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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 29 2011 14:26 GMT
#1241
No renekton nerfs, GG.
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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
March 29 2011 14:30 GMT
#1242
Do not think that Garen buff is needed, Think he is plenty strong early on in a lane(really depends on partner though). Late game he needs buffs, ends up really useless then.
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ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
March 29 2011 14:33 GMT
#1243
CAITLYNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN BUFFFFFFFFFFFF
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 15:51:09
March 29 2011 15:18 GMT
#1244
For this patch, I think I'm gonna be playing...

Top: Kennen Renekton
Mid: Cait MF
Bot: Garen Galio Soraka (need to try Karma again and learn Blitz)
Jungle: Noc Nunu
Roam: Alistar Maokai
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 29 2011 15:39 GMT
#1245
On March 29 2011 23:30 Vonthin wrote:
Do not think that Garen buff is needed, Think he is plenty strong early on in a lane(really depends on partner though). Late game he needs buffs, ends up really useless then.


Yup yup I totally agree. Technically his late game got a little bit of a buff too but we'll see if it was enough to make him not feel absolute garbage tier once the game hits 40 minutes.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 29 2011 16:45 GMT
#1246
On March 29 2011 23:01 57 Corvette wrote:
Hope to see more good news for Galio, and Shen.


i hope not
i rly want a pretty hefty shen nerf so he's not perma ban and i get a chance to play him again
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 29 2011 16:48 GMT
#1247
On March 30 2011 01:45 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:01 57 Corvette wrote:
Hope to see more good news for Galio, and Shen.


i hope not
i rly want a pretty hefty shen nerf so he's not perma ban and i get a chance to play him again


Doubtful. Out of all the globals, his is probably the most annoying. The potential to counter any gank. zzz
Riot would have to nerf the ulti shield into the ground for Shen not to be banned. Not to mention he's a manaless tank. Riot already took away his self shield for the ulti but Shen's been perma-ban status since weeks ago. huk
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 29 2011 16:59 GMT
#1248
yeah i know
and when they killed his self-shield they also halved the healing from vorpal and took a bunch of damage off of it. not to mention they killed feint before that too.
mb lee sin will be OP then perma bans will be zilean leesin nocturne and urgot
WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT BANNING URGOT JESUS HE'S SO OP
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Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
March 29 2011 17:26 GMT
#1249
On March 30 2011 01:59 gtrsrs wrote:
yeah i know
and when they killed his self-shield they also halved the healing from vorpal and took a bunch of damage off of it. not to mention they killed feint before that too.
mb lee sin will be OP then perma bans will be zilean leesin nocturne and urgot
WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT BANNING URGOT JESUS HE'S SO OP

I ban urgot every time i'm captain if we're not taking him.
MIK Terran
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 29 2011 17:32 GMT
#1250
On March 30 2011 01:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 01:45 gtrsrs wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:01 57 Corvette wrote:
Hope to see more good news for Galio, and Shen.


i hope not
i rly want a pretty hefty shen nerf so he's not perma ban and i get a chance to play him again


Doubtful. Out of all the globals, his is probably the most annoying. The potential to counter any gank. zzz
Riot would have to nerf the ulti shield into the ground for Shen not to be banned. Not to mention he's a manaless tank. Riot already took away his self shield for the ulti but Shen's been perma-ban status since weeks ago. huk

Imo shen is a ballanced but annoying ass champion. Look at his ban history in ranked. He ia only must ban so long as there are no gamebreaking champs. Strong, but not op.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 29 2011 17:50 GMT
#1251
On March 30 2011 02:32 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 01:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:45 gtrsrs wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:01 57 Corvette wrote:
Hope to see more good news for Galio, and Shen.


i hope not
i rly want a pretty hefty shen nerf so he's not perma ban and i get a chance to play him again


Doubtful. Out of all the globals, his is probably the most annoying. The potential to counter any gank. zzz
Riot would have to nerf the ulti shield into the ground for Shen not to be banned. Not to mention he's a manaless tank. Riot already took away his self shield for the ulti but Shen's been perma-ban status since weeks ago. huk

Imo shen is a ballanced but annoying ass champion. Look at his ban history in ranked. He ia only must ban so long as there are no gamebreaking champs. Strong, but not op.


Never mentioned anything about OP. I just said his ulti is the most annoying global. For me, I ban based on the potential of ruining team fights for my team. So that means I ban Shen/Zil almost always. Solo Q, you don't have the coordination to consistently counter such ultimates.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 21:49:02
March 29 2011 21:22 GMT
#1252
On March 30 2011 00:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
For this patch, I think I'm gonna be playing...

Top: Kennen Renekton
Mid: Cait MF
Bot: Garen Galio Soraka (need to try Karma again and learn Blitz)
Jungle: Noc Nunu
Roam: Alistar Maokai


Just tried Karma now and she's like weak. Terrible scaling with levels (even though she is positioned as a support which is ridiculous) and the fact that the %part on her heal is AP-dependent break her. But she's fun because she is really hard and somewhat frustrating to play at times. The saddest thing is that unlike say, Soraka or even to a lesser extent Janna, you need your lanemate to understand what her skills do. With W and E for laning, you can actually have a decent laning phase (E is a variation of Sion's shield with an extra spice and W is just plain hillarious), but if your lanemate is a ranged squishy or a melee who doesn't really understand how far can he go, it's very bad. Her worst problem for solo Q, really. If your lanemate is something like Alistar or say Irelia and they go into melee range for you to land your shield on them and then actually understand that W does damage when they go behind their target, it's a lot of damage with your ally taking close to none. If at least some of the above is not fulfilled, it's only a lot of frustration.

