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MLG just announced that League of Legends is being added to the MLG Pro Circuit starting with Raleigh with $20k in prizes up for grabs.
Once in a great while, a game comes along that is a perfect fit for the Major League Gaming Pro Circuit. We look for games that are exceptional: games that promise a consistently high level of competitive play, games that fans love to watch, games with the potential to be part of people’s lives for years to come. And now, we’ve found our newest game. We are incredibly excited to announce that, starting at MLG Raleigh, MLG will be partnering with Riot Games to bring you League of Legends (LoL) on the Pro Circuit. LoL made a huge splash on the competitive scene with its debut in 2010, and it has been casting its spell over an ever-growing community of talented players and dedicated fans ever since. We are honored to welcome LoL to the MLG family, and we can’t wait to watch it in action as an official Pro Circuit title. The DetailsBecause we’re adding LoL midway through the 2011 Season, we’ll be starting small, but in style. We’re inviting four of the best teams in North America, and, with the support of Riot Games, we’ll be covering their travel costs. Matches will be played during the Saturday and Sunday of MLG Raleigh, and we will be streaming them live. - The teams: Epik Gaming, Curse Gaming, Team Solo Mid, and Counter Logic Gaming
- The format: 5v5, Bo3 Pool Play. The Top 2 teams will play an extended series Bo7 for the Championship
- The prizes: $20,000 is on the line
- $12,500 for the 1st Place team
- $7,500 for 2nd Place
The schedule (in ET):Saturday 10:00AM – 8:00PM Streamed Pool Play Matches Sunday 10:00AM – 1:45PM Streamed Championship Finals League of Legends joins an already stacked Pro Circuit lineup that consists of StarCraft 2, Halo: Reach, and Call of Duty: Black Ops. There’s never been a more exciting time for competitive gaming. How much further will it go, and how much better will it get? Choose your runes, start working on your last hits, and come to Raleigh to see for yourself.
Official news release:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/league-of-legends-joins-the-mlg-pro-circuit
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I can only hope they continue this for Orlando too. So many happy nerds will be there
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WOOT WOOT, just started play LOL in my off time. Very glad to see that.
MLG Fighting.
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hmmm cool but only 4 teams that will like fill only saterday orso
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Only 4 teams seems a bit sad, hope they can step it up in the next event ^^
Anyway, loving it when they add new games, GJ MLG!
Are those teams any good? I don't follow LoL at all so I don't know.
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Always great to see MLG getting bigger, and adding more games. I'm curious if Riot themselves are sponsoring the prize pool, cause iirc they did that for Dreamhack. Not that it matters, just curiosity.
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i stopped following LoL not long after dreamhack. for anyone that follows pro LoL, is anyone i would've known before dreamhack on curse gaming?
otherwise this is a pretty sick set of invites. top 3 NA teams before i stopped watching LoL
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dont know much about LOL but this can only be good for e-sports
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Never heard of Curse Gaming, but looking forward to CLG vs TSM finals 
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United States37500 Posts
Riot is most likely chipping in for the prize. Everything they do now is to offset what Valve is doing.
Yes, this seems like very little time before MLG Raleigh that LoL is suddenly/officially announced for MLG. But I'm sure Riot is pushing to have it in this MLG, instead of Orlando. They're comp'ing all the travel expenses no less.
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Eck. This game is so bad as a spectator sport 
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Never once played this game or even watched a stream/someone else play...
But I hear it has a large following so here's one to more money for MLG!
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On August 13 2011 06:43 Pibacc wrote:Never heard of Curse Gaming, but looking forward to CLG vs TSM finals
Team formerly known as unR.
Liquid119, Nyjacky, Doublelift, Pobelter, DontMashMe, Lapaka
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Very nice these are the good NA teams. The brothers are gona have some epic matches togeather. glad Fanatic isn't there they would make it a stomp fest :p
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I can only say that I'm happy people are supporting this game. I've been playing ~250 games over the past 2 months. It's been with great pleasure, keep it coming!
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Thats awesome. There is now officially too much to watch at MLG. Two sc2 streams and some lol? goodbye social life, i will miss you.
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On August 13 2011 06:41 Shadowcloak wrote:
hmmm cool but only 4 teams that will like fill only saterday orso
On August 13 2011 06:41 Vapaach wrote:
Only 4 teams seems a bit sad, hope they can step it up in the next event ^^
Anyway, loving it when they add new games, GJ MLG!
Are those teams any good? I don't follow LoL at all so I don't know.
idk, a best of 7 in a dota style game is multiple hours long. it's actually retarded how much time it takes to play that many games, most tournaments only do bo5 at the semis/finals. now that you brought it to my attention... it's a pretty interesting way to run the tournament
i'm wondering how it will turn out because there is a huge HUGE part of the game that involves hero picks and bans, and a lot of them are based on previous games. some games you could say are won and lost at the hero selection screen... and with 4 games minimum being played, there is a lot of potential in shenanigans the likes of which are rarely seen due to the lack of any tournament hosting more than bo3
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So many haters are gonna hate this but hey, that's just what they do.
Go Go LoL ESPORTS!!
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I'll watch some games at Raleigh
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On August 13 2011 06:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Riot is most likely chipping in for the prize. Everything they do now is to offset what Valve is doing.
Yes, this seems like very little time before MLG Raleigh that LoL is suddenly/officially announced for MLG. But I'm sure Riot is pushing to have it in this MLG, instead of Orlando. They're comp'ing all the travel expenses no less.
i was about to get super mad :D that mlg would suddenly find money to support lol when they said there was none when sc2 broke into the scene. but if this is a riot funded addition, atleast for the first event them im 100% for mlg expanding to more games
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wait they have a larger prise pool than SC II ??? WTF
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imagine a bo7 of an on average 45 minute games O.o
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On August 13 2011 06:48 Chrispy wrote:
So many haters are gonna hate this but hey, that's just what they do.
Go Go LoL ESPORTS!!
This.
MLG including a big spectator game like LoL is good for the gaming community. It doesn't matter if you play LoL or HoN. You can't really argue LoL's viewership numbers. If anything, more companies should care more like Riot and push to have their games in ESPORTS.
Let's leave flames about whether LoL "deserves" to be in MLG at the door.
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On August 13 2011 06:50 nolife1235 wrote:
wait they have a larger prise pool than SC II ??? WTF
Split among 5 players per team. Also as Neo said Riot has most likely chipped in.
On August 13 2011 06:50 Craminit wrote:
imagine a bo7 of an on average 45 minute games O.o
Keep in mind it is bo7 'extended series' so really its just another bo3, with a possible extra game if the disadvantaged team ties it back up.
The biggest thing is will LoL be able to sustain a LAN presence, currently there are only 3-4 teams who are signed to already branded teams like SK or Fnatic from Europe, while most of the North American teams are self started brands much like ROOT Gaming was, they are trying to establish their own brands through their websites which include ton of awesome content for the community.
I can't see European teams sending 5 players overseas to every event, let alone the NA teams. But who knows only time will tell. Maybe riot will keep picking up the tab.
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Damn, that's pretty crazy. Glad MLG picked up LoL
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It's nice.. But I always was a big Dota fan , and a big percentage if lol and hon players are using these games as something they have to live with till Dota 2 comes out.. Plus lol is the easier version I think..(I don't have enough experience with lol just 100 games) so I think that if dota manages to get as big in the us as it did in eu and asia then lol will have a small run in MLg..
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LoL isn't my cup of tea for spectating, but I'll gladly welcome more attention to MLG for having it there. This is an amazing thing for MLG.
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On August 13 2011 06:53 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:48 Chrispy wrote:
So many haters are gonna hate this but hey, that's just what they do.
Go Go LoL ESPORTS!! This. MLG including a big spectator game like LoL is good for the gaming community. It doesn't matter if you play LoL or HoN. You can't really argue LoL's viewership numbers. If anything, more companies should care more like Riot and push to have their games in ESPORTS. Let's leave flames about whether LoL "deserves" to be in MLG at the door.
Saying LoL doesn't deserve to be at MLG or any other tourney is like saying ice hockey doesn't deserve to be on ESPN. I don't care if there are other sports I may not be interested in. But the growth of sports as a whole is good.
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They shoudl probably get some more teams in for the next tournament and spread out the prizes a bit.
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sc2 is still better
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Wonder how they picked the 'best 4 teams'
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why not wait for dota2? making a decision between 3 games when 1 is not out.. i would not do that,
but we will see .)
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I really hope they get good, knowledgeable casters instead of the normal NESL or Riot people.
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?? The only team that could arguably be on that list would be Rock Solid in replace of Epik Gamer.
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On August 13 2011 06:58 LuckstYle wrote:
why not wait for dota2? making a decision between 3 games when 1 is not out.. i would not do that,
but we will see .)
They're not making a decision between 3 games, they're picking up a sport which has had an huge amount of viewers at prior events.
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GOGO Solo Mid
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It was only a matter of time. With LOL's huge fanbase this will surely help MLG, can't say the same about Halo or COD though
Bummed for only 4 teams :/
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I don't play LOL at all and I don't even know anything except it is free and it is a MOBA, but I'll check it out during MLG.
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On August 13 2011 06:56 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
They shoudl probably get some more teams in for the next tournament and spread out the prizes a bit.
With only ~14 days before MLG Raleigh, it's probably easier and cheaper to just invite some NA teams. I'm fairly positive at Orlando, we'll see some EU teams.
On August 13 2011 06:57 gtrsrs wrote:
Wonder how they picked the 'best 4 teams'
CLG, TSM, EG can't really be debated. Crs is eh. Who instead of them though? coL? GoSu? RS?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Good move, LoL is a large game I am sure it will attract alot of viewers especially if they Riot advertises it right once again.
No Against All Authority tho :<.
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On August 13 2011 07:00 Chenz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:58 LuckstYle wrote:
why not wait for dota2? making a decision between 3 games when 1 is not out.. i would not do that,
but we will see .) They're not making a decision between 3 games, they're picking up a sport which has had an huge amount of viewers at prior events.
game that is a "clone" of dota(2) and hon.
they wont pick annother one of those, so why they already decide? dota2 will be huge...
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What a joke 20k for such a bad game wheres the 20k sc2 pool?
edit* i guess its 5v5 so that kinda works it out
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sick. I never got into LoL but if they're added to MLG than you are helping Esports, rather than ruining esports.
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Good news for LoL players. Hope it will be entertaining, dont know anything about this game but im going to watch some games ^^
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Awesome I guess. Too bad that LoL, HoN, Dota is a bad spectator sport. It's a bit like wow arena but not as extreme
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So they took all of that money from our subscriptions and put that into another game? Where is our $20K pool?
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On August 13 2011 07:04 JoeAWESOME wrote:
Awesome I guess. Too bad that LoL, HoN, Dota is a bad spectator sport. It's a bit like wow arena but not as extreme
Agreed it's extremely boring to watch.
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On August 13 2011 07:04 stormchaser wrote:
So they took all of that money from our subscriptions and put that into another game? Where is our $20K pool?
20k split between 5 people
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cool, it'll be interesting to see how well this games does as an esports
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On August 13 2011 06:53 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:48 Chrispy wrote:
So many haters are gonna hate this but hey, that's just what they do.
Go Go LoL ESPORTS!! This. MLG including a big spectator game like LoL is good for the gaming community. It doesn't matter if you play LoL or HoN. You can't really argue LoL's viewership numbers. If anything, more companies should care more like Riot and push to have their games in ESPORTS. Let's leave flames about whether LoL "deserves" to be in MLG at the door.
This, thisthis. Yea LoL isn't the most fun to watch, but if it pushes a major organization to get more numbers all the better.
We need this - badly. SC2 can only expand so much without a new genre also helping out. Keep talking keep spreading and keep supporting e-sports.
Last thing: BE HAPPY FOR LOL. NO ONE IS ENCROACHING ON THE SC2 ESPORTS HEGEMONY.
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On August 13 2011 06:41 Vapaach wrote:
Only 4 teams seems a bit sad, hope they can step it up in the next event ^^
Anyway, loving it when they add new games, GJ MLG!
Are those teams any good? I don't follow LoL at all so I don't know.
TSM, CLG, and EG are 3 of the best north american teams, can't speak for that last one though cause I haven't heard of them before.
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Seems cool, but would've rather seen those money in the sc2 prizepool tbh
/nvmgogomlg
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why LoL ... HoN and DotA more competitive / more fun for fans.
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Would've preferred Rock Solid to Curse, but should be pretty good games regardless. Hopefully EG gets a good amount of practice with PGB beforehand.
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On August 13 2011 07:07 Eppa! wrote:
Where are EU invites :O
Seeing that it's just 4 teams and its started half way through the current season, It's more of a dry run to for logistic purposes, much like Sc2's first MLG event. It doesn't seem worth it to fly over 5 people per team from EU when they are picking up the travel tab, when four teams is sufficient for their first event.
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On August 13 2011 07:07 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:41 Vapaach wrote:
Only 4 teams seems a bit sad, hope they can step it up in the next event ^^
Anyway, loving it when they add new games, GJ MLG!
Are those teams any good? I don't follow LoL at all so I don't know. TSM, CLG, and EG are 3 of the best north american teams, can't speak for that last one though cause I haven't heard of them before.
Crs is unR, an extremely high skill team consisting of Pobelter, Lapaka, Doublelift, Nyjacky, and another player I can't remember, their Captain/Support player is Liquid112. They actually have a 10+ member Roster, but those 6 are their core. They've beaten all 3 other teams at recent events and are generally very competitive.
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good to see more games at esports events, now bring on SSFIV =D
I would like to get to know LoL since I havent ever played anything dota realted, anyone know a good place to do so?
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Vancouver14381 Posts
It'll be interesting to see how the travel affect CLG and TSM. They're playing at gamescom less than a week before Raleigh.
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On August 13 2011 07:11 Paramo wrote:
good to see more games at esports events, now bring on SSFIV =D
I would like to get to know LoL since I havent ever played anything dota realted, anyone know a good place to do so?
Check out the LoL subforum.
On August 13 2011 07:13 JBright wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how the travel affect CLG and TSM. They're playing at gamescom less than a week before Raleigh.
Riot is flying them from Colonge to Raleigh.
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Great move MLG, LoL is fun to watch, hope it goes well for you.
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LOL is all I have to say!
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Like others, I'm not too sure about the best of 7 thing. A 7 game series could last 4+ hours. They really need to look at that.
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Just started playing LoL too for fun abit casual, it's great my first serious dota like game
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A bo7 sounds insane for this game
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The more the merrier I say
Hats off to MLG and Riot
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Again, its a bo7 extended series, lets say Team A wins 2-1 over team B, they only need to win 2 before the other team wins 3, It's basically another bo3 with a chance at an extra game possibly two if one team is up 2-0, but chances are that team will take 2 before an extra game occurs, not as insane as people think.
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Gotta love the LoL! Good stuff, hopefully they will add more teams and up the prizes for the next MLG
edit: Also, I think that LoL is pretty fun to watch.
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Only 4 teams (20 people?) yet a bigger prize pool than SC2 already.
Hope people watch it and enjoy it. I'll probably have it open a bit, if there aren't any super-epic SC2 matches going down.
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maybe people will play a bit more agressive and start to break up the passive farmfest we have seen in recent tournaments with BO1 or BO3.
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Hmmm, interesting. This midseason addition reminds me a lot of how they introduced sc2 last year. Looks like they're considering it seriously. How are the viewer/vistor/competitor numbers for halo and black ops? Seems to me mlg cant really fully support 4 games. So if LoL does well... i'd imagine black ops is done for next season?
tbh i dunno much about lol, but i'd love to see some sf4. Maybe an evo qualifier or something smallish?
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i hate lol, dota 2 so close, even hon's way better.
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I might watch a few games. For eSports!
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On August 13 2011 07:24 ThaZenith wrote:
Only 4 teams (20 people?) yet a bigger prize pool than SC2 already.
Hope people watch it and enjoy it. I'll probably have it open a bit, if there aren't any super-epic SC2 matches going down.
Yea, I mean I understand a higher prize pool for a team game, but when you also factor in that SC2 attracts a 256-player open bracket plus groups we're comparing ~276 players and 14K vs 20 players and 20K.
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Good pick up by MLG. Growing E-sports cannot be done alone by one game, we need to band together to make it work.
Would totally love it if MLG picks up Super Street Fighter IV as well.
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It's great to see LoL at MLG, hoping that these teams will produce some quality games, I wonder how the streams are gonna handle the possible amount of LoL viewers on top of the number that SC2 has.
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riot is probably paying for everything, so don't freak out about the prize pool
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I hope HotShot is gonna be playing Nidalee 
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idk Why people keep mentioning HoN
LOL with 15 million players compare to HoN's 500,000? OFC LOL is the obvious pick between the two.
TSM fighting!! Love playing Sc2 and LOL so this is a good news
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They had a press release about MK9 too but nothing about it coming on for a full tournament year :>
Hope they get a fighter soon. MvC3 preferably but gonna have to smooth it over with Capcom.
LoL being here will be cool. Definitely check it out that weekend.
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Tbh I have never paid any attention to LoL. Maybe now I'll watch some during breaks in the SC2 streams. I know though that when I have accidently caught LoL being streamed on TL I've never been captivated by it. Grats though MLG, hope it all works out.
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It will be a nice change in pace to have another rts at MLG... looking forward to watching a few.
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I will only watch matches that involve Corporate Mundo :D. I wonder what the rules will be for picking/banning characters - the lack of enforcement of any reasonable time constraint has always been a big draw back for my viewing experience.
