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baneling
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada56 Posts
May 26 2011 15:23 GMT
#221
I didn't expect the number of feeding cases I've seen but I didn't think they really even needed to put a pardon button in.

Most people playing LoL aren't going to report someone for no reason, and if these are the cases where multiple people are reporting someone, and it's happening repeatedly in game after game, odds are they deserve a punishment.

It'll be a rare occurrence that someone gets reported by multiple people game after game but it all turns out to be unfounded and deserve a pardon.
Dyme
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany523 Posts
May 26 2011 15:28 GMT
#222
Haha, this is so bad.

This sounds like a very stupid idea to me. Would be like making random people moderate teamliquid.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 26 2011 15:30 GMT
#223
Well it just seems like people don't report all that much for mild offenses. The few instances where it happens just don't add up enough on a single player to put him on the tribunal.
And part of those reports for mild offenses land on players who also get reported for serious offenses, so you hit punish anyways.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
May 26 2011 16:14 GMT
#224
I couldn't do any tribunal cases today.

Was hitting the punish button on everything really that bad?

Spine: the cases we get are filtered. Right now we only get to judge the worst cases in order to protect the innocent from possible mob lynching.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 26 2011 16:15 GMT
#225
I have 0 cases too . wtf
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 26 2011 18:31 GMT
#226
Same here. I want my IP anyway.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 26 2011 20:11 GMT
#227
On May 27 2011 01:15 Mogwai wrote:
I have 0 cases too . wtf

They appeared to be slow at reseting it today, I was finally able to review some a bit ago. Hopefully the email we are supposed to get with our reward comes soon.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
May 26 2011 20:30 GMT
#228
This person came into the game with the intent of trolling. He was mentioning things like "If my team sucks, I'll make sure my team loses" and "I'm the elo police; I make sure teams that don't deserve to win don't win" and etc.


I finally got Nasol Moment. He has quite the colorful history...

A few more entertaining moments...

xXLordPredatorXx [All] [00:44:06]: omg shitt amumu never use ult pwoerrr
xXLordPredatorXx [All] [00:44:09]: motehr fck shitt
-
xXLordPredatorXx[All] [02:21:13]: i ivntie shaco custom game 1 vs 1 ?
xXLordPredatorXx[All] [02:21:16]: INVITE U ?
xXLordPredatorXx[All] [02:21:19]: ONLY U AND ME
xXLordPredatorXx[All] [02:21:22]: CSUTOM GAME ?
xXLordPredatorXx[All] [02:21:26]: ACCEPT SHACO SHITT ?
-
xXLordPredatorXx[All] [14:55:16]: IS MUCH TO BRAIN ?
xXLordPredatorXx[All] [14:55:20]: IS VEYR AHRD TOA SHTIT ?
xXLordPredatorXx[All] [14:55:22]: WOW


I think it's trying to speak English.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
May 26 2011 21:30 GMT
#229
One thing that really scares me in these reported games is how often people type "nice mia, i just died cause you are bad" etc.

I'm always amazed at people's ability to find excuses o.o
Gandling
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom126 Posts
May 26 2011 21:35 GMT
#230
Reported guy: WTF NO MIA?!
Teammate: What? Jax is in your lane

Then chat went strangely silent for a minute or two.

:D

dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
May 26 2011 22:13 GMT
#231
Got Nasol moment today. I didn't realize ELO policing involved calling people fags D:
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 22:28:20
May 26 2011 22:26 GMT
#232
On May 27 2011 07:13 dnastyx wrote:
Got Nasol moment today. I didn't realize ELO policing involved calling people fags D:

Nasol apparently didn't read the ELO police thread very carefully. All of Caller's examples involve doing things that piss of your team but AREN'T actually bannable (e.g. stealing farm, baiting teammates, etc.).

If you follow the spirit of the law, but not the letter, you're a vigilante, not a policeman.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 26 2011 22:47 GMT
#233
Sigh. I almost got a chance to pardon a guy today. All he did was call his team retards, which I have no problem with. Then he had to go and afk in one of his games. Cant have that, insta punish.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
May 27 2011 00:03 GMT
#234
Erky Timbers[All] [02:32:51]: i need to work on my anger issues, last game i smashed a glass jar over my head and now i just about punched my screen

Brees on in
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 27 2011 01:30 GMT
#235
On May 27 2011 09:03 Brees wrote:
Erky Timbers[All] [02:32:51]: i need to work on my anger issues, last game i smashed a glass jar over my head and now i just about punched my screen



I hope you pardoned him for that. He might commit suicide if he got banned...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 14:03:22
May 27 2011 14:02 GMT
#236
0pherion
The basic goal of the IP award is to be roughly equivalent to the IP received for the equivalent amount of time spent in game. I am working with our internal customers to:

1. Prove that our summoners are spending more than 1 minute / case file.
2. Get an average amount of time spent by summoners to determine what a more appropriate award would be.


source: http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=2285699#post2285699

So basically you won't get any more IP for tribunal than you would have for just playing the game, unless you do what they don't want you to do and do your tribunal in queue and champ select where you hardly have the time to make a proper decision with a grey area case.