Compare that to Soraka who is just a bot who gives you health and mana at regular intervals and autoattacks at times. Karma's innate passive ability also makes little to no sense. I can understand why Tryndamere or Olaf or Mundo can get their DPS skyrocketing when they reach low HP, they all have skillsets to make use of that. Karma is a squishy support (really unsuited for damage, no matter how rich you are) that can't even build tank if she gets farmed because her whole support business relies on AP/CDR items is a strange pick for a "do more the lower your life is" kind of passive.

I can't even understand why Riot made her level scaling so bad. Her E at level 6 still does less damage/shield than Sion's shield at level 5 and it has worse AP rates to begin with. Same with all of her other skills. You can buff every skill of her by like 30% and she still won't be overpowered, just decent. But after playing her I'm convinced I want her buffed because she rewards quick thinking so much and is very hard to play, a champ you would enjoy mastering.


EDIT: Actually, the more I think of it, the more I come to the conclusion that Garen/Karma bot should be retardedly powerful provided the opponents are not dual stun lane or even better if stunless (something like Zilean babysitting someone). R-W him for the imba ms, he turns on Q, R-E him for AoE damage and shield, he E's and procs your W's damage with his insane movespeed. Somebody test this in duo queue.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 29 2011 21:27 GMT
#1253
your problem is that you're playing sidelane Karma. That's like playing Morgana in a sidelane. Farm dependent Support need solo top to be effective.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 29 2011 21:32 GMT
#1254
On March 30 2011 06:27 Mogwai wrote:
your problem is that you're playing sidelane Karma. That's like playing Morgana in a sidelane. Farm dependent Support need solo top to be effective.

And that's the problem on EU when you want to play someone like Karma or Lux. "OMG U SUPPORT GO BOTTOM LANE WITH AD CARRY AND GET 0 LASTHITS"
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 29 2011 21:35 GMT
#1255
farm dependent support pretty much require double support setups where you have a farm-dependent support on a solo, an AD carry on a solo, a farm independent support bot/roaming and a tank that deals primarily magic damage bot to make up for the lack of a true AP carry. At least IMO. I'm biased against splitting farm bot though.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 29 2011 21:47 GMT
#1256
I still don't think Karma is weak. However, I also think the karma change ended up nerfing her rather than buffing her, since her abusive early game is what I like most about her ( bot lane: mantra'd Q hitting 2 enemy champ and healing 2 friendly allies)
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
March 29 2011 21:51 GMT
#1257
On March 30 2011 06:47 Juicyfruit wrote:
I still don't think Karma is weak. However, I also think the karma change ended up nerfing her rather than buffing her, since her abusive early game is what I like most about her ( bot lane: mantra'd Q hitting 2 enemy champ and healing 2 friendly allies)


I think EW is much much superior in duo lane to Q. The heal from Q is super bad, it only gets good once you farm enough AP to increase it's % heal to something like 12-15% and heal wounded tanks for like 700 HP in a single cast.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
March 29 2011 21:52 GMT
#1258
On March 30 2011 06:32 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 06:27 Mogwai wrote:
your problem is that you're playing sidelane Karma. That's like playing Morgana in a sidelane. Farm dependent Support need solo top to be effective.

And that's the problem on EU when you want to play someone like Karma or Lux. "OMG U SUPPORT GO BOTTOM LANE WITH AD CARRY AND GET 0 LASTHITS"


So bot Lux not viable?
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 22:00:57
March 29 2011 21:59 GMT
#1259
Depends how you define "bad". At level 1 it heals 2 targets for at least 35HP each and hits 2 targets for 70 damage each. In other words a single karma Q with mantra creates a 200HP difference in lane. Three of those and you created a 600 damage disparity. The range on that cone is pretty good and it's wide. Overall: karma has a REALLY sexy level 1.

I keep leveling up Q and E. I think W is far too situational to be good. Maybe if it actually sped Karma up it would be worth using but it doesn't.

Level Q over E if you're up against ranged harasses. E over Q if you're against melee champs who are likely to rush you.

Q is a very very strong spell. It's a cone AoE on a 6 second cooldown. It's especially strong when your carries have a lot of base HP (read: strong when combined with the likes of vlad and olaf).
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 22:08:40
March 29 2011 22:06 GMT
#1260
On March 30 2011 06:52 BluzMan wrote:
So bot Lux not viable?

It's "viable" but you throw away the fact that she has one of the strongest level 6 bursts in the game (even stronger than Annie) when you don't have the level advantage to leverage that.

IIRC I've only seen Solomid/CLG/etc. run Lux bot when you have a roamer like Taric/Alistar that can let her take the farm/XP by herself--she can farm ok while they're away because she clears waves well (so bot tower won't get pushed down) and can last-hit things from super-long range with Q/E.
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