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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 14 2011 08:44 GMT
#441
On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:
On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?

Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.

Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership.


League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack
im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far
as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv

RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.

If they did this, the view count would be in the 6 digits, so yeah no.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
August 14 2011 09:07 GMT
#442
On August 14 2011 17:44 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:
On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:
On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?

Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.

Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership.


League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack
im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far
as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv

RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.

If they did this, the view count would be in the 6 digits, so yeah no.

It was six digits, actually, but still this rumor is definitely not true. There was a link to the stream in the client that you could click if you wanted to watch the Dreamhack competition, but simply having the client open did not count you as a viewer.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 14 2011 09:17 GMT
#443
On August 14 2011 18:07 crate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 17:44 Iplaythings wrote:
On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:
On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:
On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?

Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.

Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership.


League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack
im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far
as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv

RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.

If they did this, the view count would be in the 6 digits, so yeah no.

It was six digits, actually, but still this rumor is definitely not true. There was a link to the stream in the client that you could click if you wanted to watch the Dreamhack competition, but simply having the client open did not count you as a viewer.

I meant in the millions, as in 7 digits T_T

darn typos
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BankaiPwn
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 12:54:58
August 14 2011 12:53 GMT
#444
The people who are criticising LoL for being in the lineup have no idea on the fanbase that the game has.

Dreamhack at one point hit 200k viewers (note, 2x that of SC2's viewer count). It got there based on popularity, whether you like it or not it's going to be quite successful in the overall E--sports community.

Edit:

MLG always likes adding the more "popular" games, although I'll admit they haven't exactly worked out in the past (SSBB anyone?)

Its one of those things where even if you don't like the game, no need to criticize them for trying to spread the game.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
August 14 2011 13:16 GMT
#445
On August 14 2011 14:59 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope they realize a bo7 in LoL is going to take a minimum of 2.5 hours because a game is about 35-45 minutes at the level I play. ( I've never actually watched pros play- very boring to watch imo, but extremely fun to play) Well i guess it is only 4 teams so not too many games anyways. Hope it works out for them.. but i mean DotA 2 is coming out- why pick up LoL now?

It'll take like a fucking year to complete if it somehow happens to go 7 games. Probably looking at 40 minute games with like 15 minutes to pick and ban and get everyone ready.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 14 2011 13:27 GMT
#446
a bo7 is gonna take an entire day
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
August 14 2011 13:40 GMT
#447
On August 14 2011 22:16 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:59 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope they realize a bo7 in LoL is going to take a minimum of 2.5 hours because a game is about 35-45 minutes at the level I play. ( I've never actually watched pros play- very boring to watch imo, but extremely fun to play) Well i guess it is only 4 teams so not too many games anyways. Hope it works out for them.. but i mean DotA 2 is coming out- why pick up LoL now?

It'll take like a fucking year to complete if it somehow happens to go 7 games. Probably looking at 40 minute games with like 15 minutes to pick and ban and get everyone ready.


MLG uses the "extended series" though, and because LoL is going to be pool play every team will play every other team in a bo3 before the finals. So at most the finals will go to 5 games, and even that's unlikely because of the huge psychological disadvantage of starting a bo7 down 0-2.
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
August 14 2011 14:50 GMT
#448
On August 14 2011 22:40 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 22:16 Roffles wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:59 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope they realize a bo7 in LoL is going to take a minimum of 2.5 hours because a game is about 35-45 minutes at the level I play. ( I've never actually watched pros play- very boring to watch imo, but extremely fun to play) Well i guess it is only 4 teams so not too many games anyways. Hope it works out for them.. but i mean DotA 2 is coming out- why pick up LoL now?

It'll take like a fucking year to complete if it somehow happens to go 7 games. Probably looking at 40 minute games with like 15 minutes to pick and ban and get everyone ready.


MLG uses the "extended series" though, and because LoL is going to be pool play every team will play every other team in a bo3 before the finals. So at most the finals will go to 5 games, and even that's unlikely because of the huge psychological disadvantage of starting a bo7 down 0-2.


Tell that to MC.


Though, it will still be a long finals more than likely. LoL games can drag on even if one sided.
price
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
August 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#449
i guess i need to figure out what is going on so i can watch these games. right now to me it just looks like characters running at each other :|
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
dapanman
Profile Joined September 2010
United States316 Posts
August 14 2011 15:25 GMT
#450
I'd much rather watch DotA or HoN. So I guess I'm glad they didn't chose one of those; I won't have to watch another stream simultaneously.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
August 14 2011 16:34 GMT
#451
On August 15 2011 00:25 dapanman wrote:
I'd much rather watch DotA or HoN. So I guess I'm glad they didn't chose one of those; I won't have to watch another stream simultaneously.


Can't wait for Dota2 :D
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
August 14 2011 19:23 GMT
#452
Can we just put a warning at the top that any post bashing LoL or saying how much better some other game will be an automatic ban?

