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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 06 2011 15:41 GMT
#2821
On September 07 2011 00:39 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 00:37 STS17 wrote:
On September 07 2011 00:28 Southlight wrote:That said, as I mentioned yesterday, that is a misconception. Many old-fashioned bot lanes crush support+1 right now, but people are too stupid to do it.


Like? *takes out notebook*

burst damage

something like janna + renekton
or i dunno whatever
tank + support
these two have huge cc together so if a jungler comes a kill is pmuch guaranteed


You just listed two support + 1 lanes at something that beats support + 1 lanes.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 15:49:18
September 06 2011 15:41 GMT
#2822
I dunno.... from a purely mathematical point of view, the support should take all the cs at the beginning of the game so that he can stack all three gold per five items right away and then utilize that gold advantage for the team via wards.

At least such is the way for your team to technically obtain the most "gold", though of course there are many problems with this
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 15:44:21
September 06 2011 15:43 GMT
#2823
On September 07 2011 00:41 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 00:39 unichan wrote:
On September 07 2011 00:37 STS17 wrote:
On September 07 2011 00:28 Southlight wrote:That said, as I mentioned yesterday, that is a misconception. Many old-fashioned bot lanes crush support+1 right now, but people are too stupid to do it.


Like? *takes out notebook*

burst damage

something like janna + renekton
or i dunno whatever
tank + support
these two have huge cc together so if a jungler comes a kill is pmuch guaranteed


You just listed two support + 1 lanes at something that beats support + 1 lanes.

oh i SEE i thought you meant support + ad
my bad
because when i read "old fashioned" that's what i thought of
it used to be support + tank bot or tank + tank bot
:)
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 15:47:40
September 06 2011 15:44 GMT
#2824
On September 07 2011 00:41 Southlight wrote:
Blitz Cow
Cow LBC
Kennen X
Morg X
Lux X
Sion X

Soraka is still a bitch because of her heal but if you can line up to magic damage you completely circumvent her "clutch" heal so you can counterpick her that way anyways.


Yeah you completely circumvent the armor from her heal but then have to deal with her passive...which is still less effective than the armor at least.

So your saying any disruption/heavy CC lane or AP + anyone basically?

I suppose two of my favorite duo lanes with my brother would also work, blitz sion and blitz heimer.

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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 06 2011 15:45 GMT
#2825
Jarman + Pantheon #1 bot lane IMHO. So many spears, so much testosterone. The other lane never stands a chance.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 06 2011 15:45 GMT
#2826
On September 07 2011 00:41 Southlight wrote:
Blitz Cow
Cow LBC
Kennen X
Morg X
Lux X
Sion X

Soraka is still a bitch because of her heal but if you can line up to magic damage you completely circumvent her "clutch" heal so you can counterpick her that way anyways.

Doesn't Cow count as "support" in those combos?
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 06 2011 15:46 GMT
#2827
no, cause he gets to farm in those lanes because his lanemate doesn't really need farm either.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 06 2011 15:48 GMT
#2828
blitz definitely needs farm

also what is LBC, leblanc?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 15:49:27
September 06 2011 15:49 GMT
#2829
Yeah, my entire point last page was that it doesn't matter what champions you stick in the lane or what they do, it's still better to stick farm on only one of them until later in the game. Even if neither champ actually requires much farm.

Hence, "support" is not strictly Janna utility champions, "support" is simply whichever champion decides to go 0 CS, because that decision is inevitable unless you can guarantee picking off the carry with jungle ganks or during teamfights.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 15:49:50
September 06 2011 15:49 GMT
#2830
Yeah the list is endless really. Annie + Brand for instance is pretty fucking stupid. Soraka's passive isn't enough to be honest. Really the bitchiness about Soraka was and still is that they can sit back for a while and heal up, but they nerfed that (thank god) by increasing her CD so it "takes more effort" for them to do it, which is enough.

Basically think back to like 4 months ago when people ran all manners of bullshit double stun/double nuke combos at bottom. All of those work just fine now, especially as most support heroes got their sustain axed.

Edit:
On September 07 2011 00:48 gtrsrs wrote:
blitz definitely needs farm

also what is LBC, leblanc?


Yeah Leblanc, I dunno why I abbreviate it like that.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
September 06 2011 15:51 GMT
#2831
On September 07 2011 00:49 Southlight wrote:
Yeah the list is endless really. Annie + Brand for instance is pretty fucking stupid. Soraka's passive isn't enough to be honest. Really the bitchiness about Soraka was and still is that they can sit back for a while and heal up, but they nerfed that (thank god) by increasing her CD so it "takes more effort" for them to do it, which is enough.

Basically think back to like 4 months ago when people ran all manners of bullshit double stun/double nuke combos at bottom. All of those work just fine now, especially as most support heroes got their sustain axed.

Edit:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 00:48 gtrsrs wrote:
blitz definitely needs farm

also what is LBC, leblanc?


Yeah Leblanc, I dunno why I abbreviate it like that.

its okay it's not as confusing as my friend calling caitlyn c8
:)
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 15:53:51
September 06 2011 15:52 GMT
#2832
lol, people call Jarvan J4 and it took me a long time to realize why.

Edit:
Oh right because LB = Lichbane.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
September 06 2011 15:55 GMT
#2833
or like when my other friend who doesn't play that much is playing ezreal and says "should i get TF? should i get TF???????!?!?!" and i'm like you're in a game playing ezreal WHy are you thinking about buying other champions
:)
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 06 2011 15:55 GMT
#2834
dont need an abbreviation for leblanc since no one plays her
Brees on in
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 06 2011 15:56 GMT
#2835
Smash loves her :[
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 15:57:55
September 06 2011 15:57 GMT
#2836
The old eve+zilean was so much fun, invisible bombs all day, eve+nidalee was fun too, big spears always hit, dunno if very effective tho.
On September 07 2011 00:55 Brees wrote:
dont need an abbreviation for leblanc since no one plays her

Dont'need an abbreviation because LeBonk es fun.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
September 06 2011 15:57 GMT
#2837
On September 07 2011 00:55 Brees wrote:
dont need an abbreviation for leblanc since no one plays her

hey man that's not cool that's like saying you don't need to make a womens bathroom in an engineering firm because there are no women there
they occasionally come by with food and stuff and then they need to go to the bathroom

and that is why you shouldn't make fun of champions just because they rarely ever get played
:)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 06 2011 15:58 GMT
#2838
I actually think at this point Sion is a perfectly acceptable aurabot for support. Less survivability when compared to cow, but if the game goes on long enough to where he can get a cap, thats a lot of hurt for 0 farm.

And one more thing that Riot has gotten away from in their quest to make everything scale: champions who just have good base damages and dont need all that much farm. Old annie was the closest we got to this- good base damage, really only needed a ROA for survivability, and scaled back late game. Now she has the same power curve as every other ap champ and needs as much farm. Kinda stupid imo.


But dont get me started about champ level/power curves. It PAINS me when I think about how homogenized some champs are starting to get in terms of power curves.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 06 2011 15:58 GMT
#2839
my 12 year old brother is good at her for some reason. 11-3-7 KDA @ 1700 elo lolol
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 15:58:57
September 06 2011 15:58 GMT
#2840
On September 07 2011 00:56 Southlight wrote:
Smash loves her :[

I really do. Just not as much as I love Karma.


On September 07 2011 00:58 Brees wrote:
my 12 year old brother is good at her for some reason. 11-3-7 KDA @ 1700 elo lolol

he knows how to roll his face on the keyboard every 30 seconds? Seriously, it's so stupid easy to get kills with leblanc in lane, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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