI

my dorm's bathroom was made for females so we have no urinals. did you know that rivington unbanned me?

aww what a nice guy! did you give him a "special hug" for it?
no urinals that's really racist ok the girls bathrooms at my school have no urinals either so i have to use the stalls when i have to pee. super racist


he's actually pretty mean he refused 100% at first but then talked it over with supervisors and gave me another chance. whats racist is that half the uconn basketball team lives in my dorm and they can barely fit in the elevator. They should design elevators for people of all races.

Considering that half the UConn basketball team is from Africa anyway, I'd say that an elevator you can barely fit in is better than no elevator at all. Btw we gonna suck this year w/o Kemba.


ANDRE DRUMMOND.

...would make a good champion concept
Brees on in
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 06 2011 17:56 GMT
#2876
You are theoretically 2300 elo already so it can't be that hard.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 06 2011 17:58 GMT
#2877
On September 07 2011 02:56 Slayer91 wrote:
You are theoretically 2300 elo already so it can't be that hard.

Yah that's what I mean, just gotta play some games to reach my true elo
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 18:02:31
September 06 2011 18:01 GMT
#2878
On September 07 2011 02:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:

- I don't know how to counter comps that have 4-5 AOE ults, something like amumu/morg/ashe/sona. No janna does not work. Brand is okay.


Gragas is a pretty good counter to AoE comps. Hit ult is very low cooldown and can be thrown anywhere at anytime, though it's obviously more useful against Morg/Nunu than instant ults like annie/mumu.

Failing Gragas you can also counter initiate with something like Annie or Ori as someone said.

Split pushers also force their team to split up which vastly reduces the effectiveness of an AoE comp. Just taking one person away from their team and being out of reach of their AoE ults means the rest of your team can breath a lot easier. If you can 1-3-1 push safely vs an aoe comp you've more or less just won the game if they're actually a dedicated AoE team since their power is now way too spread out.

If your team does not have matching AoE strength don't even bother fighting in the jungle except for river near baron/dragon. If you get channeled into a path somewhere and a bunch of AoE comes out your entire team just melts and dies. Fight in the open and don't crowd around baron or dragon until the big fight is over.

That said I don't think AoE comps are too big of an issue, though everyone and their mother has some kind of AoE skill nowadays.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 06 2011 18:01 GMT
#2879
lol, season's not even over until next week. Now I feel like a complete and utter retard for rushing to get gold on SmashGizbro. Fucking Riot could really afford to communicate important dates better.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
September 06 2011 18:11 GMT
#2880
so its still mid august at riot HQ, ok.
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