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It's fun to play for sure, have to have a check at what it is like to watch. Haven't had a chance to see it yet.
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wheres the dota at
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On August 13 2011 06:43 Lumi wrote:Eck. This game is so bad as a spectator sport
I define SC2 as a bad spectator sport, you define LoL as one, but I dont go into a thread about sc2 talking about how I prefer BW since that doesnt matter
Dont air that in a thread for LoL, its unnecessary..
On August 13 2011 07:38 Kennigit wrote:
I will only watch matches that involve Corporate Mundo :D. I wonder what the rules will be for picking/banning characters - the lack of enforcement of any reasonable time constraint has always been a big draw back for my viewing experience.
Chauster actually played Mundo @ dream doubt youre gonna see much to him though :d
Rules for bans/picks is usually 2 bans per team, 1st team bans first, then second team bans 2, then first team ban the last one, then the second team get first, then it goes 1st and 2nd on the first team who can pick, then 2nd and 3rd on the second team, and so on.
Thats what they had so far, though they had some 3 ban per team some time, though the concept for the picks has allways been the same
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On August 13 2011 07:38 Kennigit wrote:
I will only watch matches that involve Corporate Mundo :D. I wonder what the rules will be for picking/banning characters - the lack of enforcement of any reasonable time constraint has always been a big draw back for my viewing experience.
It's prob the same as IEM or Dreamhack
3 Champ bans for each team
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On August 13 2011 07:38 Kennigit wrote:
I will only watch matches that involve Corporate Mundo :D. I wonder what the rules will be for picking/banning characters - the lack of enforcement of any reasonable time constraint has always been a big draw back for my viewing experience.
I think they already have a system where it's exactly like Ranked matches where you've got 30 seconds to ban/pick except this time there are 6 bans instead of 4. I think they had this at Dreamhack? I can't remember.
Anyways I think they're planning on releasing this for the public too sometime in the future.
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On August 13 2011 07:38 Kennigit wrote:
I will only watch matches that involve Corporate Mundo :D. I wonder what the rules will be for picking/banning characters - the lack of enforcement of any reasonable time constraint has always been a big draw back for my viewing experience.
Assuming they will using their spectator client which has a built in ban/pick thing i'd assume it will be the same process which takes a little under 3-5 minutes if I'm not mistaken. About 30 seconds per pick/ban. Don't quote me though.
edit to poster below me, extended series bo7, not a bo7, its basically another bo3 with a chance at an extra game.
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Does MLG not know how long a BO7 will last...?
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This is great! But, wasn't this already announced a month ago?
Also a little disappointed there will be no european teams present...but I guess this is just the inaugural run. Wasn't even aware that Curse had a LoL team.
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Good to see, hopefully LoL can pick up the torch and not drop the ball 
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Wasn't this announced a while ago? I guess MLG wanted to keep it on the down-low for some reason.
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On August 13 2011 06:43 Lumi wrote:Eck. This game is so bad as a spectator sport
What?
Explica!
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Is that a bigger prize pool than sc2 :C?
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On August 13 2011 07:45 Novalisk wrote:
Wasn't this announced a while ago? I guess MLG wanted to keep it on the down-low for some reason.
People tend to take anything Sundance tweets as an announcement, even though alot of them never happened, he just likes to gauge the community interest when he asks if people would like to see a game at an event.
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On August 13 2011 07:43 Xplitcit wrote:
Does MLG not know how long a BO7 will last...?
Thats why its only 4 teams
Prob so the Final will take one day
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i dont care about LoL, but nice for them
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On August 13 2011 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:11 Paramo wrote:
good to see more games at esports events, now bring on SSFIV =D
I would like to get to know LoL since I havent ever played anything dota realted, anyone know a good place to do so? Check out the LoL subforum. Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:13 JBright wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how the travel affect CLG and TSM. They're playing at gamescom less than a week before Raleigh. Riot is flying them from Colonge to Raleigh.
It's good to know that Riot is going to cover the cost of the flights since both teams had to fundraise to go to gamescom.
I was wondering more about the strain of the travel since they're flying for >10h twice within a week.
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Very excited for this. I'll definetely be tuning in when something exciting isn't happening on SC2 stream
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they get more money than SC2? lol
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kinda disappointed in mlg. LoL is not a good competitive game at all. so many flaws in the game
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It's a risky move, especially with DOTA 2 coming out so soon.
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Shame the best teams in the world won't be there
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For the love of God, MLG please don't stream on Own3d.tv. I don't want to look at a black screen for half the time I'm trying to watch the game.
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Dammit why is SC so unpopular. To me it seems like a better game and for sure a much better spectator sport than the rest. I seriously can't believe the number 3 dota like game with dota 2 coming soon just pops out of noowhere and mlg are willing to offer to the winners more $ than to the SC players.
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On August 13 2011 07:51 Polskaa wrote:
they get more money than SC2? lol
Riot Games is in all likelihood paying for that prizepool. Riot has been pushing LoL on tournaments for a while trying to get entrenched before Dota 2 comes out.
Too bad LoL went the way of casual rather than competitive gameplay, it could have been so much fun to watch.
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On August 13 2011 07:53 broz0rs wrote:
For the love of God, MLG please don't stream on Own3d.tv. I don't want to look at a black screen for half the time I'm trying to watch the game.
They're obviously going to use the same Octoshape stream they've been using for their own streams.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On August 13 2011 07:51 Polskaa wrote:
they get more money than SC2? lol
As several people have said on the first page, it is very likely that Riot is chipping in for the prize pool so that it makes the choice for MLG that much easier. Think of it this way - the SC2 prize pool would be much larger if Blizzard chipped in as well.
On August 13 2011 07:53 broz0rs wrote:
For the love of God, MLG please don't stream on Own3d.tv. I don't want to look at a black screen for half the time I'm trying to watch the game.
MLG has their own streaming platform and I think they partnered up with justin.tv, so it probably won't be own3d.tv. Dreamhack and its qualifiers were own3d because they are run by (N)ESL and that's what they use.
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People bitching about the prize pool are missing the fact that (like Halo and CoD) the prize is divided between the individual team members. Yes, they have a slightly higher prize pool, but that's because that has to be shared between several people.
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On August 13 2011 07:54 Abrafred wrote:
Dammit why is SC so unpopular. To me it seems like a better game and for sure a much better spectator sport than the rest. I seriously can't believe the number 3 dota like game with dota 2 coming soon just pops out of noowhere and mlg are willing to offer to the winners more $ than to the SC players.
By that logic Halo gets more money than sc2 even though It probably has a fraction of the viewers. Remember it is split among FIVE players ,not to mention that the game simply has more active players both halo and LoL.
But don't confuse numbers for "unpopular" the Sc2 community easily has the most amount of players to spectators, while games like halo have WAY more players than spectators but that doesn't make games "unpopular"
Also there is no way to rank "number 3 dota like game" LoL is not dota it appeals to different audiences and will be here to stay even with DotA 2's release, maybe not on a competitive level, but on a playerbase level.
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I have never been into league of legends but im glad MLG is expanding their roster of games.
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I deleted LoL and bought SC2, but I'm happy that LoL is running strong. They emailed me an overview of a new gameplay that ALMOST drew me back in....but then I reaffirmed my devotion to SC2 and stopped myself.
Hurray!
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What the hell is with all the LoL bashing. It's wasting space in this forum. LoL is just as competitive as SC in its own way. People need to lead and micromanage their whole team to secure victory. It's not as easy as qwer win. So many players ladder to get top Elo and wave their epeens as much as SC. Acknowledge ESPORTS
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On August 13 2011 06:58 LuckstYle wrote:
why not wait for dota2? making a decision between 3 games when 1 is not out.. i would not do that,
but we will see .)
Because LoL is way bigger and dota2 will not crush LoL like everyone think. :/
Glad to see this game at MLG. I play it a lot, it's very fun and easy to understand for newcomer.
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On August 13 2011 08:01 R04R wrote:
What the hell is with all the LoL bashing. It's wasting space in this forum. LoL is just as competitive as SC in its own way. People need to lead and micromanage their whole team to secure victory. It's not as easy as qwer win. So many players ladder to get top Elo and wave their epeens as much as SC. Acknowledge ESPORTS
it's natural for them to feel threatened. LoL has a massive following and it will draw in huge numbers for MLG. there have been LoL streams that pushed well above 100k while sc2 maxed out at around 90k during NASL and DH finals. it wont take the main stage though, i guarantee that.
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On August 13 2011 08:00 StyLeD wrote:
I deleted LoL and bought SC2, but I'm happy that LoL is running strong. They emailed me an overview of a new gameplay that ALMOST drew me back in....but then I reaffirmed my devotion to SC2 and stopped myself.
Hurray!
Because playing two games is blasphemy? Enjoy both if you like both.
Related to thread: I like this choice, if the viewcount at Dreamhack was any indication, people like watching this game, despite it's slower early pace..it can only be good for MLG.
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It is a step in the right direction guys...GO ESPORTS!!!
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Never watched any of it or played any of it before, but if MLG likes it, I will for sure watch some [:
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Good for eSports, but as many people have mentioned, LoL is kinda bad spectator game due to game length and high chance of very passive gameplay.
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HON is better. 
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On August 13 2011 06:44 Invoker wrote:
It should have been HoN.
I agree, but it's not long till DotA2 comes out, and MLG would be crazy not to pick it up. I can sort of understand why they picked up HoN over LoL tho, it has a way larger playerbase. However, I don't think the people who don't play it will appreciate the endless ricing that earlygame LoL consists of. Another reason for the LoL pickup is probably RIOT's eagerness to promote their game (as displayed with WCG etc.), HoN has taken a more laidback approach and only recently seems to have adopted their rivals offensive marketing strategies.
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On August 13 2011 06:41 Vapaach wrote:
Only 4 teams seems a bit sad, hope they can step it up in the next event ^^
Anyway, loving it when they add new games, GJ MLG!
Are those teams any good? I don't follow LoL at all so I don't know.
There won't be a next event, next MLG will have HoN and they'll decide which to keep after
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On August 13 2011 07:51 Polskaa wrote:
they get more money than SC2? lol
It's split 5-ways, so technically they're getting half.
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On August 13 2011 08:14 Nivoh wrote:I agree, but it's not long till DotA2 comes out, and MLG would be crazy not to pick it up. I can sort of understand why they picked up HoN over LoL tho, it has a way larger playerbase. However, I don't think the people who don't play it will appreciate the endless ricing that earlygame LoL consists of. Another reason for the LoL pickup is probably RIOT's eagerness to promote their game (as displayed with WCG etc.), HoN has taken a more laidback approach and only recently seems to have adopted their rivals offensive marketing strategies.
As Lee said on twitter to HuK, the two(three) games may not be exclusive. http://twitter.com/#!/MLGLee/status/102145350638383104
Right now, LoL is the leader in terms of viewership and when HoN/DotA2 get comparable player base/viewers, MLG will likely add them in. Sundance even said on twitter that HoN could happen at MLG less than 2 weeks ago. http://twitter.com/#!/MLGSundance/status/97539903470047232
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Whoa, cool! I"m wondering if they're lining something up to replace COD...
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On August 13 2011 06:44 Invoker wrote:
It should have been HoN.
Apparently HoN is coming...but having both would be dumb. I completely agree, though. Look atll the sponsored teams LoL has, I've definitely heard of...none of them.
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You guys better not lose to the LoL fans, in terms of crowd volume.
From what I've seen of their fans, they can be pretty rabid and zealous. (in a good way)
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On August 13 2011 06:43 Lumi wrote:Eck. This game is so bad as a spectator sport
Ehh, it's no SC2, but it couldn't be as bad as CoD. Don't get me wrong, I love to play CoD, but I'd rather watch paint dry than a pro CoD match.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
Coolio. Get to see more epic facechecking from Dan Dinh and maybe Doublelift.
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I am excited, its honestly pretty fun to watch the LoL tournaments.
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Great pickup for the LoL community. Are people seriously not using their brains? LoL is a TEAM GAME that is split between the players.
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On August 13 2011 08:11 Lazeh wrote:
Good for eSports, but as many people have mentioned, LoL is kinda bad spectator game due to game length and high chance of very passive gameplay.
have you actually played lol? the first battles happen sooner than any bunker rush in sc2
my only concern is that if the venue they are going to for raleigh has space for added games ; /
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Not a huge fan of LoL, but I support Esport in any form.
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How would HoN be better for MLG than LoL? The NA HoN teams haven't been stable for months, maybe if MLG had an EU division.
I wouldn't call LoL a bad spectator esport if 200k people are willing to watch it on stream. That just screams potential.
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MOBAs can be really hard to spectate unless you have experience playing them, due to the huge amount of champions/abilities/items etc. that you need to understand.
LoL's playerbase is big enough that this probably won't be a problem, but it's not like SC2 where you can show the game to any random non-gamer and they can still enjoy it.
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On August 13 2011 08:32 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:11 Lazeh wrote:
Good for eSports, but as many people have mentioned, LoL is kinda bad spectator game due to game length and high chance of very passive gameplay. have you actually played lol? the first battles happen sooner than any bunker rush in sc2 my only concern is that if the venue they are going to for raleigh has space for added games ; /
At high level people don't really facecheck bushes if you know what I mean :S
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On August 13 2011 08:40 sevia wrote:
MOBAs can be really hard to spectate unless you have experience playing them, due to the huge amount of champions/abilities/items etc. that you need to understand.
LoL's playerbase is big enough that this probably won't be a problem, but it's not like SC2 where you can show the game to any random non-gamer and they can still enjoy it.
Riot needs to do what i suggested a while ago and make short vids showing all of a characters abilities that they can then play during champ select to liven up the process.
Of course, Riot refuses to hire me, so no one is actually capable of telling them to do that.
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Never saw LoL being played at a professional level so I think I'll watch a few games out of interest maybe I'll start watching it more alongside SC2 and BW.
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On August 13 2011 08:41 SpiZe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:32 turdburgler wrote:On August 13 2011 08:11 Lazeh wrote:
Good for eSports, but as many people have mentioned, LoL is kinda bad spectator game due to game length and high chance of very passive gameplay. have you actually played lol? the first battles happen sooner than any bunker rush in sc2 my only concern is that if the venue they are going to for raleigh has space for added games ; / At high level people don't really facecheck bushes if you know what I mean :S
Clearly you haven't seen much Doublelift.
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On August 13 2011 08:41 SpiZe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:32 turdburgler wrote:On August 13 2011 08:11 Lazeh wrote:
Good for eSports, but as many people have mentioned, LoL is kinda bad spectator game due to game length and high chance of very passive gameplay. have you actually played lol? the first battles happen sooner than any bunker rush in sc2 my only concern is that if the venue they are going to for raleigh has space for added games ; / At high level people don't really facecheck bushes if you know what I mean :S
Doublelift es #1 facechecker.
Just because they don't facecheck doesn't mean jungle invasions don't occur and the occasional level 1 fight doesn't happen.
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A suggestion for MLG that should be considered.
Occassionally turn on team voice chat.
+ Show Spoiler +Especially when Dyrus is playing
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Is the Curse Gaming team related to the curse gaming WoW addon site? I probably won't watch either way, but I'm just curious.
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Crs was formerly unR (Unrestricted eSports) but yes, Curse the WoW addon site is currently sponsoring them.
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On August 13 2011 06:46 Herculix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:41 Shadowcloak wrote:
hmmm cool but only 4 teams that will like fill only saterday orso
Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:41 Vapaach wrote:
Only 4 teams seems a bit sad, hope they can step it up in the next event ^^
Anyway, loving it when they add new games, GJ MLG!
Are those teams any good? I don't follow LoL at all so I don't know. idk, a best of 7 in a dota style game is multiple hours long. it's actually retarded how much time it takes to play that many games, most tournaments only do bo5 at the semis/finals. now that you brought it to my attention... it's a pretty interesting way to run the tournament i'm wondering how it will turn out because there is a huge HUGE part of the game that involves hero picks and bans, and a lot of them are based on previous games. some games you could say are won and lost at the hero selection screen... and with 4 games minimum being played, there is a lot of potential in shenanigans the likes of which are rarely seen due to the lack of any tournament hosting more than bo3
It's an extended series final, so only 4 games, but still it will take a while. And yes, CLG and TSM are both very good two of the best american teams. Also EG is pretty good from what i've seen, not sure about curse though, i'd say they are 4th going in, with EG 3rd and TSM / CLG fighting for the finals.
edit : curse is apparently renamed from unR, which is also a pretty solid team, should be a good event, even without the top European teams, SK / fnatic etc.
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On August 13 2011 08:48 TieN.nS) wrote:
Crs was formerly unR (Unrestricted eSports) but yes, Curse the WoW addon site is currently sponsoring them.
Yeah, believe so.
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Lol is so bad... Just add Dota... Dota > Hon/lol anyday
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If the LoL players are willing to make the effort to watch our game, i will happily return the favour!
<3<3 e-sports !!
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I feel like not wanting to watch MLG just because they're adding LoL, its a duplicate of dota and shouldn't stay at MLG for too long, I hope atleast. Dota2 fighting!!
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On August 13 2011 08:49 Devise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:46 Herculix wrote:On August 13 2011 06:41 Shadowcloak wrote:
hmmm cool but only 4 teams that will like fill only saterday orso
On August 13 2011 06:41 Vapaach wrote:
Only 4 teams seems a bit sad, hope they can step it up in the next event ^^
Anyway, loving it when they add new games, GJ MLG!
