EPTafter a good amount of games ( just like normal game elo!) your true elo will be determined. it could be 50 games, it could be 500 depending on your luck.
ELO Hell: Definition and Discussion - Page 2
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
after a good amount of games ( just like normal game elo!) your true elo will be determined. it could be 50 games, it could be 500 depending on your luck. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On December 14 2010 10:33 Odds wrote: 4 games in a row now i have someone who does nothing but feed, shittalk, and afk, I was 1600 this morning and now 1540 after dominating my lane, dragon, and fights EVERY SINGLE GAME ELO hell fucking exists, and there *are* people who get extremely goddamn unlucky with team selection. Anyone who says otherwise is nothing but a fucking asshole/troll. Maybe don't troll teemo in 4 straight games? I dunno what you are expecting.... but yea. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On December 14 2010 11:02 ghen wrote: No. You had a bad streak of games. If you yourself are not a feeder/leaver *EVER* than the other team is statisticly more likely to have a feeder/leaver than your team. There are 9 other people in the game. If feeders/leavers are 10% of the population, your own team is 40% likely to have at least 1 feeder/leaver. The other team is 50% likely to have at least 1. Therefore if you are below your true Elo you will always rise. If you are above your true Elo you will fall (due to yourself being the feeder more often than carry) Blaming your drop from 1600->1540 on Elo hell is just not looking at the plain and simple facts. If you don't get back to 1600 after having a bad streak of games then maybe 1600 was the fluke instead of 1540? I know it will equalize eventually. The simple matter is that it takes forever to get up to your proper elo if you have bad luck in teams. I have awful luck in teams. I'll eventually get back to 1600, and probably 1650, and, as I get better and deserve to be a higher elo, higher than that. The journey is just extremely frustrating. Do I get a bit overly worked up when I vent? Possibly. However, telling me that I deserve to be at 1530 or that I simply need to carry harder is simply ludicrous when my team is always something stupid like 0-15 by 30 minutes in the game. I get really pissed at the implication that it's my fault I get shitty luck. Could I do better? Absolutely. Should I have to do better to win the games I'm losing at garbage elo? No. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On December 14 2010 12:17 BloodNinja wrote: Maybe don't troll teemo in 4 straight games? I dunno what you are expecting.... but yea. Maybe you haven't read the Teemo topic, but I'm not trolling. He gives your team great map control in addition to being a solid carry, anticarry, and pusher. The problem is, he requires that at least 2 people on your team don't have Down's and can actually utilize said map control. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On December 14 2010 12:34 Odds wrote: Maybe you haven't read the Teemo topic, but I'm not trolling. He gives your team great map control in addition to being a solid carry, anticarry, and pusher. The problem is, he requires that at least 2 people on your team don't have Down's and can actually utilize said map control. He is a niche pick and I HIGHLY doubt you needed that niche 4 straight games. Quit trolling ranked with your Teemo and you win more games. Or just quit shitting up this thread with needless rage posts. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Either you can carry four idiots versus five idiots or you belong in low Elo. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On December 14 2010 13:34 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Either you can carry four idiots versus five idiots or you belong in low Elo. I like this. Might be the best one line answer for the entire thread. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
Won a couple games today and I led my team to victory both times. We didn't have the best players (ie our Kogmaw ended game with 50 cs), but I made all the right decisions and snowballed from early dragons and hardcore pushing of the outer towers through map control with wards. My week off playing WoW is just what I needed to drop some rage I think ^_^ Getting worked up over solo Q is probably the absolute worst thing you can do if you're trying to get out of the "ELO Hell" | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On December 14 2010 13:20 BloodNinja wrote: He is a niche pick and I HIGHLY doubt you needed that niche 4 straight games. Quit trolling ranked with your Teemo and you win more games. Or just quit shitting up this thread with needless rage posts. Niche pick? You mean, for his blind to be useful, the enemy team requires an AD champion? In order for map control to be useful, Baron and Dragon need to spawn, and fights need to occur? Yeah, that never happens. Regardless, Teemo is hardly the only thing I play in ranked. It doesn't matter what I pick. My team feeds. You are clearly of the position that 'elo hell' does not exist in any form, whatsoever- and if you lose a game, it is your fault, period. Why, then, am I 'shitting up the thread with needless rage posts' simply by virtue of disagreeing with you? I'm also curious how you suggest improvement with a hero, without playing it. | ||
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G0dly
United States450 Posts
games are 80% luck whether you win or lose in solo q, you just have to play enough for that 20% to come into play I think you need at least 100+ ranked games played before your elo means anything relative to your actual skill level also, yes, 5hitcombo is right. imo a lot of people who claim to be in "elo hell" are just as bad as the players they rage about | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
like he went against zilean with the other TLer at bot lane and got bombed, and so he flashed onto shen (the other TLer) and kept hugging him whenever after he got bombed and then he started running into towers and feeding i actually used his body charge into gragas mid to kill gragas =3 but it was literally impossible to win that game lololol i'm not sure how relevant to the topic this is, it was just so hilarious lol | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On December 14 2010 14:54 G0dly wrote: I heard someone on a high elo stream explain it this way games are 80% luck whether you win or lose in solo q, you just have to play enough for that 20% to come into play I think you need at least 100+ ranked games played before your elo means anything relative to your actual skill level also, yes, 5hitcombo is right. imo a lot of people who claim to be in "elo hell" are just as bad as the players they rage about TreeEskimo said that, I was watching at the time. All I'm saying is that if you are unlucky, that 20% can actually translate to 0% for an extremely (frustrating) long period of time. | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On December 14 2010 15:24 aznhockeyboy16 wrote: If I play 6 games in a row, where my team has either 1 or 2 disconnects or ragequits, and therefore my elo drops to a level below my ability, and EVERY game is decided by a ragequit or a disconnect, then I believe that I am in ELO hell... That's only today. It's been a pretty consistent pattern over the last couple weeks. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
Law of statistics also say that with enough games, you will eventually be at your true elo. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Yeah, well, I've beaten everyone in the top 10. So what? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
End of story. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
Elo hell exists in the mind of an individual that thinks they are better than they actually are. They use this term to describe where they currently reside on the Elo scale. There is no getting better or getting worse for this person. There is only "lucking my way out of Elo hell to the Elo where I am supposed to be". Note that this person will then usually become "unlucky" and fall back into Elo hell almost immediately because of how they self define the phrase and their blind faith in a random number they think they should achieve. Damnit and Neo beat me to it by 3 minutes. | ||
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