It's really gotten old.
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robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 20:07:53
August 14 2011 20:05 GMT
#453
On August 14 2011 13:31 kinger256 wrote:
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On August 14 2011 08:19 robertdinh wrote:
On August 14 2011 08:13 quickclickz wrote:
On August 14 2011 06:59 robertdinh wrote:
LoL has more potential as a spectator sport than sc2 (just my opinion)


I don't know where you see this potential from, but the game is still so under-developed as an Esport I can't see it being spectator-friendly. If you want a spectator friendly UI, SC2 is a clearly a good example, but also look at hon's spectator UI.. popouts of the items when everyone someone buys it... good detailed info on the stats from last hits, g/m, and just very informative and spectator-friendly. Furthermore, the lack of a pause function really makes LoL a joke when compared to any game such as this where one game could easily take 30+ minutes and restarting a game is a very controversial thing to do.

I'm not a HoN fanboy who hates LoL, seeing as I play both at a high level but the two games have issues that will stop them from being successful in the esports scene unless things change. S2 has a horrible esports department and marketing that they just lagged in player base and will never truly bring enough players or anywhere near LoL to make HoN a heavily-supported game. (remember advertising is everything when it comes to sponsors). Riot also runs LoL as a business and the game was 100% never intended to be concentrated as a esport at the start If you want to argue this, you'll have to explain the lack of a pause, when the bane of dota was the fact that pausing/reconnecting was impossible.. which was btw what made HoN very friendly to dota players. This is also ignoring the fact that they need to have a special server where all heroes are available and observer. Also you need to download a third-party program to get replays? This definitely does not seem to be the making of a game with esports in mind. Most esports-oriented games will try to start people on even-footing and let the skills take care of the rest, not provide perks in which people need to purchase or play for a while to earn. Riot runs LoL like a business, which is fine, but they haven't been and need to start making changes to the game that makes it spectator-friendly and develop it towards being a esport.


Potential being the key word... Any team based game has way more potential as an esport... Look at cs 1.6... look at even WoW. WoW arena was pathetic as an esport, and blizzard made it impossible to continue promoting it at lans... but it got more viewers than any other esport game.


Do you know about a game called BW? The most successful esport in the world. No game, let alone team games, right now (maybe except for SC2 with time) comes close to having the potential to mirror its success as an esport.


No, sorry, bw is the most successful esport in korea, not the world. It never took on a global scale to the degree that games like 1.6, quake series, and hell even WoW took.

Im not trying to downplay bw, i love it to death, much more than I love sc2, but when you look at esports you have to look at it thoroughly, what is big in what regions and why. Many have cited LoL as having tons of viewers for some event, WoW and CS have been known to have massive viewership in their primes as well. In korea 1v1 rts is king, outside of it, different picture.
True skill comes without effort.
BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 20:51:41
August 14 2011 20:49 GMT
#454
Remember how well WoW did in MLG? Bigger =/= better. I agree that this is good for e-sports but to use the amount of users that actively play it a day as a basis for how well the game is to do would not be an accurate representation. I'm sure both Halo and CoD have more players a day than SC2, but look at the spectator numbers for each game.

Yea but WoW is just, inarguably, a terrible e-sports game. It's painfully obvious the only reason it was attempted was the sheer amount of players that played the game. Spectating an arena match is basically just looking at health bars, that's it, it's just not fun.

DotA esque games are nowhere near that magnitude of horrible for observers, although I personally don't find them as enjoyable for RTS style games, it's a lot more watchable, and LoL has already proven that there's a big audience for the game.
Veritas.13
Profile Joined August 2010
United States48 Posts
August 14 2011 21:00 GMT
#455
Not a fan of LOL HoN style games as a spectator or a competitive sport but glad its coming to MLG.
Just wish that they would put money into SC2.....

People at MLG probably decided to not put that much money into SC2 cuz they know that SC2 will succeed despite the prize pool while other games *cough* Dota2 *cough* would not do as well without a massive prize pool.
Ill watch a game or two
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
August 14 2011 21:16 GMT
#456
On August 15 2011 06:00 Veritas.13 wrote:
Not a fan of LOL HoN style games as a spectator or a competitive sport but glad its coming to MLG.
Just wish that they would put money into SC2.....

People at MLG probably decided to not put that much money into SC2 cuz they know that SC2 will succeed despite the prize pool while other games *cough* Dota2 *cough* would not do as well without a massive prize pool.
Ill watch a game or two


The issue with the SC2 prize money was dealt with a while ago with Sundance on SotG iirc. MLG could not be certain of the success of SC2 during its planning phase last year and they also like to keep their prize pool approximately equivalent between the games (~$4000/1st place player). I think someone mentioned that they are reconsidering the policy of a static prize pool for next year, but who knows if that will happen.
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LancerStarcraft
Profile Joined July 2010
United States235 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 21:21:39
August 14 2011 21:20 GMT
#457
What is with all the hate. Guys need cool your jets, you don't HAVE to watch you know, but there are a quite a few people who enjoy watching League of Legends.

Personally I'll be watching both SC2 and LoL. Go Esports.
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Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
August 14 2011 21:26 GMT
#458
Cool im excited to see LoL being played but if its a bo7 wont that take like forever? Oh well i love alot of content!
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
August 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#459
LoL sux. Even subpar dota pubber can play it at highest levels...

User was temp banned for this post.
rewtamus
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States327 Posts
August 14 2011 21:57 GMT
#460
On August 15 2011 06:53 Zhul wrote:
LoL sux. Even subpar dota pubber can play it at highest levels...


because they are both moba's? cool observation bro!

i am a lol player that tried dota and hon and can play them both at a high level... this is surprising to you?

people need to stop the LoL bashing.. reported
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