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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 26 2011 17:55 GMT
#2301
As a Trynd player, I'm interested in actually playing him now too. With Bloodlust giving AD and not Crit Damage now, and Trynd getting Crit Change based on Fury (rather than health), if my Crit Damage runes will be worth it now?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
July 26 2011 18:36 GMT
#2302
It'll be mathematically worth it, but tbh Tryndamere will be 100% dumped into the jungle, where his change will actually increase his performance (perpetual 35% crit chance and fury being easier to maintain than bloodlust stacks).

Since he's going to be jungling the whole time, you'll probably take attack speed runes...?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 26 2011 18:45 GMT
#2303
On July 27 2011 03:36 Juicyfruit wrote:
It'll be mathematically worth it, but tbh Tryndamere will be 100% dumped into the jungle, where his change will actually increase his performance (perpetual 35% crit chance and fury being easier to maintain than bloodlust stacks).

Since he's going to be jungling the whole time, you'll probably take attack speed runes...?

uhmm new trynd clears jungle slower than old trynd, just saying
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
July 26 2011 19:21 GMT
#2304
The spin nerf hurts his clearing speed, but I think he'll also be safer to jungle and his ganks will be more potent coming out of his jungle with full fury instead of nothing.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 19:27:48
July 26 2011 19:24 GMT
#2305
It's not just the spin nerfs, but the Bloodlust/Battle Fury changes. Old Tryndamere could potentially have +40 AD, +36% Crit Damage and +50% Crit at level 1. New Tryndamere caps at +20 AD and +35% Crit (no Crit Damage).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 19:42:37
July 26 2011 19:41 GMT
#2306
On July 27 2011 04:24 Seuss wrote:
It's not just the spin nerfs, but the Bloodlust/Battle Fury changes. Old Tryndamere could potentially have +40 AD, +36% Crit Damage and +50% Crit at level 1. New Tryndamere caps at +20 AD and +35% Crit (no Crit Damage).



The old bloodlust didn't give all that at level 1...at least, I don't think it did because that's the stuff he'd get with level 5 bloodlust no?
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 26 2011 19:44 GMT
#2307
He wouldn't have +50% crit unless he was seriously wounded, and he would need all his Bloodlust stacks for the AD and Crit Damage.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 19:48:48
July 26 2011 19:46 GMT
#2308
I think the old bloodlust was like

3AD per stack and then 1.5 / 2.25 / 3 / 3.75 / 4.5% crit damage per stack.

8x bloodlust would be giving 24AD and 12% crit damage, but since you'd be eating up bloodlust while jungling you don't get the max bonus until you're halfway done clearing the camp.



The current tryndamere keeps his 35% crit chance from camp to camp and while ganking or in a jungle fight. It's quite nice at least in my opinion, and this way you don't feel stupid for buying survivability items.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 26 2011 19:48 GMT
#2309
On July 27 2011 04:46 Juicyfruit wrote:
I think the old bloodlust was like

3AD per stack and then 1.5 / 2.25 / 3 / 3.75 / 4.5% crit damage per stack.

8x bloodlust would be giving 24AD and 12% crit damage, but since you'd be eating up bloodlust while jungling you don't get the max bonus until you're halfway done clearing the camp.

It was 5 per stack. But you are right about Crit Damage
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 26 2011 19:55 GMT
#2310
On July 27 2011 04:48 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 04:46 Juicyfruit wrote:
I think the old bloodlust was like

3AD per stack and then 1.5 / 2.25 / 3 / 3.75 / 4.5% crit damage per stack.

8x bloodlust would be giving 24AD and 12% crit damage, but since you'd be eating up bloodlust while jungling you don't get the max bonus until you're halfway done clearing the camp.

It was 5 per stack. But you are right about Crit Damage

The old Mobafire patch info says 3 per stack: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/ability/bloodlust-68
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 20:01:32
July 26 2011 19:57 GMT
#2311
5 AD per stack at all levels. 1.5 / 2.25 / 3 / 3.75 / 4.5% Crit Damage. It's still in the wiki history and the LoL main page if you need to check. So yes I goofed and it's only 12% Crit Damage at level 1, but 40 AD at level 1 is entirely accurate.

