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She's not fotm because she takes some finess to win a lane with. If you think of FOTM champs, they all are guranteed to win a lane with pretty much no skill involved.
Think of Pantheon, Malphite, Gragas, Alistar, Akali, Jarvan etcetc
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Speaking of Orianna, lane switches have been owning my Jax pretty hard. I don't think the teams at my elo realize it yet, but when they switch in a fresh ranged AP that I haven't been taking a dump on for 5 levels it gives me a lot of trouble 
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On June 25 2011 18:36 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 18:18 Seiuchi wrote:On June 25 2011 14:51 HyperionDreamer wrote:On June 25 2011 11:08 MoonBear wrote:Will be going on holiday for a while soon. So big mega-post of stuff from me. Can not guarantee accuracy of everything here. Some is hearsay, some is educated guessing. Enjoy~ How Replay/Obs Tech works+ Show Spoiler +I've already explained how currently the tech works for the game about servers only giving you restricted information. Will not explain again.
For Obs Mode, there is a 'Master' and a 'Slave' Server. Slave server handles all process you currently use such as giving restricted information to each team. So this is what will make the game run. The Master server collects all information for presenting it to the Observers. Delay is then generated to prevent people from cheating this way. Because the processes are separate, theoretically you still shouldn't be able to hack your game. The data collected can then be used to make a replay.
Replays will probably be available for download for a limited time before being removed (a few hrs? A day? Idk). With several million games of LoL played a day, it'd be too impractical to store them all. Even if replays were only 1MB each, that's still several terrabytes of data created a day.
I think base code for Replays/Obs is already in client which allows them to test the communication paths and optimise based on the data from everything on Live. - Ward jumping coming back
- Kayle new passive: MPen/APen that stacks upon each hit Rageblade style. Using W or R on ally will give them benefit from passive for short duration.
- Trynd Change: Resource bar to keep track of Bloodlust. Higher base values on early skill lvls, lower values on late skill lvls.
- Soraka Changes: No more/much lower AP scaling on heals. Longer CD and mana cost as well. Needs to feel more clutch. Might have higher base values. More reliable CC, no more infinite mana.
- Nidalee Changes: See above. Her heal is one of the biggest problems. Buff to Cougar Form to compensate though.
- Koggy Buff: Needs more power for super squishy AD with no escape.
- Shen: No idea, but is being looked at.
- Katarina: Less snowbally, more consistency. Don't know what though. But in consideration.
- Swain Ult going to have more oomph because of the changes to the heal mechanics based actual damage dealt instead of pre-mitigation damage. I think current idea is to increase base and/or scaling.
- Option to choose between Chinese or NA Art
- Season 2 maybe Aug/Sep/Oct-ish. If I'm right, I'll sound like a genius. If I'm wrong, I'll pretend I never wrote this.
- Matt Marcou still E-Sports Manager.
- Replay/Obs to come out a bit before/same time as Season 2. Biggest hurdle is upgrading and getting more servers to handle the increased stress, esp on EU.
- New servers in East Europe. Plans for Middle East expansion and Asia including servers.
- Above two points most likely to delay Season 2.
Not in any particular order. - Kennen: Walking ball of stuns and can potentially double stun most of a team in a big fight.
- CassiOPeia: Highest single target DPS. Needs a team that can help cut individual targets off the other team though (Ashe, Anivia, Blitz?)
- Blitzcrank: Tanky DPS with 3 forms of CC and a shield. Not quite Jarman, but Blitz is scarier in tower sieges cause of hook.
- Fiddle: 2 forms of CC and damage to back it up. Too reliant on blue to jungle though.
- Trundle: I think we can agree on this.
- Poppy: Should be able to wreck a dual AP comp. Things like Anivia should just instant explode.
- Brand: So much dps. Can spam spells a lot too.
- Oriana: AP Nuker with lots of utility in all her spells and her ult can really mess up the other team's positioning.
Best and most awesome post today! ^_^ I totally agree with Orianna - I watched hotshot play her on stream today, against Chauster in mid nonetheless, and he carried so hard it was ridiculous. Her passive lets her last hit like mad in lane, and her ultimate's throw+cc is good for initiation under towers etc etc.... She's also a good anti-ranged DPS, because of her harass game. Orianna's real strong, even though I've been terrored a lot lately the fact I have like 8 straight wins with her is the only thing keeping me afloat in ranked. I'm disappointed they didn't allow her at Dreamhack because Shushei stated he had her prepared and CLG would have used her for sure. I can't decide if she's OP or not, but if she isn't the only possible reason is because her mana costs. Her skills are so strong. tbh she's THE champ I keep kicking Annie/Malz/TF/Vlad out of lane on a consistent basis.. Maybe I suck with other APs, but I can't get that done with anyone else.