Personally I don't enjoy reading most of the chat logs. This basically means every moment I'm *working* in the tribunal I could be playing the game *for fun* and get exactly the same reward. As long as this is Riot's policy there is no incentive for me to continue helping them.

Moreover, I think this is deeply flawed for the public in general. If Tribunal doesn't reward people more than playing the game there's no reason for the average person to do it. If you asked someone to choose between being paid $3/hour for tribunal or being paid the same for playing LoL the answer is obvious.

Finally, if you earn the same amount of IP over time in tribunal as you do in game their incentive to make correct decisions is meaningless. So what if you're so good you have 100 cases a day? I can earn the same amount of average IP as you do with 1 case a day if I just play the game instead! And if I hit ban or pardon every time at 1 minute, depending on how lucky I am, I can earn more IP on average than you do!

These flaws are incredibly obvious and I can't see how it will work out unless the playerbase is ignorant or somehow there are enough altruistic people (or people who can correctly judge cases during game queue) to take care of things by themselves.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
baneling
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada56 Posts
May 27 2011 14:11 GMT
#237
I've hit the first case where I'm legit stumped and considering a pardon. It's a case for OohSooDead.

Basically he's a douche in every game, he's constantly talking down to his teammates and the other team pretty much from the start of the game. He swears a bit, no racial slurs or anything completely out of line. He did afk one game but it only happened once.

So on one hand I feel like, he didn't get out of line too bad, he swore but no racial slurs that I saw. But on the other hand he was reported a lot and is obviously ruining or degrading the game experience for a lot of people and generally seems like someone not very fun to play with.

In the end I've decided to click punish. The reasoning being the tribunal is judgement by a jury of your peers, and while he may not have got out of hand in any single game I feel the culmination of it all makes it clear enough to me that he is not someone of value to the community.
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
May 27 2011 14:16 GMT
#238
1) Queue up and Tribunal during wait time and when you are dead
2) ?????
3) Profit

Seriously though hopefully Tribunal will take some burden off of the game servers so they don't explode as often
FADC
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 27 2011 14:16 GMT
#239
On May 27 2011 23:02 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
0pherion
The basic goal of the IP award is to be roughly equivalent to the IP received for the equivalent amount of time spent in game. I am working with our internal customers to:

1. Prove that our summoners are spending more than 1 minute / case file.
2. Get an average amount of time spent by summoners to determine what a more appropriate award would be.


source: http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=2285699#post2285699

So basically you won't get any more IP for tribunal than you would have for just playing the game, unless you do what they don't want you to do and do your tribunal in queue and champ select where you hardly have the time to make a proper decision with a grey area case.

Personally I don't enjoy reading most of the chat logs. This basically means every moment I'm *working* in the tribunal I could be playing the game *for fun* and get exactly the same reward. As long as this is Riot's policy there is no incentive for me to continue helping them.

Moreover, I think this is deeply flawed for the public in general. If Tribunal doesn't reward people more than playing the game there's no reason for the average person to do it. If you asked someone to choose between being paid $3/hour for tribunal or being paid the same for playing LoL the answer is obvious.

Finally, if you earn the same amount of IP over time in tribunal as you do in game their incentive to make correct decisions is meaningless. So what if you're so good you have 100 cases a day? I can earn the same amount of average IP as you do with 1 case a day if I just play the game instead! And if I hit ban or pardon every time at 1 minute, depending on how lucky I am, I can earn more IP on average than you do!

These flaws are incredibly obvious and I can't see how it will work out unless the playerbase is ignorant or somehow there are enough altruistic people (or people who can correctly judge cases during game queue) to take care of things by themselves.

This all assumes that every moment you are punishing people in the Tribunal, you could be playing a game. I can log onto the Tribunal at work, where I can't play LoL, indiscriminately punish people and get IP. Or lets say I don't have time to play LoL, but I do have 3 minutes to click Punish 3 times. Free IP, little effort.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 15:05:23
May 27 2011 15:04 GMT
#240
Clicking punish 3 times in 3 minutes is something Riot explicitly stated they want to avoid. If it becomes a pattern it will be discouraged somehow.

Multitasking between champ select, queue, and being dead will also be discouraged eventually because they've stated they want you to set aside a chunk of time to do it. Moreover, multitasking will tend to make the more difficult judgements less accurate which isn't good at anybody.

It's nice that you have a job where you can do tribunal at work. It's also possible for some people to do it on the train. That might be a nice bonus for Riot, but that's hardly a reason to count on it like they are now.

Riot end goal is that we put *effort* into our tribunal judgements so that judgements are accurate and we provide meaningful information. They will see to it that we will have to expend this effort to get rewards from the system. But if it requires real effort and the reward is the same $0.02/hr as we get for playing the game I do not see how this system will work for most people.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
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