That Old Tryndamere had to have stacks/be wounded for any of this is fairly irrelevant since it's (almost) equally applicable to New Tryndamere's weaker bonuses. The bottom line remains that New Tryndamere's bonuses are weaker and his jungle is weaker as a result. Stonewall has an entire thread detailing his struggles getting New Tryndamere to work.

Edit: It's pretty sad that mobafire is living in a world before Lux, because that was the patch that upped it to 5 AD (it was previously 3).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 26 2011 20:00 GMT
#2312
On July 27 2011 04:55 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 04:48 Sentenal wrote:
On July 27 2011 04:46 Juicyfruit wrote:
I think the old bloodlust was like

3AD per stack and then 1.5 / 2.25 / 3 / 3.75 / 4.5% crit damage per stack.

8x bloodlust would be giving 24AD and 12% crit damage, but since you'd be eating up bloodlust while jungling you don't get the max bonus until you're halfway done clearing the camp.

It was 5 per stack. But you are right about Crit Damage

The old Mobafire patch info says 3 per stack: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/ability/bloodlust-68

The last Bloodlust change prior to this one, at least from what I've found, had:
v1.0.0.103:

* Bloodlust Bloodlust:
o Cooldown reduced to 12/11/10/9/8 from 14/13/12/11/10.
o Damage per stack increased to 5 from 3.

IDK if they changed it afterwards.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 26 2011 20:02 GMT
#2313
Ok, after playing a game with Tryndamere on US, I conclude that he deals 0 dmg. Gbye trynd.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 20:04:44
July 26 2011 20:03 GMT
#2314
JUST IN, new trynd has infinite sustain in lane. If you activate Q without rage, it'll give you hp equal to the amount of AP you have. Not to mention, E also works with AP. does this mean hybrid trynd? Will try.

with just hextech gunblade, you can clear a wave in one E. Crit comes from rage now, so automatic 35 percent.
JF dodger since 2009
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 20:21:30
July 26 2011 20:05 GMT
#2315
On July 27 2011 05:02 Shikyo wrote:
Ok, after playing a game with Tryndamere on US, I conclude that he deals 0 dmg. Gbye trynd.



Tanky DPS yo, Tanky DPS D:

If you do the old I.edge / PD or ghostblade build with the new Trynd you'll probably crash and burn pretty hard though since the old trynd is obviously a stronger champ with those.



To clarify my point:

If you compare the old trynd and new trynd, the old one is MUCH stronger when he's down to under 50% HP, but the new trynd is stronger until then.

Old trynd at 100% had a potential bonus of 10% crit chance and 40AD + 36% crit damage bonus; however, the crit damage is fairly gimped here since he doesn't have jack for crit % (not taking account of items yet)

New trynd at 100% has a potential for 35% crit chance and 24AD right off the bat so he can build much tankier and still be an effective DPS.

If you built the old tryndamere tanky, he's pretty easy to ignore. Not quite for the new one.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 26 2011 20:16 GMT
#2316
Is it just me or is Riot trying to turn every melee dps champ into tanky dps -.-

Tryn now has retarded sustain in lane with AP runepage, but does no damage (at least comparatively to old tryn) and will probably be better off built tanky-ish -.-;
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
July 26 2011 20:21 GMT
#2317
Perhaps rageblade Trynd? o.O
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 20:29:51
July 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#2318
On July 27 2011 05:21 Haemonculus wrote:
Perhaps rageblade Trynd? o.O

Rageblade, Deathcap/Gunblade, Pdancer imo. Farm so fast, heal so much.

Edit: wait does heal still scale w/ AP? I don't see the AP ratio on the wiki
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 20:31:23
July 26 2011 20:27 GMT
#2319
If AP Trynd becomes the new norm, I'm done with him.

Does anyone know if level 3 R gives Trynd full Rage? It used to give him full Bloodlust, but IDK if they changed that.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 26 2011 20:34 GMT
#2320
On July 27 2011 05:26 ArC_man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 05:21 Haemonculus wrote:
Perhaps rageblade Trynd? o.O

Rageblade, Deathcap/Gunblade, Pdancer imo. Farm so fast, heal so much.

Edit: wait does heal still scale w/ AP? I don't see the AP ratio on the wiki


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