Btw Orianna also has like 1500 range on all her abilities, but about this...
Vlad you can kick off lane with just about everything, he's extremely weak. Rumble can kick everyone off lane by the way, but I really don't think TF, Malz or Annie lose to Orianna, they probably didn't play properly
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Annie crushes Orriana. Just no way to beat her because once she hits level 6 you are gonna get killed and from there it snowballs. I don't think any squishy AP can defeat Annie.
The range doesn't matter because with flash Annie outranges her.
Malz is kind of the same story, it's his flash pool + ulti combo that you just can't play against. You can't constantly keep in mind that they are gonna flash and ulti you because if you play like that you will have to deny yourself a ton of exp and gold.
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On June 25 2011 16:56 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 16:50 JackDino wrote:On June 25 2011 16:34 randomKo_Orean wrote:On June 25 2011 15:58 Hynda wrote:
This is warning,very importantt. Don't play Pokémon Mastr Trainer with Stefan!! He is such a cheating bastar, really he had me looking fro blue Haunters for like an hour wehn he is green. What knid of friend does that? I know nobody here would do that, much better friends here.
PSSSSS: His BEedrill sucks!Q!! My brain just exploded. Lonely person pretending to be drunk because he has trouble making friends. He even wrote the accent in Pokémon.
I don't do drunk very well, don't think I've been really drunk for at least 7-8 years now, however I had been up for 36 hours had a couple of drinks so that had light buzz and wrote from an android not using a keyboard.
And I was genuinly mad because he cheated, it was such a low blow. Why I would feel like sharing that with TL? I dunno, seemed like a good thing at the time. It was midsommer and if this is the dumbest thing I managed to do then so be it, it's midsummer you're supposed to be retarded.
+ Show Spoiler +
JackDino: Let us be friends for a glorious tomorrow.
PS: I do love the notion that anyone would think that someone "acting drunk" would ever use a reference to a Pokémon board game from the late 90's. Who on earth would be my target audience?
But enough about that, back to see League of Legending.
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On June 25 2011 21:44 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 18:36 r.Evo wrote:On June 25 2011 18:18 Seiuchi wrote:On June 25 2011 14:51 HyperionDreamer wrote:On June 25 2011 11:08 MoonBear wrote:Will be going on holiday for a while soon. So big mega-post of stuff from me. Can not guarantee accuracy of everything here. Some is hearsay, some is educated guessing. Enjoy~ How Replay/Obs Tech works+ Show Spoiler +I've already explained how currently the tech works for the game about servers only giving you restricted information. Will not explain again.
For Obs Mode, there is a 'Master' and a 'Slave' Server. Slave server handles all process you currently use such as giving restricted information to each team. So this is what will make the game run. The Master server collects all information for presenting it to the Observers. Delay is then generated to prevent people from cheating this way. Because the processes are separate, theoretically you still shouldn't be able to hack your game. The data collected can then be used to make a replay.
Replays will probably be available for download for a limited time before being removed (a few hrs? A day? Idk). With several million games of LoL played a day, it'd be too impractical to store them all. Even if replays were only 1MB each, that's still several terrabytes of data created a day.
I think base code for Replays/Obs is already in client which allows them to test the communication paths and optimise based on the data from everything on Live. - Ward jumping coming back
- Kayle new passive: MPen/APen that stacks upon each hit Rageblade style. Using W or R on ally will give them benefit from passive for short duration.
- Trynd Change: Resource bar to keep track of Bloodlust. Higher base values on early skill lvls, lower values on late skill lvls.
- Soraka Changes: No more/much lower AP scaling on heals. Longer CD and mana cost as well. Needs to feel more clutch. Might have higher base values. More reliable CC, no more infinite mana.
- Nidalee Changes: See above. Her heal is one of the biggest problems. Buff to Cougar Form to compensate though.
- Koggy Buff: Needs more power for super squishy AD with no escape.
- Shen: No idea, but is being looked at.
- Katarina: Less snowbally, more consistency. Don't know what though. But in consideration.