Are those teams any good? I don't follow LoL at all so I don't know. idk, a best of 7 in a dota style game is multiple hours long. it's actually retarded how much time it takes to play that many games, most tournaments only do bo5 at the semis/finals. now that you brought it to my attention... it's a pretty interesting way to run the tournament i'm wondering how it will turn out because there is a huge HUGE part of the game that involves hero picks and bans, and a lot of them are based on previous games. some games you could say are won and lost at the hero selection screen... and with 4 games minimum being played, there is a lot of potential in shenanigans the likes of which are rarely seen due to the lack of any tournament hosting more than bo3 It's an extended series final, so only 4 games, but still it will take a while. And yes, CLG and TSM are both very good two of the best american teams. Also EG is pretty good from what i've seen, not sure about curse though, i'd say they are 4th going in, with EG 3rd and TSM / CLG fighting for the finals. edit : curse is apparently renamed from unR, which is also a pretty solid team, should be a good event, even without the top European teams, SK / fNatic etc.
Any of these teams are capable of winning against the others. Crs has a pretty strong lineup with Liquid/Lapaka/Sydtko/Nyjacky/Pobelter, and EG should be better off now that they don't have Doubelift and Dyrus playing support since they now have PureSorakaBoy playing support.
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maybe good for esports but there is nothing more boring than watching LoL games.
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Im pulling for EG, mostly because dyrus is awesome.
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On August 13 2011 08:45 broz0rs wrote:A suggestion for MLG that should be considered. Occassionally turn on team voice chat. + Show Spoiler +
If its going to anything like their Halo broadcasts, they will.
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On August 13 2011 08:51 Teddeh wrote:
I feel like not wanting to watch MLG just because they're adding LoL, its a duplicate of dota and shouldn't stay at MLG for too long, I hope atleast. Dota2 fighting!!
So DOTA should be the only MOBA game?
People like you just ruin E-Sports.This is a LOL thread anyways so why are you mentioning DOTA?
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Glad to see another game join the MLG madness, it was a matter of time before LoL joined in with MLG...if Black Ops is on it...
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Im pretty sure LoL is the largest competitive game available at the moment, so it will replace whatever the hell gets in its way.
Lets hope it wont target the starcraft world
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I hope they go through a process to try all the three games, because I will hate to see LoL at yet another event. I want HoN or DotA2 when it is released.
No denying killed the game for me= (
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Great for esports, but watching LoL is sooo time consuming
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LOL is soooo boring to watch, sorry MLG. What about an entertaining game to watch, QUAKE LIVE anyone???
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Just for those unaware, LoL and Dota are largely nonexclusive. Only a small fraction of LoL players played DotA, maybe 10%. When Dota 2 comes out both games will easily keep their player base. The question is how LoL players who never played Dota perceive the game and stick with it, which again will probably only be a small fraction.
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its 100% clear that the moba with the biggest playerbase gets opportunities like these. PPL who arent playing mobas get eyecancer by watching them. Whether its LoL/HoN/DotA doesnt matter at all because only the playerbase will watch it and LoL has arguably the biggest playerbase after WoW.
Games like sc2/streetfighter work differently because you dont have to play it to enjoy watching it.
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Guess i'll be LoLing at the LoL'ers microing the shit out of their army...i mean heros. But seriously it's a great way for MLG to get more fans, gj!
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LoL will probably never take the center stage because starcraft is put quite simply, an amazing spectator sport. However if this is the route MLG needs to take to secure a larger sponsorship pool/viewership, then do it. I want to see starcraft have 5 figure prizes for first and second place.
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why did this make headlines?
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This is awesome. Another great move by MLG.
Going to be realllllllllllly hard to decide which stream to watch though when these games are on at the same time as SC2 games. Oh well, First World Problem and all.
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On August 13 2011 09:03 tl4life wrote:
LOL is soooo boring to watch, sorry MLG. What about an entertaining game to watch, QUAKE LIVE anyone???
No thanks
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So Sundance comes here begging that people buy pass' claiming that the prize pool will have to be lowered if a certain amount is not reached.. yet MLG finds the money to add another game, topped with a bigger prize pool than the event that is bringing in all the viewers to begin with.
Glad I did not buy that pass now.
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this is disgusting news. Another Stream that I won't watch because the game on it is a joke.
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wow that is a depressingly small prize pool? $12,500 split among 5 players is nothing, and only $5,000 for sc2? I just dont see how people can say esports is taking off when mlg, basically the premier starcraft league has such little prize money.
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May as well begin the countdown until LoL takes over the main / central stage and we're relegated to Halo status.
Oh well, I can't say I'm surprised. It's good for MLG and LoL so "yay".
How did this make it to Community News anyway? All of the other stuff is Starcraft related.
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had played lol for a while. but didnt really enjoy it.
but if it helps esports... go for it!
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At least MLG will grab more viewers, seeing as LoL has a ton of players.
Wonder if MLG will ever put in amount of viewers viewing a stream D=
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This is going to do wonders for MLG's streaming figures. High streaming figures means better sponsorship deals and more money for E-Sports. Great decision.
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I don't like this decision by MLG, it seems very likely in the near future that DotA 2 will replace LoL at MLG due to the larger money pool that Valve has to offer as well as the potentially larger playerbase.
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I wonder how long LoL will last with MLG once DotA2 comes out. Maybe Riot will throw enough money at it to keep it on the circuit?
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As far as this game genre goes, definitely think LoL is an awesome choice.
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I love LoL and can't wait to have 3 streams open during Raleigh. The only problem I forsee is there really aren't any good LoL casters, atleast imo. It will be interesting to see who they get.
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Well if Riot's kicking in money I'd expect Phreak to be there. Might be him and one employed by MLG co-casting.
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On August 13 2011 09:43 Ome wrote:
I love LoL and can't wait to have 3 streams open during Raleigh. The only problem I forsee is there really aren't any good LoL casters, atleast imo. It will be interesting to see who they get.
TreeEskimo!!
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This is going to be huge for mlg, 200k people watched the LoL stream at dreamhack...
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On August 13 2011 09:48 Zirith wrote:
This is going to be huge for mlg, 200k people watched the LoL stream at dreamhack...
well, there was this thing where the Eu servers didnt work when they streamed...
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I'd rather watch HoN, but I guess the following is too great for LoL.
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I can't imagine a LoL bo7 being that exciting to watch but it's for ESPORTS so it's okay
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I feel as if LoL should have just come into MLG at the start of the new season, not in the middle of one, it seems as if they wont get the full effect of it imo.
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On August 13 2011 09:49 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 09:48 Zirith wrote:
This is going to be huge for mlg, 200k people watched the LoL stream at dreamhack... well, there was this thing where the Eu servers didnt work when they streamed...
The servers actually did work okay, just had long queues. I even remember being logged in while watching
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On August 13 2011 10:02 MaCloud wrote:
I feel as if LoL should have just come into MLG at the start of the new season, not in the middle of one, it seems as if they wont get the full effect of it imo.
they are going in the middle of the season just like sc2 to get the logistics correct, so that their giant "premier" when its in the regular season goes without major problems.
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On August 13 2011 07:33 DarkRise wrote:
idk Why people keep mentioning HoN
LOL with 15 million players compare to HoN's 500,000? OFC LOL is the obvious pick between the two.
TSM fighting!! Love playing Sc2 and LOL so this is a good news
Yeah, because Free to Play is more popular then a game that was 30$ up until a week ago. Just my guess.
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LoL is really bad... its unfortunate the player base is so much larger than HoN...
Dota2 should be the supreme leader in this game type when its released.
HOPEFULLY SOON!!
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Now I have to decide if I want to watch league or sc2 ^_^ Maybe they'll be close enough together at the event to keep track of both.
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I don't even know what a League of Legends is...
What newfangled invention is this?!
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On August 13 2011 10:04 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 09:49 LaNague wrote:On August 13 2011 09:48 Zirith wrote:
This is going to be huge for mlg, 200k people watched the LoL stream at dreamhack... well, there was this thing where the Eu servers didnt work when they streamed... The servers actually did work okay, just had long queues. I even remember being logged in while watching
they dropped people out randomly, ingame and in queue. When the queue is 2hrs, that might as well be a offline server for people that want to play a bit in the evening.
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I don't even know what a League of Legends is...
What newfangled invention is this?!
It is a completely remade version of the Defenders of the Ancients mod for Warcraft 3. Not a bad game but I have never seen it played competitively.
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I'mm ok with this.... as long as SC2 stays on center stage.
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holy shit best of 7 LoL. it's gonna be like going to the cricket.
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i love it when this happens. this is a great step for esports, and therefore starcraft :D
just thought that there is another community out there for each of these games make me feel so un-alone in the world.
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On August 13 2011 07:11 Paramo wrote:
good to see more games at esports events, now bring on SSFIV =D
I would love this. I like playing LoL and I try very hard to enjoy watching it, but I just don't think it lends itself well to a spectator sport for a variety of reasons. SSFIV:AE on the other hand... oh man, I know very very little about that game and I still have a blast watching it. And the more I learn about it, the more I enjoy it. MVC3 is pretty fun to watch too. They're just exciting in a way that MOBAs are not.
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Only recently found out LoL was free to play, donwloaded it must say i love it, whenever i am not playing SCII i am playing LoL, i have become quite the nerd.
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i love to play LoL but don't care for watching it too much. hopefully they will have a tournament for dominion, that will probably be a lot more exciting.
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time to kiss my social life goodbye...
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niceee, great to see mlg adding games
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it's gonna be interesting when Dota 2 comes out to see which of these games is gonna come out on top
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Gah, i thought watching things like MLG would help me get back into starcraft and away from serious LoL, but nope.
Kidding, gonna be pretty awesome. Gogo TSM!
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They should add those 20k to the SC2 prize instead. But anyways, gratz to LoL fans. (Horrible game compared to HoN)
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you think any pros will be good enough to play sc2 and lol at same time?
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I don't really care for LoL but good luck to anyone who's entering. I'm all for promoting ESports.
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MLG should invite China LoL team iG! Previously known as CCM, they beat TSM in two practise matches :D
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How is a game like this considered competitive i'll never know.
ah well money into esports is still money into esports
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Hong Kong9154 Posts
Does adding League of Legends to the MLG Pro Circuit mean that there will be an whole other spectator area for them? If there was a severe lack of chairs and seating at previous MLG events, it's going to get a whole lot more crazy unless they have already planned ahead.
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I'm really looking forward to LOL.
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4 participants?? I LoL'ed ...
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Jiji isn't going to MLG Raleigh because he's going to PAX instead. =/
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On August 13 2011 11:36 aru wrote:
Jiji isn't going to MLG Raleigh because he's going to PAX instead. =/
For that prize money, I wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't change his mind to go to Raleigh. Not like it will cost him anything to change his plans since everything is being covered. CLG needs Jiji real bad if they want to win.
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LoL sucks. I'm sorry to say, but that really is the case. The developer (Riot games) is not bad, but the game itself is. Compared to HoN (which is a good game but developed by a crappy company) its trash, and it will look even worse compared to DotA2. This is not a good step for MLG I'm afraid - they should've waited for DotA2.
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On August 13 2011 11:34 Corvi wrote:
4 participants?? I LoL'ed ...
4 teams of 5, 20 participants.
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Don't really like this game, too fantasy and cartooney (not macho enough), but good for MLG.
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Always good to see more pc games on the circuit.
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Supporting LoL with that kind of money is just plain terrible.
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Might as well send TSM their check now
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United States2822 Posts
For all you people who are bemoaning the loss of HoN, Sundance has said in the past that he is possibly interested in adding HoN to MLG as well.
Although that will be another huge can of worms.
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Why are people coming here complaining about the game when this is in the LoL sub forum??
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It got spotlighted to community news so everybody can see it.
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On August 13 2011 11:58 Phrost wrote:
Why are people coming here complaining about the game when this is in the LoL sub forum??
It's linked in Community News.
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On August 13 2011 06:50 Craminit wrote:
imagine a bo7 of an on average 45 minute games O.o
My immediate thoughts, as well. That could potentially be an entire day of two teams playing.
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On August 13 2011 11:53 TheWarbler wrote:
Supporting LoL with that kind of money is just plain terrible.
You do realize that this money is more than likely coming mostly from Riot and not from MLG? I wish more companies would pump money in to ESPORTS like Riot does.
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I for one find it hilarious how S2 and Riot are scrambling for tournaments in anticipation of dota2. It's also AWESOME. Shows you how a bit of competition can put pressure on the game makers to seriously support esports.
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Mored es number 1! lol jk I dont know anything about professional LoL, but I do like the increase of PC games being in all these MLGs! Goo E-Sportsss
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This game is great but in sense of watching it's not that fantastic =(. High level LoL doesn't have many kills in each game, compared to games like HoN and DotA. This is fantastic news for the e-sports scene though, also shows that Riot cares a lot about the future success of LoL post-DotA 2 release.
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On one hand Im excited, it's a big tournament in U.S. with 4 NA teams(no EU ones)
Sounds pretty awesome.
On the other hand, no EU teams, no open bracket, and only 4 teams, are all meh for me as well.
Hopefully this expands into a bigger tournament with an open bracket next year when they can get more space for it, so then i can play.
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As a LoL team, those are pretty good odds for winning decent cash. Good luck to them (better than watching CoD on the side)
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They really should have an open bracket
The strength of LoL is its community, meaning that the open bracket would be hugely successful in participants and probably in scouting emerging talent.
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Yes!! I'm so excited for this, as I am both an avid SC2 and LoL watcher. TSM Fighting!
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On August 13 2011 12:25 tyCe wrote:They really should have an open bracket The strength of LoL is its community, meaning that the open bracket would be hugely successful in participants and probably in scouting emerging talent.
There will be an open bracket in the future. MLG says this is just a test run to get a feel for how the game plays out.
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so.. the prize pool for LoL is bigger than sc2?... . .. ..
das coo...
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pretty cool, esports is def growing
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On August 13 2011 12:28 SadStarcraft wrote:
so.. the prize pool for LoL is bigger than sc2?... . .. ..
das coo...
One: Riot is putting their own money into it.
Two: It's a team game and the money is split between 5 players. Same reason why Halo and CoD have larger prize pools.
Also: Sundance has been talking about adding LoL since Columbus, WAY before Valve announced The International. It has nothing to do with beating Valve at anything.
Geez, the misconceptions...
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On August 13 2011 12:05 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 11:53 TheWarbler wrote:
Supporting LoL with that kind of money is just plain terrible. You do realize that this money is more than likely coming mostly from Riot and not from MLG? I wish more companies would pump money in to ESPORTS like Riot does.
Great I wish they would pump money into a actual competitive AoS not a Casual players game.
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MLG is getting a lot of games now, almost too much to watch with 2 SC2 streams and now an LoL steam... Can't wait to see how pro LoL games play out.
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LOL
Edit: SC2 had a $7000 prize pool when it was brought in mid-season, with no travel costs covered. LoL gets $20,000 and free travel for 20 players? If they have tons of chairs in the spectator area...
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Biggest problem with League of Legends is the acronym "LOL" or "LoL"... I always think someone is laughing when they are playing, or playing when they are laughing... Damn it!
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ugh....... although i love e-sports, i hate when this is done just for the money. there's more competitive alternatives compared to LoL in the moba scene. I'm sure LoL players will debate this till the end against me but oh well, for someone to climb to #1 on the ladder in a month of play like Chu. I just can't take a game like that serious.
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Nice to see MLG getting more games again. ESPORTS expansion hwaiting!
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I would much prefer HoN. But I'm happy about this too
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On August 13 2011 12:53 FreezerJumps wrote:
LOL
Edit: SC2 had a $7000 prize pool when it was brought in mid-season, with no travel costs covered. LoL gets $20,000 and free travel for 20 players? If they have tons of chairs in the spectator area...
Most of that is sponsored by the parent company Riot.
and I'm pretty sure Grubby climbed to Grandmasters in sc2 the first month he started playing so I don't see how that is a valid complaint.
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Alright awesome. I love LoL.
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they need to bring in HoN and CS and replace the console games, but have sc2 on dual stream and mainstage still
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LoL? GTFO
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 13 2011 13:28 devPLEASE wrote:
they need to bring in HoN and CS and replace the console games, but have sc2 on dual stream and mainstage still
Why would MLG replace their flagship games? Just because you don't like the console games doesn't mean that they should be removed.
If we were going off personal preference I'd rather see BW on the mainstage and no SC2.
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On August 13 2011 12:32 scintilliaSD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 12:28 SadStarcraft wrote:
so.. the prize pool for LoL is bigger than sc2?... . .. ..
das coo... One: Riot is putting their own money into it. Two: It's a team game and the money is split between 5 players. Same reason why Halo and CoD have larger prize pools. Also: Sundance has been talking about adding LoL since Columbus, WAY before Valve announced The International. It has nothing to do with beating Valve at anything. Geez, the misconceptions...
This has me thinking... anyone else want MLG to add a sc2 team league?
Would help separate MLG from other cyber sport tournaments.
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finally a game that I can watch inbetween sc2-matches. Great move on behalf of MLG no matter what the influences.
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On August 13 2011 13:00 NKexquisite wrote:
Biggest problem with League of Legends is the acronym "LOL" or "LoL"... I always think someone is laughing when they are playing, or playing when they are laughing... Damn it!
the acronym was the sole reason I started playing the game, haha. Haven't stopped playing it since.
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As soon as DotA2 is out, LoL' eSport proscene will die.
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This is amazing. SC2 and LoL (well, dota) = 2 best games ever ^_^
Also please stop taking trolls and people who post without thinking seriously. There's no rational reason to not be happy about this.
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Good news for esports but unfortunately LoL is the MOBA game that is least suited for competitive play. I guess numbers is numbers and LoL certainly has a lot of viewers and a company (Riot) that is willing to dish out some dough.
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Damn, so many haters lol. I can't believe I visit the same site as these people
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So many haters saying LoL isn't suited for competitive play when they very likely haven't even played the game for any appreciable amount. Blind fanboyism tsk
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glad to see mlg expanding with LoL. fighting games next please!
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I really like LoL, but i feel they focus less on balance/server stability and more on adding fresh content to attract players >.> its b/c of that i feel like DotA 2 will become so much bigger, since IceFrog is quick to patch and always puts balance 1st over new features..
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On August 13 2011 14:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
So many haters saying LoL isn't suited for competitive play when they very likely haven't even played the game for any appreciable amount. Blind fanboyism tsk
Actually no, I've played LoL a lot ( 1000 games / 400 ranked ) and it is not a serious competitive game( it's a fun game, just not balanced and competitive) , it's too casual,tanks are way too strong, too many heroes to balance,no denies. everyone can blink on a very short cooldown... makes for totally crap teamfights you cannot control. DotA is much more competitive, don't know/care about HoN.
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On August 13 2011 06:44 Invoker wrote:
It should have been HoN.
omfg yes it needed to be HON the work ive put into Hon
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On August 13 2011 14:38 TheArtOfFugue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 14:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
So many haters saying LoL isn't suited for competitive play when they very likely haven't even played the game for any appreciable amount. Blind fanboyism tsk Actually no, I've played LoL a lot ( 1000 games / 400 ranked ) and it is not a serious competitive game( it's a fun game, just not balanced and competitive) , it's too casual,tanks are way too strong, too many heroes to balance,no denies. everyone can blink on a very short cooldown... makes for totally crap teamfights you cannot control. DotA is much more competitive, don't know/care about HoN.
3 minutes shortest cooldown yup
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On August 13 2011 14:38 TheArtOfFugue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 14:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
So many haters saying LoL isn't suited for competitive play when they very likely haven't even played the game for any appreciable amount. Blind fanboyism tsk Actually no, I've played LoL a lot ( 1000 games / 400 ranked ) and it is not a serious competitive game( it's a fun game, just not balanced and competitive) , it's too casual,tanks are way too strong, too many heroes to balance,no denies. everyone can blink on a very short cooldown... makes for totally crap teamfights you cannot control. DotA is much more competitive, don't know/care about HoN.
Upwards of four minutes is a short cooldown? Really?
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On August 13 2011 14:38 TheArtOfFugue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 14:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
So many haters saying LoL isn't suited for competitive play when they very likely haven't even played the game for any appreciable amount. Blind fanboyism tsk Actually no, I've played LoL a lot ( 1000 games / 400 ranked ) and it is not a serious competitive game( it's a fun game, just not balanced and competitive) , it's too casual,tanks are way too strong, too many heroes to balance,no denies. everyone can blink on a very short cooldown... makes for totally crap teamfights you cannot control. DotA is much more competitive, don't know/care about HoN.
Tanks too strong? Are we playing the same game?
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LoL is a really good game but i seriously hope it doesn't take over sc2 that would be fucking sad
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On August 13 2011 14:38 TheArtOfFugue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 14:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
So many haters saying LoL isn't suited for competitive play when they very likely haven't even played the game for any appreciable amount. Blind fanboyism tsk Actually no, I've played LoL a lot ( 1000 games / 400 ranked ) and it is not a serious competitive game( it's a fun game, just not balanced and competitive) , it's too casual,tanks are way too strong, too many heroes to balance,no denies. everyone can blink on a very short cooldown... makes for totally crap teamfights you cannot control. DotA is much more competitive, don't know/care about HoN.
DotA has more heroes than LoL.
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On August 13 2011 14:38 TheArtOfFugue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 14:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
So many haters saying LoL isn't suited for competitive play when they very likely haven't even played the game for any appreciable amount. Blind fanboyism tsk Actually no, I've played LoL a lot ( 1000 games / 400 ranked ) and it is not a serious competitive game( it's a fun game, just not balanced and competitive) , it's too casual,tanks are way too strong, too many heroes to balance,no denies. everyone can blink on a very short cooldown... makes for totally crap teamfights you cannot control. DotA is much more competitive, don't know/care about HoN.
yeah no
you've clearly never play LoL rofl. if you have, you've probably played ages ago/at a super low level of play
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On August 13 2011 14:51 Carush wrote:
LoL is a really good game but i seriously hope it doesn't take over sc2 that would be fucking sad
It probably won't. Dota 2 might be the one to do it, if anything like that should happen.
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I despise LoL but I suppose this is good for E-Sports.
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:D LoL!!!! lotta HoN ppl gonna troll but LoL people troll on HoN cause LoL has a very bad community...
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I love this!!
But they have to consider something, will some champions be banned? EG Skarner as he is a fairly new champion they haven't completely balanced it yet.
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kind of ridiculous. 4 teams in running for a 20k sum (larger than SC2 prize pool). assuming equal skill levels, there's a 1/2 chance you will walk away with cash. where is the competition in this? so how much did Riot contribute to the prize pool? they're nowhere near the conglomerate that blizzard is. regardless i guess it's good for esports.
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Ill have to see some games, now its free I just dont seem to be able to get time to play a few games, see if I would like it, with Starcraft 2 and real life dont really get time to play even that so not sure I could play another game lol
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On August 13 2011 16:06 SEA_GenesiS wrote:
I love this!!
But they have to consider something, will some champions be banned? EG Skarner as he is a fairly new champion they haven't completely balanced it yet.
They play on a tournament realm on a stable patch.
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For me LoL is the worst dota game, out of dota.tft, HoN, LoL...
But hey....since Riot is putting so much money into it....
Anyway, i don't see this lasting, dota2 will end it.
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i hope some EU team will be sent to kick some asses :p
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yay! gogo Team Solo Mid!
Regi <3<3<3
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On August 13 2011 16:25 Gotmog wrote:
For me LoL is the worst dota game, out of dota.tft, HoN, LoL...
But hey....since Riot is putting so much money into it....
Anyway, i don't see this lasting, dota2 will end it.
well i also agree with you, though i wouldn't like dota 2 being an esport. the type of game is so boring to watch, i usually fall asleep if i watch more than one game, despite having fun playing it for a long time. it just doesn't amaze me at all, kills go fast and often there is just farming for a long time. it's like CS for me, i don't like watching it too much, though it's not that bad cause here is more action.
Anyway, still good luck for MLG trying out LoL, pretty sure it will be a success.
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To be honest I don't see why they are pushing this game so hard to an esport, its not really that fun to watch. It doesn't bother me it being at MLG, I just hope we don't see yet another catastrophic failure ruining the reputation of esports. Feels like riot would be better off directing those funds to get more customers playing their game, because thats where the real strength of LoL is, its very fun and addicting to play.
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On August 13 2011 16:40 Disquiet wrote:
To be honest I don't see why they are pushing this game so hard to an esport, its not really that fun to watch. It doesn't bother me it being at MLG, I just hope we don't see yet another catastrophic failure ruining the reputation of esports. Feels like riot would be better off directing those funds to get more customers playing their game, because thats where the real strength of LoL is, its very fun and addicting to play.
It's not that fun to watch yet it usually has the same amount of concurrent viewers as SC2 daily? Hotshotgg gets as many viewers as a Day9 daily and he streams for hours. "catastrophic failure" because people are watching another game on a stream and it will ruin the reputation of esports? /facepalm
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On August 13 2011 16:15 JoeSchmoe wrote:
kind of ridiculous. 4 teams in running for a 20k sum (larger than SC2 prize pool). assuming equal skill levels, there's a 1/2 chance you will walk away with cash. where is the competition in this? so how much did Riot contribute to the prize pool? they're nowhere near the conglomerate that blizzard is. regardless i guess it's good for esports.
Riot was bought a while back by a chinese company, they are the ones putting money into making LOL the next big thing in esports.
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Always glad to see esports growing. Not every game on the list is going to be something everyone likes but knowing the fun I have from watching the games I follow I always think it's cool when another fanbase gets to have some of the fun too.
I do wonder what the fate of LoL is competitively after DOTA 2, but perhaps LoL being different enough and having enough of a head start to get it's own following (I mean there are an entire generation of players now who know Heroes only as Champions, for example) that they can coexist...but I doubt it, or at least never at the same event.
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You guys may not know it
but the last League of Legends event that was held at Dreamhack
had over 180k viewers
not 18
not 180
one-hundred and eighty THOUSAND
now, what was the largest SC2 stream?
you guys really may not respect League of Legends
but maybe thats just your problem
whats good for E-SPORTS is good for everyone
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On August 13 2011 17:01 SevenAteNine wrote:
You guys may not know it
but the last League of Legends event that was held at Dreamhack
had over 180k viewers
not 18
not 180
one-hundred and eighty THOUSAND
now, what was the largest SC2 stream?
you guys really may not respect League of Legends
but maybe thats just your problem
whats good for E-SPORTS is good for everyone
this is EXACTLY why i have a problem with LoL
it's not nearly as competitive as starcraft but it gets twice the views
this is because it's much more n00b friendly and casuals like to tune in and watch
i fear that the fate of sc2 in the west is going to be the same as brood war in the west and the better game is going to be tossed away for the more popular one :/
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i hope this means sc2 has an increase in the 1st place prize.
it would sure be weird if more lol fans showed up that sc2... and it would make me one sad panda
p.s. why no sad panda smiley???
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Happy to see LoL added. Always fun to watch for me. Though I have to admit, it feels a bit rushed with only four teams, but well it's a trial run.
About Dota2: we'll see how Dota2 is in a week. Will be interesting to see what impact that showing has.
Also, why do some people consider LoL a bad spectator sport? If you don't like to watch it, then don't watch it. Personally, I don't like Baseball or Counterstrike, but I don't go running around shouting they are bad spectator sports, just because I don't like them.
If nobody wanted to watch LoL, it wouldn't be at MLG in the first place.
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On August 13 2011 17:25 Dulkan wrote:
Happy to see LoL added. Always fun to watch for me. Though I have to admit, it feels a bit rushed with only four teams, but well it's a trial run.
About Dota2: we'll see how Dota2 is in a week. Will be interesting to see what impact that showing has.
Also, why do some people consider LoL a bad spectator sport? If you don't like to watch it, then don't watch it. Personally, I don't like Baseball or Counterstrike, but I don't go running around shouting they are bad spectator sports, just because I don't like them.
If nobody wanted to watch LoL, it wouldn't be at MLG in the first place.
Its considered a bad spectator sport because it seems like you need to play it to enjoy watching it. I've tried watching it, but I just dont enjoy it. People don't need to play baseball, counterstrike or sc2 to enjoy watching it.
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On August 13 2011 17:16 Carush wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 17:01 SevenAteNine wrote:
You guys may not know it
but the last League of Legends event that was held at Dreamhack
had over 180k viewers
not 18
not 180
one-hundred and eighty THOUSAND
now, what was the largest SC2 stream?
you guys really may not respect League of Legends
but maybe thats just your problem
whats good for E-SPORTS is good for everyone this is EXACTLY why i have a problem with LoL it's not nearly as competitive as starcraft but it gets twice the views this is because it's much more n00b friendly and casuals like to tune in and watch i fear that the fate of sc2 in the west is going to be the same as brood war in the west and the better game is going to be tossed away for the more popular one :/
this is really just your point of view but there one big fact you are not taking into consideration
League of Legends is drastically different then Starcraft 2
there's really no connection to be made
the popularity of Starcraft 2 hasen't made a dent in a game like say
Halo 3
BW died directly due to SC2
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Beyonder
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So many jealous kids :D
LoL is an awesome game, very innovative even if it copies dota to a large extent. Will enjoy watching it ^_^
LoL fighting!
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I much prefer HON compared to LoL as I have played LoL myself and its abit to arcade-ish compared to HON which is abit more like its predecessor
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I play hon but its still kinda nice that the genre gets more recognition even if its not my favorite title.
Seems like MLG aims to break another viewership record in Raleigh.
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Wish they would have picked a more competitive dota clone to add instead, but oh well. I'm sure lots of people will be happy to see it.
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On August 13 2011 17:35 SevenAteNine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 17:16 Carush wrote:On August 13 2011 17:01 SevenAteNine wrote:
You guys may not know it
but the last League of Legends event that was held at Dreamhack
had over 180k viewers
not 18
not 180
one-hundred and eighty THOUSAND
now, what was the largest SC2 stream?
you guys really may not respect League of Legends
but maybe thats just your problem
whats good for E-SPORTS is good for everyone this is EXACTLY why i have a problem with LoL it's not nearly as competitive as starcraft but it gets twice the views this is because it's much more n00b friendly and casuals like to tune in and watch i fear that the fate of sc2 in the west is going to be the same as brood war in the west and the better game is going to be tossed away for the more popular one :/ this is really just your point of view but there one big fact you are not taking into consideration League of Legends is drastically different then Starcraft 2 there's really no connection to be made the popularity of Starcraft 2 hasen't made a dent in a game like say Halo 3 BW died directly due to SC2
well first off i was a halo 3 amateur player who attended a few events and i totally disagree with you saying that sc2 popularity is nothing compared to halo 3 popularity
i have no clue what the fuck you're talking about tbh
and brood war in the foreign scene was a TOTAL joke compared to all the other games at the time sc2 didn't kill brood war in the foreign scene it was already dead wcg and tsl was all there was for brood war and tsl didn't come until 2008 and wcg was a mess
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why does LoL have a bigger prize pool than Sc2? [do not take this as if it doesn't deserve a big prize pool]
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On August 13 2011 17:52 Carush wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 17:35 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 17:16 Carush wrote:On August 13 2011 17:01 SevenAteNine wrote:
You guys may not know it
but the last League of Legends event that was held at Dreamhack
had over 180k viewers
not 18
not 180
one-hundred and eighty THOUSAND
now, what was the largest SC2 stream?
you guys really may not respect League of Legends
but maybe thats just your problem
whats good for E-SPORTS is good for everyone this is EXACTLY why i have a problem with LoL it's not nearly as competitive as starcraft but it gets twice the views this is because it's much more n00b friendly and casuals like to tune in and watch i fear that the fate of sc2 in the west is going to be the same as brood war in the west and the better game is going to be tossed away for the more popular one :/ this is really just your point of view but there one big fact you are not taking into consideration League of Legends is drastically different then Starcraft 2 there's really no connection to be made the popularity of Starcraft 2 hasen't made a dent in a game like say Halo 3 BW died directly due to SC2 well first off i was a halo 3 amateur player who attended a few events and i totally disagree with you saying that sc2 popularity is nothing compared to halo 3 popularity i have no clue what the fuck you're talking about tbh and brood war in the foreign scene was a TOTAL joke compared to all the other games at the time sc2 didn't kill brood war in the foreign scene it was already dead wcg and tsl was all there was for brood war and tsl didn't come until 2008 and wcg was a mess
lol, where the fuck do you get off
first of all you completely misread my statement
i didnt say anything as far as sc2>=Halo 3
im saying Halo 3 players arnt jumping ship
because of SC2
you dont see Dota players leaving for SC2 in mass
any Halo Pro's leave for SC2?
ill chalk that rude statement up to a misunderstanding
and as far as SC2 killing BW
where did all the top level non-korean BW players go when SC2 was launched
that is what i call a kill in my personal opinion
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I'd like to see how's LoL going to do in the long run. There hasn't been a lot of competitive tournament of League of Legend (except for DreamHack), so it's hard to say if the viewership count is high because it's new to have such tournaments or because the fan base will make it high and consistent.
As far i'm concerned, i don't even play the game, so there's no way i'm gonna watch the stream since I know i won't enjoy watching it. I'm just interested in how things will develop for the competitive scene of LoL on year from now. It feels the main reason for its success is that it's f2p, and the quality of the game comes after (even though it's a great game). I think it should be the other way around for the game to succeed in that competitive environment.
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On August 13 2011 17:55 Blueblox wrote:why does LoL have a bigger prize pool than Sc2? [do not take this as if it doesn't deserve a big prize pool]
Probably because you need 5 players in one team (if I'm not mistaken).
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I play league of legends a lot but i don't think that its a competitive game and it's sad that there aren't Euro teams wich atm are the best >.<
But well, gl to all the teams!
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On August 13 2011 18:16 dc302 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 17:55 Blueblox wrote:why does LoL have a bigger prize pool than Sc2? [do not take this as if it doesn't deserve a big prize pool] Probably because you need 5 players in one team (if I'm not mistaken).
This. That prize is being split up 5 times lol.
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I know where they are coming from with this decision,but I think they should have waited for Dota 2 to come out.I'm not saying dota 2 will be more popular or competitive than LoL but what if it turns out that way and than you have the sub-optimal moba game on your lineup?Do you just give up on LoL and turn to Dota?Maybe there is room for more games,but personally i think they should cut down their lineup and increase the prize pool of other games.
1 FPS,1 RTS and 1 Moba game.I think they are a little bit hesitant with the fighting game because there are so many out there right now and they are not sure yet which one would be optimal for the future.I'd like to see that selectiveness applied here until Dota comes out.
Personally i think black ops is just a dead weight right now compared to Halo which is a superior shooter compared to it imo,I think the game will be cut soon from the circuit.I'd hate to see the same thing happen to LoL,if Dota turns out to be the far superior competitive game.