- Swain Ult going to have more oomph because of the changes to the heal mechanics based actual damage dealt instead of pre-mitigation damage. I think current idea is to increase base and/or scaling.
- Option to choose between Chinese or NA Art
- Season 2 maybe Aug/Sep/Oct-ish. If I'm right, I'll sound like a genius. If I'm wrong, I'll pretend I never wrote this.
- Matt Marcou still E-Sports Manager.
- Replay/Obs to come out a bit before/same time as Season 2. Biggest hurdle is upgrading and getting more servers to handle the increased stress, esp on EU.
- New servers in East Europe. Plans for Middle East expansion and Asia including servers.
- Above two points most likely to delay Season 2.
Not in any particular order. - Kennen: Walking ball of stuns and can potentially double stun most of a team in a big fight.
- CassiOPeia: Highest single target DPS. Needs a team that can help cut individual targets off the other team though (Ashe, Anivia, Blitz?)
- Blitzcrank: Tanky DPS with 3 forms of CC and a shield. Not quite Jarman, but Blitz is scarier in tower sieges cause of hook.
- Fiddle: 2 forms of CC and damage to back it up. Too reliant on blue to jungle though.
- Trundle: I think we can agree on this.
- Poppy: Should be able to wreck a dual AP comp. Things like Anivia should just instant explode.
- Brand: So much dps. Can spam spells a lot too.
- Oriana: AP Nuker with lots of utility in all her spells and her ult can really mess up the other team's positioning.
Best and most awesome post today! ^_^ I totally agree with Orianna - I watched hotshot play her on stream today, against Chauster in mid nonetheless, and he carried so hard it was ridiculous. Her passive lets her last hit like mad in lane, and her ultimate's throw+cc is good for initiation under towers etc etc.... She's also a good anti-ranged DPS, because of her harass game. Orianna's real strong, even though I've been terrored a lot lately the fact I have like 8 straight wins with her is the only thing keeping me afloat in ranked. I'm disappointed they didn't allow her at Dreamhack because Shushei stated he had her prepared and CLG would have used her for sure. I can't decide if she's OP or not, but if she isn't the only possible reason is because her mana costs. Her skills are so strong. tbh she's THE champ I keep kicking Annie/Malz/TF/Vlad out of lane on a consistent basis.. Maybe I suck with other APs, but I can't get that done with anyone else. Btw Orianna also has like 1500 range on all her abilities, but about this... Vlad you can kick off lane with just about everything, he's extremely weak. Rumble can kick everyone off lane by the way, but I really don't think TF, Malz or Annie lose to Orianna, they probably didn't play properly
Hai, lanewick beats rumble from what I've seen and anyone with long range should be fine.
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On June 25 2011 18:42 HazMat wrote:
She's not fotm because she takes some finess to win a lane with. If you think of FOTM champs, they all are guranteed to win a lane with pretty much no skill involved.
Think of Pantheon, Malphite, Gragas, Alistar, Akali, Jarvan etcetc
Believe me i sucked realllly hard with gragas when he was FOTM, both his Q and R require you not to be blind while using it and i always slammed right before my opponent without hitting him. It REALLY was possible to miss 3 of his 4 skills. I saw maaany people hitting Qs at wrong distance with alistar too and failing miserably at my Elo.
Is Akali FOTM now? Because i don't have internet connection now and i don't remember her being FOTM at all before  (keep in mind that my view of FOTM champs may be different because i only know/knew what's played often on either my Elo or Elo of the few streamers i watched)
Though i agree 100% with panth, malph and jarvan, it was impossible to fail with them wrong when they were FOTM (actually jarman kinda still is  )
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On June 25 2011 21:55 zalz wrote:
Annie crushes Orriana. Just no way to beat her because once she hits level 6 you are gonna get killed and from there it snowballs. I don't think any squishy AP can defeat Annie.
The range doesn't matter because with flash Annie outranges her.
Malz is kind of the same story, it's his flash pool + ulti combo that you just can't play against. You can't constantly keep in mind that they are gonna flash and ulti you because if you play like that you will have to deny yourself a ton of exp and gold.
You beat the crap out of them pre6 with qw and force flash.
Annie is much more dangerous post6 than malz unless jungle is involved imho, vs annie a quick cata/roa and pots to not fall into LOL I COMBO'D U-zone is key.