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I like the fact that MLG is introducing new games. However my experience with watching LoL and DoTA is that it's not the best spectator game. At least that's my experience. But will be interesting to see how it goes at Raleigh. Been a while since I spectated any of them so maybe they have found some ways to make it easier to spectate!
Edit: Have to agree with the person above me to about DoTA 2. Will be interesting to see what happens when it gets launched. Imo it will take a lot of players away from both HoN and LoL. But who knows?
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They should have waited for DoTA2 however much u like to play LOL its not as competitive as DoTA.
Another problem is that to spectate these kind of games requiresa high level of hero spell knowledge which the usual spectator doesnt have. Thus the game will never be popular amongst those who dont play. The main reason Starcraft 2 has become such a big thing is because even if u dont know anything about it you understand whats going on.
Esports have to grow beyond having a "good" "fun" game into having a "good" "fun" and "spectator friendly game" which the majority of people can understand without prior brainstorming to go more mainstream.
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Does lol have any sort of spectator mode yet?
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Meh I dont even understand how there is a pro-scene for this game.
I understand that this game is 1000x easier than SC2 so a lot more people play it, but beyond that, I dont understand it.
And having playing Dota since 2.0, then trying HoN and LoL... LoL was by far the least competitive one of them all... I dont understand how there are "pros" in this.
I understand the draw of Dota and its clones though, because its like an interesting mix between a MMO and RTS in my opinion.
Dota/LoL/Hon is like playing a mmorpg. Getting levels, getting gear, killing people. Its like any MMO with PvP but lvling/experiencing all content takes place in an hour. And its an RTS because it is about your strategies/positioning/control.
MEH IDK tho, to be honest I am just stoked for Dota 2, because DotA with updated graphics will easily stomp all over LoL and HoN, which are just imitations, but with better graphics/interface above Dota. Once DotA2 has these, these 2 games are going to disappear/cut DRASTICALLY in size/player base.
To be honest the only reason LoL picked up so much attention/so many players was because it was completely free.
I have friends who dont even know what Dota is, who play LoL because it was free, and saw the ad on facebook.
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Not surprising, considering the huge number of views it brings.
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On August 13 2011 18:56 careohx wrote:
They should have waited for DoTA2 however much u like to play LOL its not as competitive as DoTA.
Another problem is that to spectate these kind of games requiresa high level of hero spell knowledge which the usual spectator doesnt have. Thus the game will never be popular amongst those who dont play. The main reason Starcraft 2 has become such a big thing is because even if u dont know anything about it you understand whats going on.
Esports have to grow beyond having a "good" "fun" game into having a "good" "fun" and "spectator friendly game" which the majority of people can understand without prior brainstorming to go more mainstream.
i don't think you always understand what's going on in sc2 (ht feedbacking, cloak banshee on the way without p having robo, etc.), i think the the level of understanding as a noob is pretty equal. especially with good commenting. yeah, in lol you need more knowledge of heros, spells and items, but it's also a more straight forward game, it's about 5 heros walking around and trying to kill the other 5 heros. pretty simple to observe imo. if someone fails a 4 gate in pvp and gg, a noob wont understand why the game is over now, in lol if one team kills all heros of the other team, it's obvious what happend und whats going to happen.
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On August 13 2011 19:19 tztztz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 18:56 careohx wrote:
They should have waited for DoTA2 however much u like to play LOL its not as competitive as DoTA.
Another problem is that to spectate these kind of games requiresa high level of hero spell knowledge which the usual spectator doesnt have. Thus the game will never be popular amongst those who dont play. The main reason Starcraft 2 has become such a big thing is because even if u dont know anything about it you understand whats going on.
Esports have to grow beyond having a "good" "fun" game into having a "good" "fun" and "spectator friendly game" which the majority of people can understand without prior brainstorming to go more mainstream. i don't think you always understand what's going on in sc2 (ht feedbacking, cloak banshee on the way without p having robo, etc.), i think the the level of understanding as a noob is pretty equal. especially with good commenting. yeah, in lol you need more knowledge of heros, spells and items, but it's also a more straight forward game, it's about 5 heros walking around and trying to kill the other 5 heros. pretty simple to observe imo. if someone fails a 4 gate in pvp and gg, a noob wont understand why the game is over now, in lol if one team kills all heros of the other team, it's obvious what happend und whats going to happen.
The amount of heroes and balance issues along with items and skills makes it infinitely more difficult to have anything but a completely basic understanding of anything in LoL/HoN for a casual watcher.
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If anything, DotA 2 will end up killing Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends will emerge from it relatively unscathed. League of Legends is a game that spreads by popularity, not as much by means of its gameplay merits. The game does cater to casuals, and as such...
Many of the current LoL fanbase:
1) Are casuals and have such
a) Not played DotA before
b) Have little intention of playing DotA 2.
2) Have invested time and money into LoL and as such have no incentive to switch
3) Play the game primarily with their friends, so they have no incentive to switch either.
DotA 2 will likely draw the "hardcore" crowd from HoN, DotA 1 and higher level LoL into its folds, but the casual scene of LoL is very loyal to its game.
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On August 13 2011 19:25 scintilliaSD wrote:
If anything, DotA 2 will end up killing Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends will emerge from it relatively unscathed. League of Legends is a game that spreads by popularity, not as much by means of its gameplay merits. The game does cater to casuals, and as such...
Many of the current LoL fanbase:
1) Are casuals and have such
a) Not played DotA before
b) Have little intention of playing DotA 2.
2) Have invested time and money into LoL and as such have no incentive to switch
3) Play the game primarily with their friends, so they have no incentive to switch either.
DotA 2 will likely draw the "hardcore" crowd from HoN, DotA 1 and higher level LoL into its folds, but the casual scene of LoL is very loyal to its game.
In addition, LoL has an entire set of mechanics (runes and masteries) that appear to not be translating into DotA 2. LoL and HoN/DotA are fundamentally very different games, so I don't expect LoL to wither from DotA's existence.
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On August 13 2011 19:04 MaestroSC wrote:
Meh I dont even understand how there is a pro-scene for this game.
I understand that this game is 1000x easier than SC2 so a lot more people play it, but beyond that, I dont understand it.
And having playing Dota since 2.0, then trying HoN and LoL... LoL was by far the least competitive one of them all... I dont understand how there are "pros" in this.
I understand the draw of Dota and its clones though, because its like an interesting mix between a MMO and RTS in my opinion.
Dota/LoL/Hon is like playing a mmorpg. Getting levels, getting gear, killing people. Its like any MMO with PvP but lvling/experiencing all content takes place in an hour. And its an RTS because it is about your strategies/positioning/control.
MEH IDK tho, to be honest I am just stoked for Dota 2, because DotA with updated graphics will easily stomp all over LoL and HoN, which are just imitations, but with better graphics/interface above Dota. Once DotA2 has these, these 2 games are going to disappear/cut DRASTICALLY in size/player base.
To be honest the only reason LoL picked up so much attention/so many players was because it was completely free.
I have friends who dont even know what Dota is, who play LoL because it was free, and saw the ad on facebook.
League of Legends has an extremely loyal following
how else do you think they pull off such high viewership
end of the day its all about popularity
sc2 for example
sc2 gains alot of popularity
money follow
more players follow
skill level raises to keep up with compatition
you could easily see this type of trend happen with LoL
also there is no Denying? so
i dont see Dota/hon having such a unique jungle system
there's alot of depth that LoL's jungle gives the game
that you simply dont see with Dota/Hon
people really dont take this into consideration
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Let's just hope they dont steal any sc2 main stages or anything :D
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On August 13 2011 19:04 MaestroSC wrote:
Meh I dont even understand how there is a pro-scene for this game.
I understand that this game is 1000x easier than SC2 so a lot more people play it, but beyond that, I dont understand it.
And having playing Dota since 2.0, then trying HoN and LoL... LoL was by far the least competitive one of them all... I dont understand how there are "pros" in this.
I understand the draw of Dota and its clones though, because its like an interesting mix between a MMO and RTS in my opinion.
Dota/LoL/Hon is like playing a mmorpg. Getting levels, getting gear, killing people. Its like any MMO with PvP but lvling/experiencing all content takes place in an hour. And its an RTS because it is about your strategies/positioning/control.
MEH IDK tho, to be honest I am just stoked for Dota 2, because DotA with updated graphics will easily stomp all over LoL and HoN, which are just imitations, but with better graphics/interface above Dota. Once DotA2 has these, these 2 games are going to disappear/cut DRASTICALLY in size/player base.
To be honest the only reason LoL picked up so much attention/so many players was because it was completely free.
I have friends who dont even know what Dota is, who play LoL because it was free, and saw the ad on facebook.
no it's not 1000x easier. why would it be?
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Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership.
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On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership.
if u want to understand what's going on then no. so many heroes with multiple abilities which u really only know if uve played the game enough to have learned all of them. not to mention all the roles etc. i guess its the same for all dota-type games, haven't played lol tho.
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On August 13 2011 19:29 SevenAteNine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:04 MaestroSC wrote:
Meh I dont even understand how there is a pro-scene for this game.
I understand that this game is 1000x easier than SC2 so a lot more people play it, but beyond that, I dont understand it.
And having playing Dota since 2.0, then trying HoN and LoL... LoL was by far the least competitive one of them all... I dont understand how there are "pros" in this.
I understand the draw of Dota and its clones though, because its like an interesting mix between a MMO and RTS in my opinion.
Dota/LoL/Hon is like playing a mmorpg. Getting levels, getting gear, killing people. Its like any MMO with PvP but lvling/experiencing all content takes place in an hour. And its an RTS because it is about your strategies/positioning/control.
MEH IDK tho, to be honest I am just stoked for Dota 2, because DotA with updated graphics will easily stomp all over LoL and HoN, which are just imitations, but with better graphics/interface above Dota. Once DotA2 has these, these 2 games are going to disappear/cut DRASTICALLY in size/player base.
To be honest the only reason LoL picked up so much attention/so many players was because it was completely free.
I have friends who dont even know what Dota is, who play LoL because it was free, and saw the ad on facebook. League of Legends has an extremely loyal following how else do you think they pull off such high viewership end of the day its all about popularity sc2 for example sc2 gains alot of popularity money follow more players follow skill level raises to keep up with compatition you could easily see this type of trend happen with LoLalso there is no Denying? so i dont see Dota/hon having such a unique jungle system there's alot of depth that LoL's jungle gives the game that you simply dont see with Dota/Hon people really dont take this into consideration
That's not necessary true. I mean, it could happen of course but there are fundamental differences between sc2 and lol. First of all, lol had its popularity based on the fact that it's free to play. Meaning part of the player base may not want to invest in competitive LoL (money into stream, time , travel to mlg, and so forth). Whereas sc2 players are more encline (overall) to do so, simply because they already did it by buying the game.
I'm pretty bad at expressing my argument, so maybe I did not chose the best words, but I think you got the idea. If the LoL fan base will just watch free stream, and not travel to mlg or other tournaments, nor be willing to send a little money to support their game on a more competitive level, the game will just not succeed as an e-sport.
Don't get me wrong, they could very well do it, and LoL will become huge in tournaments like MLG, but the f2p aspect of the game has an impact on the mindset of the player (at least when they start playing the game). And that's a huge difference between the sc2 and the lol players that could lead League of Legend to a different path that Starcrat 2 took.
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On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership.
League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack
im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far
as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv
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I look forward to watching this =)
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I never understood what's happening with dota, lol, hon, ... I played these "three-lane-battle" maps in WC3 like forever and suddenly dota appears and everything is "hype hype hype" about it, even that it is a clone in itself! Maybe a clone that makes things better, but the original game idea is far from being invented by dota!
Also watching these games is horrible! Playtime under one hour is a surprise and there is happening like nothing interesting in nearly 80% of this time! And the interesting parts are so fast, that a normal viewer doesn't know what exactly happed there!
And now LoL at MLG... sorry, LoL is buying itself into tournaments for quite some time now! It is backed by so much money it is crazy and people just get dollar signs in their eyes!
But who am I to tell you anything, I still play Civilization 2 in my free time! So have fun with this, but accept that I will ignore this entirely!
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I'd rather see DotA or HoN to be honest, as they have a lot more competitive nature as a game. LoL is like a super casual free version of DotA, but as long as it help e-sports then that's cool.
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Nice! My second favorite game gets some more attention!
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Halo Reach, Black Ops and now LoL, if it wasn't for Starcraft MLG would be a casual-fest. It kinda saddens me to see a growing "esports" company promoting games with such low skillgap, good marketing move though, the viewers will definitely be there.
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Of course a StarCraft board will shit on this move. But in all honesty, LoL is fun to play, semi fun to watch, and overall a great viewer draw. The game still requires high level tactical and strategical decision making, which is the draw for me. Even if it is more of a game for casuals than anything, it's still a good competition at the high level because of how much positioning and timing matter. It's not a total scrub-fest, guys.
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Just four teams for a shot at 20000 dollars!!! Jesus Christ, when i read stuff like this, and i think at the 5000 dollars given to SC2 pros, i understand why korean players have unions and collective bargains. SC2 players spend a small fortune just to go to MLG, and they bring the biggest audience, yet they have the smallest prize pool of the entire tournament...
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When I heard of this, I hoped they would have taked out CoD :/
But I don't understand why MLG didnt wait a little bit longer to see what Dota2 would be like, the decision seems a bit rushed to me.
LoL is a fun game (played some games), but I have still some trouble taking it seriously as an Esport. Oh well, as long as they have sc2, everything is good.
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This is pretty cool. I have been playing some LoL lately and I must say it is a fun game but I feel it is a game that seems more appealing for the casual gamers. Which is great for E-Sports in general to see a game like this go onto the competitive E-Sports scene and I really hope it continues to develop even after DOTA 2 comes out.
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Whyyyyyyyyyy
I really can't stand DotA-games (MOBA is just a marketing term used by companies that make DotA-games but aren't associated with DotA, i.e. anybody but Blizz and Valve) and I also don't see any mass appeal in them.
Almost any PC FPS would've been better.
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league of legends is more fun to play than sc2, but sc2 is a bit more fun to watch.
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I played LoL when it came out, and it's pretty fun; I don't think it's a bad spectator sport, but I think DotA or HoN would have been better.
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It's not a question of the gameplay, it's a question of the viewers and it's been seen that LoL tournaments attract a ridiculous number of viewers. It's sad though that LoL still doesn't have a proper observer mode and we'll probably still see the crappy 6 player obs mode. -_-
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All I ever hear about lol is the Dreamhack tournament.
There've been a lot of high profile SC2 events since then in addition to the dozens of weekly/monthly money tournaments, but I hear nothing about lol except how big it was at Dreamhack.
I guess ESL and MLG will be the international lol tournament scene.
edit²: I think lol firmly falls into the "competitive games" portion of the industry along with Halo, FIFA, CoD, wow and Trackmania instead of the "e-sports" portion (BW, QL, SC2).
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If you pick up this shit, you better pick up Guild Wars 2 when it comes out.
User was warned for this post
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On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership. League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv
RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.
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There was an embedded own3dtv player on the lobby homepage during DH.
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Oh great... the game with the worst community on the planet. I'll keep personal bias out of it and just say let's see how it goes.
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I love playing LoL, and it's mildly entertaining to watch (depending on the commentary.. 4Deman + Joe Miller = awesome), but why do LoL streamers and tournaments use own3d.tv? Justin.tv is so much better. I hope the MLG stream will be as good as the SC2 streams in the last two MLGs.
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I have zero interest in LoL, but this is undoubtedly great news. Hope it all goes well!
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On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership. League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.
This is not accurate, quit perpetuating lies.
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On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership. League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.
Nope, people keep spreading misinformation like this but it was only a stream link, and not the actual stream. LoL is insanely popular compared to SC2, even the Dreamhack NA qualifers, which wasn't advertised at all, got aound 80k viewers if I remembered correctly.
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I don't care for LoL one bit, but I don't see this as a bad thing(don't really care).
All focus on e-sports is good imo.
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Anyone from our little TL LoL group going to MLG? It looks like I'll be there so I should meet some of you who I haven't yet!
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On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership. League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.
Are people still saying this?
You had to actually click on the link and watch the stream to get counted as a viewer. Merely being in the lobby didn't affect anything.
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I feel like not wanting to watch MLG just because they're adding LoL, its a duplicate of dota and shouldn't stay at MLG for too long, I hope atleast. Dota2 fighting!!
It's far from a "DotA clone", it's of the same genre, but it doesn't feature ridiculous things like animation cancelling and denying that make the game just that much less fun for anyone that doesn't play super competitively. HoN/DotA2 are DotA clones. League of Legends is not.
And competitiveness doesn't matter for MLG. They care about viewers, and viewers only.
If casting League of Legends brings them in more viewers than DotA/DotA2 will (which I strongly think it will), they will broadcast that over DotA/2, even if it is somehow less competitive.
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On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership. League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.
Dreamhack NA qualifiers had over 100.000k viewers and Riot didn't advertize it anywhere, so it's totally unthinkable that the actual dreamhack had double the viewers?
If Riot had counted everyone in the client they'd have gotten closer to a million viewers, you don't seem to realize how popular the game is.
On August 13 2011 22:59 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:Show nested quote +I feel like not wanting to watch MLG just because they're adding LoL, its a duplicate of dota and shouldn't stay at MLG for too long, I hope atleast. Dota2 fighting!! It's far from a "DotA clone", it's of the same genre, but it doesn't feature ridiculous things like animation cancelling and denying that make the game just that much less fun for anyone that doesn't play super competitively. HoN/DotA2 are DotA clones. League of Legends is not.
LoL definitely has animation canceling
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Oh Hellz yes It's about time!!
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wtf MLG? 12.5k for first place and you're still getting by only giving 5k for sc2????????
That is ridiculous....
I understand that you need 5 people on LoL team but SC2 is SOOOO Big, i feel like MLG is just cheapskating by trying to skimp on money for the rest of the season to save money
Since the first MLG SC2 has increased revenues for MLG by itself so much I'm sure its crazy - I know that if MLG DID change the pool it would just create that much more attention to it and make them even more money
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That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high.
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I'd love to see the prize pool for SC2 increased at MLG.... D:
LoL is fine and dandy, not my cup of tea, but I know a lot of people that will likely watch MLG because of LoL being on, so I hope that this brings more people to broader E-Sports as well as MOAR STARCRAFTS :D <3
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How do so many people not get it, 5 person team, divide the prize pool by 5 and relax. Riot probably also helped by chipping in some cash for the pool. SC2 has a good prize pool for it being a 3 day event.
Anyway, the more games the merrier here. I just installed LoL but can't decide on a character. I'll be watching it at MLG.
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On August 13 2011 23:19 lazyfeet wrote:
That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high.
math it out bro.
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Too bad holiday is almost over here in Holland. Would have loved to go to the USA for holiday and visit the MLG Watching the games with day[9] and Tastetosis there :D
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You had to click the link in the lobby to be counted as a viewer.
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On August 13 2011 22:55 Haemonculus wrote:
Anyone from our little TL LoL group going to MLG? It looks like I'll be there so I should meet some of you who I haven't yet!
make sure you don't scare off any more 12 year old asian girls
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Bold move just before we get a sneak peak at DotA2, then again it's not going to get release for a while, but I'm thinking adding DotA2 to the circuit would've created more hype then copying ESL's idea with LoL. Maybe it's LoL who's paying?
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On August 13 2011 23:19 lazyfeet wrote:
That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high.
Umm it's a 5-player team game. Each player only gets 1/5 of that, but you knew that right? Counterstrike gets more prize money than SC2 , although this still isn't even alot
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On August 13 2011 23:43 DanielZKlein wrote:
You had to click the link in the lobby to be counted as a viewer.
Zenon! Please tell me you're going to be there!? I think I would have to book a flight to Raleigh right now to meet you, sir.
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On August 14 2011 00:13 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 23:19 lazyfeet wrote:
That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high. Umm it's a 5-player team game. Each player only gets 1/5 of that, but you knew that right? Counterstrike gets more prize money than SC2 , although this still isn't even alot
lol gets 20.000 dollars among 20 players.
SC2 gets 14.000 dollars among 272 players.
Slap in the face sounds about right to me.
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On August 14 2011 00:35 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:13 Shikyo wrote:On August 13 2011 23:19 lazyfeet wrote:
That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high. Umm it's a 5-player team game. Each player only gets 1/5 of that, but you knew that right? Counterstrike gets more prize money than SC2 , although this still isn't even alot lol gets 20.000 dollars among 20 players. SC2 gets 14.000 dollars among 272 players. Slap in the face sounds about right to me.
Finaly. I was about to say the exact same thing, because apparently people only focuses on how much does the winner(s) get(s). Prizepool is higher for lol. That's not essentially bad, it's just higher. I don't get why people are actually arguing "but the winner gets less", like it is relevant in the discussion.
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I'll be sure to keep the LoL stream on the side, while blue and red streams aren't running. Congrats MLG, you'll be surprised how many kiddies actually show up on the LoL stream.
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don't care particularly, meh.
except for the strange price pool.
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On August 14 2011 00:35 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:13 Shikyo wrote:On August 13 2011 23:19 lazyfeet wrote:
That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high. Umm it's a 5-player team game. Each player only gets 1/5 of that, but you knew that right? Counterstrike gets more prize money than SC2 , although this still isn't even alot lol gets 20.000 dollars among 20 players. SC2 gets 14.000 dollars among 272 players. Slap in the face sounds about right to me.
RIOT is likely putting up the money for the prize pool like they have in every other tournament lol has ever been in.
If you want to get slapped in the face, look to blizzard for not putting up any money for their own game.
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I love playing LoL but not really as a spectating sport. HoN and dota are a bit more fun to watch because there are a lot more ganks and generally there is more 'physical'(for lack of a better word) like creep denying and stuff and that makes it more fun to watch. In LoL, the team that gets more ganks in the mid-game team fights generally just wins cause kills give you so much more money than in hon or dota, and you cant creep deny to get an advantage.
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Lots of healthy debate here.
Prize money for SC2 has been set for the 2011 season. MLG's policy to date has been to make the prize money per player identical across all titles. That's changing in 2012. But please bear in mind these aren't changes that we can make on the fly. And the 2012 prize money for SC2 will be MUCH larger then they are now.
The League of Legends addition is NEW, so we can implement new policies. And the prize money per player is much smaller than SC2
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On August 14 2011 00:35 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:13 Shikyo wrote:On August 13 2011 23:19 lazyfeet wrote:
That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high. Umm it's a 5-player team game. Each player only gets 1/5 of that, but you knew that right? Counterstrike gets more prize money than SC2 , although this still isn't even alot lol gets 20.000 dollars among 20 players. SC2 gets 14.000 dollars among 272 players. Slap in the face sounds about right to me.
Would you say it's... RUINING ESPORTS?:p
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On August 14 2011 00:55 MLG_Lee wrote:
Lots of healthy debate here.
Prize money for SC2 has been set for the 2011 season. MLG's policy to date has been to make the prize money per player identical across all titles. That's changing in 2012. But please bear in mind these aren't changes that we can make on the fly. And the 2012 prize money for SC2 will be MUCH larger then they are now.
The League of Legends addition is NEW, so we can implement new policies. And the prize money per player is much smaller than SC2
ty for clarifying (and shutting up all the repetitive debates).
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On August 14 2011 00:35 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:13 Shikyo wrote:On August 13 2011 23:19 lazyfeet wrote:
That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high. Umm it's a 5-player team game. Each player only gets 1/5 of that, but you knew that right? Counterstrike gets more prize money than SC2 , although this still isn't even alot lol gets 20.000 dollars among 20 players. SC2 gets 14.000 dollars among 272 players. Slap in the face sounds about right to me.
Would you prefer a 4 player SC2 tournament? I'd prefer a LoL tournament with 50 teams
On August 14 2011 00:51 simansh wrote:
I love playing LoL but not really as a spectating sport. HoN and dota are a bit more fun to watch because there are a lot more ganks and generally there is more 'physical'(for lack of a better word) like creep denying and stuff and that makes it more fun to watch. In LoL, the team that gets more ganks in the mid-game team fights generally just wins cause kills give you so much more money than in hon or dota, and you cant creep deny to get an advantage.
Usually the ganks don't do that much, and the game's mostly about farming nonstop rather than ganking. It's true that high level LoL can feel relatively dull, but there still is decent amounts of action with wardclearing and buff / dragon control, and later on baron control. The current style just seems to be a really safe way of playing, it's likely that sometime in the future there will be changes in the dominant playstyle to make the gameplay braver.
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Hopefully this can pave the way for Dota 2 on the circuit :D
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On August 14 2011 00:55 MLG_Lee wrote:
Lots of healthy debate here.
Prize money for SC2 has been set for the 2011 season. MLG's policy to date has been to make the prize money per player identical across all titles. That's changing in 2012. But please bear in mind these aren't changes that we can make on the fly. And the 2012 prize money for SC2 will be MUCH larger then they are now.
The League of Legends addition is NEW, so we can implement new policies. And the prize money per player is much smaller than SC2
Thats good news for 2012.
Pretty cool of you to clear that up honestly.
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On August 14 2011 00:55 MLG_Lee wrote:
Lots of healthy debate here.
Prize money for SC2 has been set for the 2011 season. MLG's policy to date has been to make the prize money per player identical across all titles. That's changing in 2012. But please bear in mind these aren't changes that we can make on the fly. And the 2012 prize money for SC2 will be MUCH larger then they are now.
The League of Legends addition is NEW, so we can implement new policies. And the prize money per player is much smaller than SC2
i think the real question on most peoples minds is who put up the prize money, mlg or riot :o
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im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth.
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On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth.
Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D:
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I only have 2 damn monitors!
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On August 13 2011 06:44 Invoker wrote:
It should have been HoN.
With dota 2 just around the corner, what's the point?
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I guess we'll see what LoL is going to be like in real competitive light?
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On August 14 2011 00:43 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:35 Bobster wrote:On August 14 2011 00:13 Shikyo wrote:On August 13 2011 23:19 lazyfeet wrote:
That is like slap in the face on starcraft 2 with the prize been so high. Umm it's a 5-player team game. Each player only gets 1/5 of that, but you knew that right? Counterstrike gets more prize money than SC2 , although this still isn't even alot lol gets 20.000 dollars among 20 players. SC2 gets 14.000 dollars among 272 players. Slap in the face sounds about right to me. RIOT is likely putting up the money for the prize pool like they have in every other tournament lol has ever been in. If you want to get slapped in the face, look to blizzard for not putting up any money for their own game.
Doesn't Blizzard actually charge people to run their game? Like 50% cut of the advertising revenue if it's over 5k. Now that's a slap in the face. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247210)
Gamescon is this coming weekend, so I guess we'll see how well League does there. It'll probably have more viewers compared to MLG since the EU teams will actually be there.
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On August 14 2011 02:24 DDie wrote:With dota 2 just around the corner, what's the point?
exactly what i was thinking
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On August 13 2011 22:19 tyCe wrote:
I love playing LoL, and it's mildly entertaining to watch (depending on the commentary.. 4Deman + Joe Miller = awesome), but why do LoL streamers and tournaments use own3d.tv? Justin.tv is so much better. I hope the MLG stream will be as good as the SC2 streams in the last two MLGs.
I have the opposite opinion. I have constant problems with justin.tv and never any problem with own3d.tv.
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On August 14 2011 02:00 ClysmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth. Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D:
There're no Koreans in LoL, so it's not supposed to be bigger than SC2.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On August 14 2011 03:04 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 02:00 ClysmiC wrote:On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth. Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D: There're no Koreans in LoL, so it's not supposed to be bigger than SC2.
Loco, ManyReason, ALilac, grandjudge, Scarlet, Maknoon, Nolja and many other Koreans would like to have a word with you.
So would the 15 million registered players, 1.4 million daily players and 3.7 million active hours of LoL games a day.
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On August 14 2011 03:04 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 02:00 ClysmiC wrote:On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth. Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D: There're no Koreans in LoL, so it's not supposed to be bigger than SC2.
??? There is a korean lol scene. RIot Korea just sniped like the entire Blizzard Korea workers.
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On August 14 2011 03:31 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 03:04 canikizu wrote:On August 14 2011 02:00 ClysmiC wrote:On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth. Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D: There're no Koreans in LoL, so it's not supposed to be bigger than SC2. Loco, ManyReason, ALilac, grandjudge, Scarlet, Maknoon, Nolja and many other Koreans would like to have a word with you. So would the 15 million registered players, 1.4 million daily players and 3.7 million active hours of LoL games a day.
Agreed,
Lol is basically the 2nd biggest PC game out there, after Wow. SO getting an esports scene around it is a massive blessing to see how such a gigantic community fits with it.
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On August 14 2011 03:44 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 03:31 MoonBear wrote:On August 14 2011 03:04 canikizu wrote:On August 14 2011 02:00 ClysmiC wrote:On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth. Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D: There're no Koreans in LoL, so it's not supposed to be bigger than SC2. Loco, ManyReason, ALilac, grandjudge, Scarlet, Maknoon, Nolja and many other Koreans would like to have a word with you. So would the 15 million registered players, 1.4 million daily players and 3.7 million active hours of LoL games a day. Agreed, Lol is basically the 2nd biggest PC game out there, after Wow. SO getting an esports scene around it is a massive blessing to see how such a gigantic community fits with it.
Agreed, and the fact that its free helps that number out a lot. Dont care for it myself, but im fine with it as long as it furthers esports.
Now...to just get SF4 at MLG......Then we'll have a crowd.
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On August 14 2011 03:31 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 03:04 canikizu wrote:On August 14 2011 02:00 ClysmiC wrote:On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth. Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D: There're no Koreans in LoL, so it's not supposed to be bigger than SC2. Loco, ManyReason, ALilac, grandjudge, Scarlet, Maknoon, Nolja and many other Koreans would like to have a word with you. So would the 15 million registered players, 1.4 million daily players and 3.7 million active hours of LoL games a day.
Is Presidency Korean?
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On August 13 2011 21:50 Goshawk. wrote:
It's not a question of the gameplay, it's a question of the viewers and it's been seen that LoL tournaments attract a ridiculous number of viewers. It's sad though that LoL still doesn't have a proper observer mode and we'll probably still see the crappy 6 player obs mode. -_-
League of Legends has a much improved observer mode, they released it at dreamhack
tho no pause feature lol
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I heard that the makers of LoL just payed there way into all e-sports tournaments.. good to se that they do so much for the game they own!..
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On August 13 2011 06:50 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Riot is most likely chipping in for the prize. Everything they do now is to offset what Valve is doing.
Yes, this seems like very little time before MLG Raleigh that LoL is suddenly/officially announced for MLG. But I'm sure Riot is pushing to have it in this MLG, instead of Orlando. They're comp'ing all the travel expenses no less. i was about to get super mad :D that mlg would suddenly find money to support lol when they said there was none when sc2 broke into the scene. but if this is a riot funded addition, atleast for the first event them im 100% for mlg expanding to more games
There WAS none when SC2 broke into the scene, MLG picked up SC2 just barely during 2010, at their loss, and they teamed up with ING (HUGE corporation) so now they have more money.
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On August 14 2011 03:44 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 03:31 MoonBear wrote:On August 14 2011 03:04 canikizu wrote:On August 14 2011 02:00 ClysmiC wrote:On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth. Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D: There're no Koreans in LoL, so it's not supposed to be bigger than SC2. Loco, ManyReason, ALilac, grandjudge, Scarlet, Maknoon, Nolja and many other Koreans would like to have a word with you. So would the 15 million registered players, 1.4 million daily players and 3.7 million active hours of LoL games a day. Agreed, Lol is basically the 2nd biggest PC game out there, after Wow. SO getting an esports scene around it is a massive blessing to see how such a gigantic community fits with it.
Remember how well WoW did in MLG? Bigger =/= better. I agree that this is good for e-sports but to use the amount of users that actively play it a day as a basis for how well the game is to do would not be an accurate representation. I'm sure both Halo and CoD have more players a day than SC2, but look at the spectator numbers for each game.
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This is cool, it will all come down to observing though. With 10 players doing different things till about the midgame it can be really hectic to understand whats going on for the casual person watching. Ive seen some really nicely observed matches and some really horrible ones. Either way I will definitely check out some of the action on the stream. Go ESPORTS!
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On August 14 2011 05:53 ICarrotU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 03:44 xarthaz wrote:On August 14 2011 03:31 MoonBear wrote:On August 14 2011 03:04 canikizu wrote:On August 14 2011 02:00 ClysmiC wrote:On August 14 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im really curious how popular itll be at MLG and whether or not it actually gets the humongous support that Riot has been touting this entire time. I guess its LoL's moment of truth. Yeah this is definitely going to be LoL's trial by fire. But based on some of the numbers that I've heard for previous LoL streams, I think it will do very well... I kind of find myself hoping it doesn't do too well though, as I find DOTA style games to be dreadfully boring to watch. I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to be successful, but I don't want them to take any of SC2's thunder D: There're no Koreans in LoL, so it's not supposed to be bigger than SC2. Loco, ManyReason, ALilac, grandjudge, Scarlet, Maknoon, Nolja and many other Koreans would like to have a word with you. So would the 15 million registered players, 1.4 million daily players and 3.7 million active hours of LoL games a day. Agreed, Lol is basically the 2nd biggest PC game out there, after Wow. SO getting an esports scene around it is a massive blessing to see how such a gigantic community fits with it. Remember how well WoW did in MLG? Bigger =/= better. I agree that this is good for e-sports but to use the amount of users that actively play it a day as a basis for how well the game is to do would not be an accurate representation. I'm sure both Halo and CoD have more players a day than SC2, but look at the spectator numbers for each game.
if LoL had just a hefty underbase this might be relevant
but LoL also pulls in a HUGE viewercount
as you said look at spectator numbers
and LoL pulls in more then SC2
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The whole "its a shitty viewer experience so it cant succeed" argument needs to stop.
200k people watched the dreamhack lol tournament at the same time. No one cares if you dont like it. 200k other people DO like to watch it. And 200k was WAY more than the sc2 streams pulled at dreamhack.
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Pretty much the same reason why they include Halo:Reach and Black Ops, a lot of spectator but utterly crap in terms of competitiveness (instead of... Quake, or CS/CS:S)
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I, for one, am uninterested in LoL.
More power to them though, we'll see how it pans out.
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On August 14 2011 04:38 SevenAteNine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 21:50 Goshawk. wrote:
It's not a question of the gameplay, it's a question of the viewers and it's been seen that LoL tournaments attract a ridiculous number of viewers. It's sad though that LoL still doesn't have a proper observer mode and we'll probably still see the crappy 6 player obs mode. -_- League of Legends has a much improved observer mode, they released it at dreamhack tho no pause feature lol
Exactly what does "a much improved observer mode" entail? What makes it different from an observer mode?