That's how it usually goes for me. =P
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On June 25 2011 22:39 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 16:56 HazMat wrote:On June 25 2011 16:50 JackDino wrote:On June 25 2011 16:34 randomKo_Orean wrote:On June 25 2011 15:58 Hynda wrote:
This is warning,very importantt. Don't play Pokémon Mastr Trainer with Stefan!! He is such a cheating bastar, really he had me looking fro blue Haunters for like an hour wehn he is green. What knid of friend does that? I know nobody here would do that, much better friends here.
PSSSSS: His BEedrill sucks!Q!! My brain just exploded. Lonely person pretending to be drunk because he has trouble making friends. He even wrote the accent in Pokémon. I don't do drunk very well, don't think I've been really drunk for at least 7-8 years now, however I had been up for 36 hours had a couple of drinks so that had light buzz and wrote from an android not using a keyboard. And I was genuinly mad because he cheated, it was such a low blow. Why I would feel like sharing that with TL? I dunno, seemed like a good thing at the time. It was midsommer and if this is the dumbest thing I managed to do then so be it, it's midsummer you're supposed to be retarded. + Show Spoiler +JackDino: Let us be friends for a glorious tomorrow. PS: I do love the notion that anyone would think that someone "acting drunk" would ever use a reference to a Pokémon board game from the late 90's. Who on earth would be my target audience? But enough about that, back to see League of Legending.
Wait... Hold up... There was a Pokemon board game?
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On June 26 2011 00:09 LoCicero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 22:39 Hynda wrote:On June 25 2011 16:56 HazMat wrote:On June 25 2011 16:50 JackDino wrote:On June 25 2011 16:34 randomKo_Orean wrote:On June 25 2011 15:58 Hynda wrote:
This is warning,very importantt. Don't play Pokémon Mastr Trainer with Stefan!! He is such a cheating bastar, really he had me looking fro blue Haunters for like an hour wehn he is green. What knid of friend does that? I know nobody here would do that, much better friends here.
PSSSSS: His BEedrill sucks!Q!! My brain just exploded. Lonely person pretending to be drunk because he has trouble making friends. He even wrote the accent in Pokémon. I don't do drunk very well, don't think I've been really drunk for at least 7-8 years now, however I had been up for 36 hours had a couple of drinks so that had light buzz and wrote from an android not using a keyboard. And I was genuinly mad because he cheated, it was such a low blow. Why I would feel like sharing that with TL? I dunno, seemed like a good thing at the time. It was midsommer and if this is the dumbest thing I managed to do then so be it, it's midsummer you're supposed to be retarded. + Show Spoiler +JackDino: Let us be friends for a glorious tomorrow. PS: I do love the notion that anyone would think that someone "acting drunk" would ever use a reference to a Pokémon board game from the late 90's. Who on earth would be my target audience? But enough about that, back to see League of Legending. Wait... Hold up... There was a Pokemon board game? It was gloriously horribad. It only has luck elements to it and there is like 40 of them, all decided by die rolls. Not only that it's completly random which pokémon you are going to run into next and there are all 150 of them, and you NEED to get a 3 step evolution to win. So out of 150 you need to find 3 very specific pokémons, hope that nobody else gets one of those or you will have to start over again aswell as role the die and pray to god that you catch the damn thing. And when you've done all that hard work som wanker has the "Switch" event card which allows him to trade his mankey for your wartortle turning your fancy blastoise down to a god damn squirtle again. It's probably the most frustrating game ever made, and it has become a tradition by now.
You don't know what rage is untill you've played this game.
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Morg new op: Mpen reds, mp5/lvl yellows, ap/lvl blues, ap quints, standard 9-0-21
Open ring, q-w-w-e, w>q>e
Build cata+boots1>cap>bv>hourglass/void/rylais
You can farm so fast with w that you start to hit your power items WAY sooner than anyone else, creating a huge window where you hit like a truck and basically force the other team to focus you or die.
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How is it that AP alistar is still annoying as fuck? Jesus. Harass him all day get him low, he just hangs back and regains it all back. And is still some how able to get cs. Then he just stacks dorans rings - hits like a truck, heals, is tanky and has insane cc. Sure his AP base values were 'nerfed', to me he still seems the same.
Plus I am frustrated by trolls every where and I am dead tired. :O
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On June 26 2011 00:23 Two_DoWn wrote:
Morg new op: Mpen reds, mp5/lvl yellows, ap/lvl blues, ap quints, standard 9-0-21
Open ring, q-w-w-e, w>q>e
Build cata+boots1>cap>bv>hourglass/void/rylais
You can farm so fast with w that you start to hit your power items WAY sooner than anyone else, creating a huge window where you hit like a truck and basically force the other team to focus you or die.