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On August 14 2011 04:38 SevenAteNine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 21:50 Goshawk. wrote:
It's not a question of the gameplay, it's a question of the viewers and it's been seen that LoL tournaments attract a ridiculous number of viewers. It's sad though that LoL still doesn't have a proper observer mode and we'll probably still see the crappy 6 player obs mode. -_- League of Legends has a much improved observer mode, they released it at dreamhack tho no pause feature lol
The observer function they showed in DH has yet to be implemented into the client so it's unclear whether it will be present at MLG or if they will be using the crappy 6 player thing they normally use.
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I really think they should have HoN instead of LoL.... Does any one know if DoTA 2 will be played at MLG when it does come out?
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On August 14 2011 06:45 Nivoh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:38 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 21:50 Goshawk. wrote:
It's not a question of the gameplay, it's a question of the viewers and it's been seen that LoL tournaments attract a ridiculous number of viewers. It's sad though that LoL still doesn't have a proper observer mode and we'll probably still see the crappy 6 player obs mode. -_- League of Legends has a much improved observer mode, they released it at dreamhack tho no pause feature lol Exactly what does "a much improved observer mode" entail? What makes it different from an observer mode?
Well, the current LoL has no observer mode, so any release is an improvement.
On August 14 2011 06:49 Goshawk. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:38 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 21:50 Goshawk. wrote:
It's not a question of the gameplay, it's a question of the viewers and it's been seen that LoL tournaments attract a ridiculous number of viewers. It's sad though that LoL still doesn't have a proper observer mode and we'll probably still see the crappy 6 player obs mode. -_- League of Legends has a much improved observer mode, they released it at dreamhack tho no pause feature lol The observer function they showed in DH has yet to be implemented into the client so it's unclear whether it will be present at MLG or if they will be using the crappy 6 player thing they normally use.
Since Riot was likely involved in gettint LoL into MLG, I'm sure they will get the observer mode set up for it.
On August 14 2011 06:55 .Johnny wrote:
I really think they should have HoN instead of LoL.... Does any one know if DoTA 2 will be played at MLG when it does come out?
MLG is considering HoN and DotA2 since Sundance has tweeted about both those games. I think someone earlier in this thread said that it's going to be LoL for Raleigh and HoN for Orlando just to test the waters for both games. Not really sure how accurate that statement is though.
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LoL has more potential as a spectator sport than sc2 (just my opinion)
The problem with LoL is that the competitive scene is so underdeveloped. Sure Riot is making their product show up at a lot of lan tournaments, but look at the actual competitive scene. Between tournaments do you see scrim channels on quakenet or gamesurge full of 5v5 teams looking for scrims? Nope, what you see are people like bigfatjiji solo/duo queueing with some girl he is carrying.
These top LoL players are top because they've played the most and get the most practice with other good LoL players, but they act like they've never been good at anything before so they are totally in it for the personal fame/glory.
It's just unfortunate they are too shortsighted to realize that if they really wanna grow their fame, they need to perpetuate the 5v5 competitive scene, getting scrim channels setup, encouraging the masses to make 5v5 teams and practice constantly, as opposed to living off of the solo/duo queues in the off time.
Basically it needs to be more like cs 1.6s competitive scene (at least from years ago)
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On August 14 2011 06:55 .Johnny wrote:
I really think they should have HoN instead of LoL.... Does any one know if DoTA 2 will be played at MLG when it does come out?
Once a few pages random person keeps saying this but with no argument behind it. Of course picking LoL over HoN is better for everyone except HoN's fans (since LoL is so popular now) so why would MLG bother? Especially since HoN aims at the EXACTLY same playerbase as DOTA2 ("hardcore" DOTA fans), while LoL doesn't (Riot wants the game to be accessible to everyone, not just gosu players)
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I recognize most of these teams names, but there are so little of them. Looks like it is going to be a short tournament...
Darn LoL games take so long.
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wow I thought it was going to be hon ><
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I guess this is pretty good for eSports in general, a lot of people will watch MLG because of this. And I'm sure my brother will be happy :D
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On August 13 2011 06:50 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Riot is most likely chipping in for the prize. Everything they do now is to offset what Valve is doing.
Yes, this seems like very little time before MLG Raleigh that LoL is suddenly/officially announced for MLG. But I'm sure Riot is pushing to have it in this MLG, instead of Orlando. They're comp'ing all the travel expenses no less. i was about to get super mad :D that mlg would suddenly find money to support lol when they said there was none when sc2 broke into the scene. but if this is a riot funded addition, atleast for the first event them im 100% for mlg expanding to more games
to be fair tourney streams at that time for sc2 were not cracking 20k in the western world. lol got 200k simultaneous views at dreamhack and gets 40k plus with online streamed tournies(often more but viewers get split between player streams)
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I'll definitely watch it.
But only because I played it cos it was free and understand the game.
If you don't play it there's really nothing to appreciate.
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On August 14 2011 06:59 robertdinh wrote:
LoL has more potential as a spectator sport than sc2 (just my opinion)
I don't know where you see this potential from, but the game is still so under-developed as an Esport I can't see it being spectator-friendly. If you want a spectator friendly UI, SC2 is a clearly a good example, but also look at hon's spectator UI.. popouts of the items when everyone someone buys it... good detailed info on the stats from last hits, g/m, and just very informative and spectator-friendly. Furthermore, the lack of a pause function really makes LoL a joke when compared to any game such as this where one game could easily take 30+ minutes and restarting a game is a very controversial thing to do.
I'm not a HoN fanboy who hates LoL, seeing as I play both at a high level but the two games have issues that will stop them from being successful in the esports scene unless things change. S2 has a horrible esports department and marketing that they just lagged in player base and will never truly bring enough players or anywhere near LoL to make HoN a heavily-supported game. (remember advertising is everything when it comes to sponsors). Riot also runs LoL as a business and the game was 100% never intended to be concentrated as a esport at the start If you want to argue this, you'll have to explain the lack of a pause, when the bane of dota was the fact that pausing/reconnecting was impossible.. which was btw what made HoN very friendly to dota players. This is also ignoring the fact that they need to have a special server where all heroes are available and observer. Also you need to download a third-party program to get replays? This definitely does not seem to be the making of a game with esports in mind. Most esports-oriented games will try to start people on even-footing and let the skills take care of the rest, not provide perks in which people need to purchase or play for a while to earn. Riot runs LoL like a business, which is fine, but they haven't been and need to start making changes to the game that makes it spectator-friendly and develop it towards being a esport.
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On August 14 2011 08:13 quickclickz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 06:59 robertdinh wrote:
LoL has more potential as a spectator sport than sc2 (just my opinion)
I don't know where you see this potential from, but the game is still so under-developed as an Esport I can't see it being spectator-friendly. If you want a spectator friendly UI, SC2 is a clearly a good example, but also look at hon's spectator UI.. popouts of the items when everyone someone buys it... good detailed info on the stats from last hits, g/m, and just very informative and spectator-friendly. Furthermore, the lack of a pause function really makes LoL a joke when compared to any game such as this where one game could easily take 30+ minutes and restarting a game is a very controversial thing to do. I'm not a HoN fanboy who hates LoL, seeing as I play both at a high level but the two games have issues that will stop them from being successful in the esports scene unless things change. S2 has a horrible esports department and marketing that they just lagged in player base and will never truly bring enough players or anywhere near LoL to make HoN a heavily-supported game. (remember advertising is everything when it comes to sponsors). Riot also runs LoL as a business and the game was 100% never intended to be concentrated as a esport at the start If you want to argue this, you'll have to explain the lack of a pause, when the bane of dota was the fact that pausing/reconnecting was impossible.. which was btw what made HoN very friendly to dota players. This is also ignoring the fact that they need to have a special server where all heroes are available and observer. Also you need to download a third-party program to get replays? This definitely does not seem to be the making of a game with esports in mind. Most esports-oriented games will try to start people on even-footing and let the skills take care of the rest, not provide perks in which people need to purchase or play for a while to earn. Riot runs LoL like a business, which is fine, but they haven't been and need to start making changes to the game that makes it spectator-friendly and develop it towards being a esport.
Potential being the key word... Any team based game has way more potential as an esport... Look at cs 1.6... look at even WoW. WoW arena was pathetic as an esport, and blizzard made it impossible to continue promoting it at lans... but it got more viewers than any other esport game.
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bo7 league will take so ridiculously long
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always glad to see more epsorts, but L O L having a best of 7? that will take hours...
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The top teams tend to pass the reign down between each other a lot.
Crs just beat TSM in IEM Qualifiers.
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On August 14 2011 09:49 Postaljester wrote:
always glad to see more epsorts, but L O L having a best of 7? that will take hours...
There's only 4 teams... you can't just Bo3 it through, having a tournament that lasts for 3 hours would be really lame. I doubt it will last as long as the SC2 tournament anyway.
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On August 14 2011 06:55 .Johnny wrote:
I really think they should have HoN instead of LoL.... Does any one know if DoTA 2 will be played at MLG when it does come out?
Idk why people keep saying this????!! At least say something to prove your argument. It's the same sentence "they should have HoN instead of LoL" but no plausible reason "why".
LOL has a huge fan base, more users/players and the fact that player streams can go up to 30k+ ie. Hotshot. HoN was pressure to make it to F2p but i think its too late.
I think LOL was an obvious choice, DOTA2 will surely be popular once it comes out but both games can coexist just like BW and SC2. Tbh i think LOL will stay dominant in NA and kinda EU.
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Does anyone know if they are scheduling the LoL finals on Saturday night? Or will they be after the SC2 finals on Sunday?
I really hope the finals dont conflict.
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LOL nice nice hope to see dota2 when it comes out. damn.. if mlg continues the finals cud become something in the lines of superbowl for nerds.
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On August 14 2011 10:49 BlueBird. wrote:
Does anyone know if they are scheduling the LoL finals on Saturday night? Or will they be after the SC2 finals on Sunday?
I really hope the finals dont conflict.
First post has the schedule...
On August 13 2011 06:37 R1CH wrote:
The schedule (in ET):
Saturday 10:00AM – 8:00PM Streamed Pool Play Matches
Sunday 10:00AM – 1:45PM Streamed Championship Finals
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I can't wait til SC2 pros start migrating to LoL.
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On August 14 2011 11:51 tissue wrote:
I can't wait til SC2 pros start migrating to LoL.
doubtful. individually they win less money and LoL has a different skill set than SC2
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On August 14 2011 12:06 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 11:51 tissue wrote:
I can't wait til SC2 pros start migrating to LoL. doubtful. individually they win less money and LoL has a different skill set than SC2
You mean LoL have no skill. Why anyone even competing in that casual crap, I wonder.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 14 2011 12:45 lynxdaftpunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 12:06 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 14 2011 11:51 tissue wrote:
I can't wait til SC2 pros start migrating to LoL. doubtful. individually they win less money and LoL has a different skill set than SC2 You mean LoL have no skill. Why anyone even competing in that casual crap, I wonder.
Id love for you to put together a team and take on CLG. Id be amazed if your team got a kill.
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Happy they are adding a MOBA game (that's what genre right?), but i hope that when DOTA2 is released they get that instead because i personally don't find LoL that fun in comparison to dota.
Now they just need to add a Fighting game (cough Street Fighter cough).
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I play LoL so call me a fan boy, but while many claim HoN/Dota/Dota2 are more competetive, LoL has the most players by far. This, more than anything else, will set it apart, at least where MLG is concerned. And for once, popularity is a good thing =D (At least in my eyes).
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On August 14 2011 13:13 Belac wrote:
I play LoL so call me a fan boy, but while many claim HoN/Dota/Dota2 are more competetive, LoL has the most players by far. This, more than anything else, will set it apart, at least where MLG is concerned. And for once, popularity is a good thing =D (At least in my eyes).
No, thats not true, maybe if you dont count China (dota is really really big in china) they are kinda equal, but if you count china is not close.
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On August 14 2011 08:19 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 08:13 quickclickz wrote:On August 14 2011 06:59 robertdinh wrote:
LoL has more potential as a spectator sport than sc2 (just my opinion)
I don't know where you see this potential from, but the game is still so under-developed as an Esport I can't see it being spectator-friendly. If you want a spectator friendly UI, SC2 is a clearly a good example, but also look at hon's spectator UI.. popouts of the items when everyone someone buys it... good detailed info on the stats from last hits, g/m, and just very informative and spectator-friendly. Furthermore, the lack of a pause function really makes LoL a joke when compared to any game such as this where one game could easily take 30+ minutes and restarting a game is a very controversial thing to do. I'm not a HoN fanboy who hates LoL, seeing as I play both at a high level but the two games have issues that will stop them from being successful in the esports scene unless things change. S2 has a horrible esports department and marketing that they just lagged in player base and will never truly bring enough players or anywhere near LoL to make HoN a heavily-supported game. (remember advertising is everything when it comes to sponsors). Riot also runs LoL as a business and the game was 100% never intended to be concentrated as a esport at the start If you want to argue this, you'll have to explain the lack of a pause, when the bane of dota was the fact that pausing/reconnecting was impossible.. which was btw what made HoN very friendly to dota players. This is also ignoring the fact that they need to have a special server where all heroes are available and observer. Also you need to download a third-party program to get replays? This definitely does not seem to be the making of a game with esports in mind. Most esports-oriented games will try to start people on even-footing and let the skills take care of the rest, not provide perks in which people need to purchase or play for a while to earn. Riot runs LoL like a business, which is fine, but they haven't been and need to start making changes to the game that makes it spectator-friendly and develop it towards being a esport. Potential being the key word... Any team based game has way more potential as an esport... Look at cs 1.6... look at even WoW. WoW arena was pathetic as an esport, and blizzard made it impossible to continue promoting it at lans... but it got more viewers than any other esport game.
Do you know about a game called BW? The most successful esport in the world. No game, let alone team games, right now (maybe except for SC2 with time) comes close to having the potential to mirror its success as an esport.
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+1 for eSports. -1 for a choosing a terrible game. I guess they balance out. haha
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So much hate.....sigh.
Eventually people will learn I suppose, or at least find a new target.
No one seems to remember that for the first 6 months people treated SC2 the same way...
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I hope they realize a bo7 in LoL is going to take a minimum of 2.5 hours because a game is about 35-45 minutes at the level I play. ( I've never actually watched pros play- very boring to watch imo, but extremely fun to play) Well i guess it is only 4 teams so not too many games anyways. Hope it works out for them.. but i mean DotA 2 is coming out- why pick up LoL now?
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I never understood why MOBA tournaments were any more then bo3. As a player, I can relate to the notion of "we got counter-comp'd, therefore deserve a second chance, etc" but as a spectator I never really had the energy to watch more then 2-3 MOBA games straight because it's so boring and repetitive.
You'd imagine that the same would apply to SC2, but for some reason I can watch it all day. (err, maybe for like 4 hours).
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On August 14 2011 15:16 Jojo131 wrote:
I never understood why MOBA tournaments were any more then bo3. As a player, I can relate to the notion of "we got counter-comp'd, therefore deserve a second chance, etc" but as a spectator I never really had the energy to watch more then 2-3 MOBA games straight because it's so boring and repetitive.
You'd imagine that the same would apply to SC2, but for some reason I can watch it all day. (err, maybe for like 4 hours).
It's the normal MLG extended series, so it's just like 2 bo3's with maybe a possibility of 1 extra game (compared to 2 bo3) if it goes 2-0 in pool play and end up 4-3.
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It is exciting to see another game being added to the MLG line up, especially since it is another computer game. However, I do not think that LoL is incredibly fun to watch. It has a large fan base, and that is something it has going for it, but in terms of spectating I think the numbers are all it has going for it. I am not sure that having it at MLG is going to boost the player/spectator base of the game at all.
Again, it's great that MLG is adding another game, but I hope it doesn't take too much away from SC2. I hope the people who watch it and play it stay loyal and help more people to get into it so we can continue to see the game grow in the esports scene.
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Well, MOBAs generally aren't that fun to watch for people who don't play them. There's so much presumed knowledge that you have to know and the laning phase isn't the most watchable either, I suppose. I really don't think LoL will make it as a popular esport, and perhaps not DotA 2 either. I love playing LoL (more than DotA or SC2), but it's just not watchable imo
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Why people feel like going in this thread just to hate is beyond me.
Show some bloody respect guys
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The more the merrier, anybody who thinks this is a bad thing is a child.
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On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership. League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT.
If they did this, the view count would be in the 6 digits, so yeah no.
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On August 14 2011 17:44 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership. League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT. If they did this, the view count would be in the 6 digits, so yeah no.
It was six digits, actually, but still this rumor is definitely not true. There was a link to the stream in the client that you could click if you wanted to watch the Dreamhack competition, but simply having the client open did not count you as a viewer.
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On August 14 2011 18:07 crate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 17:44 Iplaythings wrote:On August 13 2011 22:05 Nivoh wrote:On August 13 2011 19:52 SevenAteNine wrote:On August 13 2011 19:43 Doomwish wrote:
Are games like Dota and LoL worth watching to casual viewers ?
Games like halo and sc2 have a kind of spectator appeal to them even if you do not play them.
Some games do not translate well over to a full on esport that can carry a solid viewership. League of legends sports a 180k viewership at this years Dreamhack im pretty sure that trumps any sc2 stream to date by far as far as daily streams LoL pulls just as much as sc2 if not more on own3d.tv RIOT made it so that everybody who was in the LoL lobby counted as a viewer, even tho you couldn't actually view it thru the lobby, there was a link there. WP RIOT. If they did this, the view count would be in the 6 digits, so yeah no. It was six digits, actually, but still this rumor is definitely not true. There was a link to the stream in the client that you could click if you wanted to watch the Dreamhack competition, but simply having the client open did not count you as a viewer.
I meant in the millions, as in 7 digits T_T
darn typos
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The people who are criticising LoL for being in the lineup have no idea on the fanbase that the game has.
Dreamhack at one point hit 200k viewers (note, 2x that of SC2's viewer count). It got there based on popularity, whether you like it or not it's going to be quite successful in the overall E--sports community.
Edit:
MLG always likes adding the more "popular" games, although I'll admit they haven't exactly worked out in the past (SSBB anyone?)
Its one of those things where even if you don't like the game, no need to criticize them for trying to spread the game.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:59 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope they realize a bo7 in LoL is going to take a minimum of 2.5 hours because a game is about 35-45 minutes at the level I play. ( I've never actually watched pros play- very boring to watch imo, but extremely fun to play) Well i guess it is only 4 teams so not too many games anyways. Hope it works out for them.. but i mean DotA 2 is coming out- why pick up LoL now?
It'll take like a fucking year to complete if it somehow happens to go 7 games. Probably looking at 40 minute games with like 15 minutes to pick and ban and get everyone ready.
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a bo7 is gonna take an entire day
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On August 14 2011 22:16 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:59 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope they realize a bo7 in LoL is going to take a minimum of 2.5 hours because a game is about 35-45 minutes at the level I play. ( I've never actually watched pros play- very boring to watch imo, but extremely fun to play) Well i guess it is only 4 teams so not too many games anyways. Hope it works out for them.. but i mean DotA 2 is coming out- why pick up LoL now? It'll take like a fucking year to complete if it somehow happens to go 7 games. Probably looking at 40 minute games with like 15 minutes to pick and ban and get everyone ready.
MLG uses the "extended series" though, and because LoL is going to be pool play every team will play every other team in a bo3 before the finals. So at most the finals will go to 5 games, and even that's unlikely because of the huge psychological disadvantage of starting a bo7 down 0-2.
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On August 14 2011 22:40 c.Deadly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 22:16 Roffles wrote:On August 14 2011 14:59 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope they realize a bo7 in LoL is going to take a minimum of 2.5 hours because a game is about 35-45 minutes at the level I play. ( I've never actually watched pros play- very boring to watch imo, but extremely fun to play) Well i guess it is only 4 teams so not too many games anyways. Hope it works out for them.. but i mean DotA 2 is coming out- why pick up LoL now? It'll take like a fucking year to complete if it somehow happens to go 7 games. Probably looking at 40 minute games with like 15 minutes to pick and ban and get everyone ready. MLG uses the "extended series" though, and because LoL is going to be pool play every team will play every other team in a bo3 before the finals. So at most the finals will go to 5 games, and even that's unlikely because of the huge psychological disadvantage of starting a bo7 down 0-2.
Tell that to MC.
Though, it will still be a long finals more than likely. LoL games can drag on even if one sided.
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i guess i need to figure out what is going on so i can watch these games. right now to me it just looks like characters running at each other :|
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I'd much rather watch DotA or HoN. So I guess I'm glad they didn't chose one of those; I won't have to watch another stream simultaneously.
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On August 15 2011 00:25 dapanman wrote:
I'd much rather watch DotA or HoN. So I guess I'm glad they didn't chose one of those; I won't have to watch another stream simultaneously.
Can't wait for Dota2 :D
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Can we just put a warning at the top that any post bashing LoL or saying how much better some other game will be an automatic ban?
It's really gotten old.
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On August 14 2011 13:31 kinger256 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 08:19 robertdinh wrote:On August 14 2011 08:13 quickclickz wrote:On August 14 2011 06:59 robertdinh wrote:
LoL has more potential as a spectator sport than sc2 (just my opinion)
I don't know where you see this potential from, but the game is still so under-developed as an Esport I can't see it being spectator-friendly. If you want a spectator friendly UI, SC2 is a clearly a good example, but also look at hon's spectator UI.. popouts of the items when everyone someone buys it... good detailed info on the stats from last hits, g/m, and just very informative and spectator-friendly. Furthermore, the lack of a pause function really makes LoL a joke when compared to any game such as this where one game could easily take 30+ minutes and restarting a game is a very controversial thing to do. I'm not a HoN fanboy who hates LoL, seeing as I play both at a high level but the two games have issues that will stop them from being successful in the esports scene unless things change. S2 has a horrible esports department and marketing that they just lagged in player base and will never truly bring enough players or anywhere near LoL to make HoN a heavily-supported game. (remember advertising is everything when it comes to sponsors). Riot also runs LoL as a business and the game was 100% never intended to be concentrated as a esport at the start If you want to argue this, you'll have to explain the lack of a pause, when the bane of dota was the fact that pausing/reconnecting was impossible.. which was btw what made HoN very friendly to dota players. This is also ignoring the fact that they need to have a special server where all heroes are available and observer. Also you need to download a third-party program to get replays? This definitely does not seem to be the making of a game with esports in mind. Most esports-oriented games will try to start people on even-footing and let the skills take care of the rest, not provide perks in which people need to purchase or play for a while to earn. Riot runs LoL like a business, which is fine, but they haven't been and need to start making changes to the game that makes it spectator-friendly and develop it towards being a esport. Potential being the key word... Any team based game has way more potential as an esport... Look at cs 1.6... look at even WoW. WoW arena was pathetic as an esport, and blizzard made it impossible to continue promoting it at lans... but it got more viewers than any other esport game. Do you know about a game called BW? The most successful esport in the world. No game, let alone team games, right now (maybe except for SC2 with time) comes close to having the potential to mirror its success as an esport.
No, sorry, bw is the most successful esport in korea, not the world. It never took on a global scale to the degree that games like 1.6, quake series, and hell even WoW took.
Im not trying to downplay bw, i love it to death, much more than I love sc2, but when you look at esports you have to look at it thoroughly, what is big in what regions and why. Many have cited LoL as having tons of viewers for some event, WoW and CS have been known to have massive viewership in their primes as well. In korea 1v1 rts is king, outside of it, different picture.
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Remember how well WoW did in MLG? Bigger =/= better. I agree that this is good for e-sports but to use the amount of users that actively play it a day as a basis for how well the game is to do would not be an accurate representation. I'm sure both Halo and CoD have more players a day than SC2, but look at the spectator numbers for each game.
Yea but WoW is just, inarguably, a terrible e-sports game. It's painfully obvious the only reason it was attempted was the sheer amount of players that played the game. Spectating an arena match is basically just looking at health bars, that's it, it's just not fun.
DotA esque games are nowhere near that magnitude of horrible for observers, although I personally don't find them as enjoyable for RTS style games, it's a lot more watchable, and LoL has already proven that there's a big audience for the game.
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Not a fan of LOL HoN style games as a spectator or a competitive sport but glad its coming to MLG.
Just wish that they would put money into SC2.....
People at MLG probably decided to not put that much money into SC2 cuz they know that SC2 will succeed despite the prize pool while other games *cough* Dota2 *cough* would not do as well without a massive prize pool.
Ill watch a game or two
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On August 15 2011 06:00 Veritas.13 wrote:
Not a fan of LOL HoN style games as a spectator or a competitive sport but glad its coming to MLG.
Just wish that they would put money into SC2.....
People at MLG probably decided to not put that much money into SC2 cuz they know that SC2 will succeed despite the prize pool while other games *cough* Dota2 *cough* would not do as well without a massive prize pool.
Ill watch a game or two
The issue with the SC2 prize money was dealt with a while ago with Sundance on SotG iirc. MLG could not be certain of the success of SC2 during its planning phase last year and they also like to keep their prize pool approximately equivalent between the games (~$4000/1st place player). I think someone mentioned that they are reconsidering the policy of a static prize pool for next year, but who knows if that will happen.
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What is with all the hate. Guys need cool your jets, you don't HAVE to watch you know, but there are a quite a few people who enjoy watching League of Legends.
Personally I'll be watching both SC2 and LoL. Go Esports.
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Cool im excited to see LoL being played but if its a bo7 wont that take like forever? Oh well i love alot of content!
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LoL sux. Even subpar dota pubber can play it at highest levels...
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 15 2011 06:53 Zhul wrote:
LoL sux. Even subpar dota pubber can play it at highest levels...
because they are both moba's? cool observation bro!
i am a lol player that tried dota and hon and can play them both at a high level... this is surprising to you?
people need to stop the LoL bashing.. reported
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The inclusion of LoL is nothing but good news for esports. To those that see this as a stupid move because they themselves dont enjoy the game need to reexamine how they stand for, or against something. The fanbase of this game is massive. There's no chance that this could be a bad thing for MLG or esports as a form of entertainment.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
lol no European teams invited...aAa and fnatic would've been awesome to have, hopefully they'll come next time!
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I understand why some people want HoN in MLG seeing that HoN stands as a strong remainder of the DotA legacy in terms of mechanics and resemblance, but LoL has been recognized for its community, staff, and competitive play: WCG, ESL, Dreamhack. Hard to ignore such a game that can gain 200,000 viewers at on time for a stream either.
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Halo and Black Ops are so screwed.
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I think MLG's streaming service will break from the load of LoL viewers. Not sure if I should feel happy or not.
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On August 13 2011 09:37 Pwnographics wrote:
I don't like this decision by MLG, it seems very likely in the near future that DotA 2 will replace LoL at MLG due to the larger money pool that Valve has to offer as well as the potentially larger playerbase.
for the potentially larger "playerbase" i copied/pasted this from the LoL forums, as it is written in the note by riots presi Marc Merrill
"(...)As of today, 15 million people have registered to become League of Legends players. Each month, over 4 million people log in to play. And on each day, 1.4 million summoners play League of Legends together.
When we’re at our busiest, over 500,000 people in North America and Europe are in game at the same time. On average, more than 10 games of League of Legends start every second of every day. As we expand into Asia and abroad, the possibilities around live, global events makes the game enthusiast in all of us shake with excitement.(...)"
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can't believe ppl play lol over hon. maybe before it made sense if you couldn't afford the $30, but now it's f2p so.. I see no reason to still play LoL.
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On August 16 2011 01:09 Ruckol1 wrote:
can't believe ppl play lol over hon. maybe before it made sense if you couldn't afford the $30, but now it's f2p so.. I see no reason to still play LoL.
It might have something to do with their community. From what i've heard it's een worse than lol's. Also the early access thing I even worse than lol's system. Can't even buy them without real money.
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On August 16 2011 01:09 Ruckol1 wrote:
can't believe ppl play lol over hon. maybe before it made sense if you couldn't afford the $30, but now it's f2p so.. I see no reason to still play LoL.
lol maybe this reason
"The League of Legends Season Two prize pool will feature a record setting $5 million prize pool! "
from official website.
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United States2822 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:15 Jimqi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 01:09 Ruckol1 wrote:
can't believe ppl play lol over hon. maybe before it made sense if you couldn't afford the $30, but now it's f2p so.. I see no reason to still play LoL. It might have something to do with their community. From what i've heard it's een worse than lol's. Also the early access thing I even worse than lol's system. Can't even buy them without real money.
Also Riot is ~1000% (give or take) more supportive of their community than S2 is.
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United States37500 Posts
Actually, I don't think there is a company that communicates/liaisons with their community as much as Riot does. Not everything Riot does is progressive but no one can ever blame them for not caring.
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On August 15 2011 14:03 echO [W] wrote:
Halo and Black Ops are so screwed.
I'd be very interessed to see how much money / how many viewers theses games gather.
Sure thing black ops has sell for one billion dollar or whatever but how many ppl that owns black ops even know MLG exist...
IMO MLG should be about PC gaming and I think they're slowly making the move. Not only it's were competitive gaming is at but It's were the viewers at.
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Always nice to see new games added to MLG. I'll definitely be watching, but unfortunately I do fall under the category of people that would otherwise post "rofl LoL is gay" if I didn't think before I spoke. ^_^
I say bring back Tekken! That shit was awesome to watch live!!
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Sorry Wall of Text incoming!
SC2 is the only game I have stayed up til 4 am to watch, I love watching SC2 games even though I do not play anymore. I do currently play League of Legends, and I love both games. I am very excited to see both at MLG because they both have such a great feel to them to play and watch. I read through this whole thread and wanted to share my pov
Viewing experience:
SC2 is a great game to watch because even if you don't know what is going on you know player A needs to kill Player B to win. There is no other objective just kill them to win. I relate this to watching Tennis, Even if you know nothing about the game you know one guy has to beat the other and the players are the same the only thing that changes is the court (map) The court has a lot to do with who wins and can sometimes favor a certain type of player more then others.
This makes for a very easy to pick up and show to others game that is understandable even by people unfamiliar with the game. Now new people will not know what is actually going on or why the spin on the ball mattered so much (why did that BFH drop make the announcers go crazy?!) But when a great defense of an attack happens it is like watching a great volley the longer it goes the more excitement builds and the crazier it feels when the player holds or breaks barely. Very fast pace very good game the more you know the better appreciation you get for the game.
League of Legends is more like watching American Football, The field is always the same (1 map) but the teams are always different and some teams have stronger players then others. You always know the objective is to score but there are small victories through out the game. (think getting first downs and field goals) In football you play a back and forth game where a big play (team fight) can be a score (take down a tower or two) then you go back on Defense til there is another big play.
This style lends it self very much the public once they know the goals and structure, Which I attribute to how good the announcers are, This is the biggest problem in League of Legends nobody is really explaining or color commentating. hopefully this will change when they release the Spectator mode as commentators will have much more practice. But if you don't know the spells for EVERY character you will be lost?! not really the animation and cartoony feel makes it so you see what is happening clearly and sometimes you are just amazed at some of the things that happen. Knowing all the moves is great but it is not needed, it is for fantasy players like back seat qb's who have more in depth look at the game and know the stats every player gets. They know why certain running backs will have great games against certain defenses but at the pro level the competition is so good you don't need to know that to enjoy.
But it is so Casual play!:
Yes the Game in its essence is Casual, because it is free to play. This is not a bad thing though, to keep with the analogy above SC2 is like Tennis because you appreciate the pro's for their skill and know you can not do it like they do. Also it takes money to play Tennis, and a lot of dedication, practice and determination.
League of Legends is like football in that you can watch a pro game then grab a ball for next to nothing (free to play) and go play with your friends in the yard acting like you are Manning throwing it to Clark. (after dream hack a lot of people suddenly played Gragas thinking they were a pro)
The game in its essence is easy to pick up and play but that only gives it a bigger audience and keeps more people involved but the pro's are still much, much better then any back yard players there are.
HoN is better!
Everyone has their own taste, Some people love baseball because it is America's sport. They are each great in their own way. Dota 2 will most likely have a huge player base but if it is not Free 2 play they will not compete with the ease of entry to the Game.
In the end I feel that this is great for the E-Sports community and can have a huge impact in the near future if Riot releases the tools for better commentators to be known. I for one will be watching both through out MLG !
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On August 16 2011 02:30 scDeluX wrote:IMO MLG should be about PC gaming and I think they're slowly making the move. Not only it's were competitive gaming is at but It's were the viewers at.
There's nothing to support that they're shifting to PC over consoles. It's simply a matter of numbers for the game being added. Drawing a conclusion based on one change is foolish.
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On August 16 2011 01:09 Ruckol1 wrote:
can't believe ppl play lol over hon. maybe before it made sense if you couldn't afford the $30, but now it's f2p so.. I see no reason to still play LoL.
Because HoN and LoL are two different games and people have their own preferences.
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On August 16 2011 01:15 Jimqi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 01:09 Ruckol1 wrote:
can't believe ppl play lol over hon. maybe before it made sense if you couldn't afford the $30, but now it's f2p so.. I see no reason to still play LoL. It might have something to do with their community. From what i've heard it's een worse than lol's. Also the early access thing I even worse than lol's system. Can't even buy them without real money.
Ehh for me the reason is pretty simple, I think LoL is a better game
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LoL ftw ^^
I hope they add some more teams for future MLGs.
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For those of you guys who are thinking that only 4 teams is small...
A well balanced game can take up to 45+ minutes to complete in a 5v5 setting. Making each team v team setup taking 4 hours if only 4 matches are played. Kind of like pool play which is what I am going to guess will be Saturdays festivities.
Then the actual tournament play which is another 4 total games which could take up 16 hours is all matches take an hour and they broadcast the two lower matches instead of just the semi-finals and finals. They could use all 3 days but didn't. So there will be lots of hours of play to watch!
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why not - going to see a bunch of games :D
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Meh gratz to mlg for picking it up, but im not gonna watch it unless the SC2 and halo streams are both on break. Its fun to play but not too watch.
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LoL ftw! Kog'Maw ftw! CHOGATH FTW!
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THe success or failure of this will almost entirely depend on who casts this. You find the Day9 of LoL, league of legends will soar. You find a shitty caster, the game will see a quick end on the MLG circuit
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I'll have to check this out. Never really got into the game but it will be nice to see a new game come to the circuit. It has kind of been lacking variety lately.
My biggest worry is that there will be dumbass casters.. like the ones on the Black Ops stream.
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can anyone there tell us how the LoL event is going? im curious how popular it is and everything
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On August 27 2011 11:00 JiYan wrote:
can anyone there tell us how the LoL event is going? im curious how popular it is and everything
It doesn't start until tomorow.
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my bad i realized that after searching the mlg site. ill be curious to see how it is tomorrow though
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