This "you can farm s0 fest br0" stuff is really annoying, there always is a limited amount of minions. A good lasthitter will have just as much farm as you with your W spam. In fact, being forced to push the lane to farm makes you incredibly vulnerable for ganks. That's just a ridiculous claim that you'll have your power items way earlier than anyone.
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Yeah, really. There is some merit to being able to clear waves fast but you don't just magically get way more gold, you're just stealing other peoples cs/just getting more cs than you normally do because its easier than last hitting.
I really think morgana is bad because most of her damage relies on hitting a singe target skill shot and her ultimate makes her really vulnerable with the popularity of tanky dps and burst ap casters right now.
You carry and have 10 kills from catching people over the map but in big teamfights you really don't do all that much damage and are easy to focus. Somebody like mordekaiser farms faster and is scarier when farmed.
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Only you win your lane because the other dude has to stay in the minions, and you can just drop a w to do a lot of damage, or they risk getting slammed in the face by a q. There might be a limited number of minions, but even pros cannot get every single one, especially when playing against someone like morg who can control a lane really well.
Besides, if what you are saying is true, how come at Dreamhack there were always differences in the number of minions slain? Ease of farm=faster farm, even at top levels. And faster farm=faster items.
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Sure, you get more minions, but you don't get THAT many more minions, and more importantly there are champions like corki/karma/mordekaiser etc that can farm just as well if not better (and also tend to rape their lanes) and have a more straight forward way of converting ad/ap to damage.
And you don't need to stay in the minions versus morgana. Her projectile is really slow and easy to dodge. Brands W is much harder to dodge and you need to do it consistently to have a chance vs him in lane.
edit: also CHOGATH much scarier better farming more sustainable better harass can kill a lot of lanes better teamfighting better everything o.o.
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On June 26 2011 00:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
Only you win your lane because the other dude has to stay in the minions, and you can just drop a w to do a lot of damage, or they risk getting slammed in the face by a q. There might be a limited number of minions, but even pros cannot get every single one, especially when playing against someone like morg who can control a lane really well.
Besides, if what you are saying is true, how come at Dreamhack there were always differences in the number of minions slain? Ease of farm=faster farm, even at top levels. And faster farm=faster items.
Um, at Dreamhack those differences were mostly because of skill, actually.
You're way overestimating Morgana, she can't even farm with W until like lvl 5-7 and by lvl 7-9 the other person probably can clear waves just fine. Also I don't get how some people even get hit by Q.
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On June 25 2011 21:55 zalz wrote:
Annie crushes Orriana. Just no way to beat her because once she hits level 6 you are gonna get killed and from there it snowballs. I don't think any squishy AP can defeat Annie.
The range doesn't matter because with flash Annie outranges her.
I laned Annie vs Orianna recently and that Orianna was tanky enough to survive RQWQ+Ignite with her shield. And because her harrass is much stronger than Annie's she won the lane.
You just need the proper setup against Annie.
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Morgana farms really well, but she also pushes. And she's not the best at killing her lane opponent. So you end up with both of you just farming up a storm for hours.
I still love morgana, but she's just not that strong overall. Still love teleporting into teamfights and ulting though, much fun.
Also if you tap 's' really quickly while chasing after someone, you can often trick them into thinking you just fired Q. When running from a morg people like to dodge this way and that whenever they see the slightest change in your movement, (as she usually stops for a split second to fire Q). Tap s and you can sometimes get them to juke in a dumb direction and then quickly land your snare.
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On June 26 2011 01:05 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 21:55 zalz wrote:
Annie crushes Orriana. Just no way to beat her because once she hits level 6 you are gonna get killed and from there it snowballs. I don't think any squishy AP can defeat Annie.
The range doesn't matter because with flash Annie outranges her. I laned Annie vs Orianna recently and that Orianna was tanky enough to survive RQWQ+Ignite with her shield. And because her harrass is much stronger than Annie's she won the lane. You just need the proper setup against Annie.
Range absolutely matters. Annie isn't about 1 comboing someone to zero in lane. If you get a couple spells to harass the other guy then suddenly your level 6 is deadly, if you don't have the range to harass you probably won't get a kill. Annie isn't malzahar. (prenerf i guess)
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