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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
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MobutuTheWindSeeker
United States50 Posts
On June 20 2011 03:07 HyperionDreamer wrote: OK thanks. Irelia as a tank? I've only ever seen her played as an assassin - do you mean building her as a main tank or just tanky dps? when people say "tank" what they actually mean is someone that somehow takes damage instead of the carries, and cc's people that are trying to get past him. this can be done with rammus by taunting somebody or by dyrus playing singed by running into their team with his ult on, flinging/slowing people and generally being extremely provocative. The idea of a hard tank is kind of outdated because many characters can be extremely durable and provocative while also doing a good amount of damage, hence tanky dps. This is how i interpret it at least, but it's pretty subjective--very few things about this game's strategy are absolute. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 20 2011 03:14 HyperionDreamer wrote: I'm sorry I have so many questions, but most of the stuff you guys say is almost exactly what I've been told is wrong by friends/people I play with. You only get one damage item on Irelia? I've only played her a few times, and I find that her damage output isn't high enough with only Triforce to take down enemy carries if you are being cc'd. I'm probably just bad, and not staying alive long enough. Irelia is not a sustained damage champion. Her speciality is burst damage. If you do the math, her damage output is comparable to burst casters such as Annie. Sheen into Triforce amplifies that damage. She gets in, fires everything on one person, kills them and then gets out. 6 seconds later when he cooldowns finish she does it again. Most likely you aren't playing her right. How do you normally play her? Also, Irelia is great at farming so you should be getting your items very fast before the other team gets any defence so you can constantly burst them down. Is your cs good? It might be that your farm isn't very good so by the time you have your Triforce the other team already has a lot of defence as defence is easier to buy compared to damage in this game. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On June 20 2011 03:18 MoonBear wrote: Irelia is not a sustained damage champion. Her speciality is burst damage. If you do the math, her damage output is comparable to burst casters such as Annie. Sheen into Triforce amplifies that damage. She gets in, fires everything on one person, kills them and then gets out. 6 seconds later when he cooldowns finish she does it again. Most likely you aren't playing her right. How do you normally play her? Also, Irelia is great at farming so you should be getting your items very fast before the other team gets any defence so you can constantly burst them down. Is your cs good? It might be that your farm isn't very good so by the time you have your Triforce the other team already has a lot of defence as defence is easier to buy compared to damage in this game. I don't play Irelia very much, I like to play junglers most of time since I like controlling the flow of the game with my ganks/map movement... However, I only really play Irelia when I'm confident that I have a good jungler, since she can't get enough cs in a dual lane to get items fast enough, and she's really item dependent. I go Dorans Shield first for survivability (many people have told me this is bad since it's a waste of gold and doesn't go towards any of my items, but I find that I lose HP too fast without it, and that puts my cs in jeopardy.) After that, I get Phage -> level 1 boots -> Sheen -> finish Triforce. Generally after that I get a Phantom Dancer, then a few survivability items depending on the enemy team... Most of this is based on watching videos of hotshotGG playing irelia, but he goes mid with her to secure lots of cs, which I don't think I could do with my current level of play. Edit: I had no idea her burst was comparable to Annie. That's crazy. | ||
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MobutuTheWindSeeker
United States50 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 20 2011 03:24 HyperionDreamer wrote: I don't play Irelia very much, I like to play junglers most of time since I like controlling the flow of the game with my ganks/map movement... However, I only really play Irelia when I'm confident that I have a good jungler, since she can't get enough cs in a dual lane to get items fast enough, and she's really item dependent. I go Dorans Shield first for survivability (many people have told me this is bad since it's a waste of gold and doesn't go towards any of my items, but I find that I lose HP too fast without it, and that puts my cs in jeopardy.) After that, I get Phage -> level 1 boots -> Sheen -> finish Triforce. Generally after that I get a Phantom Dancer, then a few survivability items depending on the enemy team... Most of this is based on watching videos of hotshotGG playing irelia, but he goes mid with her to secure lots of cs, which I don't think I could do with my current level of play. Edit: I had no idea her burst was comparable to Annie. That's crazy. Irelia should easily be able to 1v2 by last hitting under turret. Her W also gives her sustain in lane. Generally Irelia goes solo top for the farm she needs. Doran Shield opening is fine, athough Regrowth Pendant + HPot then making a Philo Stone later is also popular. Sheen before Phage is better since Sheen amplified your burst much more. You don't need Phantom Dancers. Irelia already has high base Movement Speed and the stats like Atack Speed and Crit Chance don't help you much. You want to burst someone, not right click on them for sustained damage. I recommend you read Chaox's Irelia guide. While I use a slightly different Rune+Masteries and disagree with his final item build, it's a good starting point. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Dorans-> phage is fine, I prefer sheen since the faster you get it the faster you can start to do sick burst. But honestly, you have no need of a PD. You dont need crit, and you dont need aspeed. Just go triforce-> banshees&Fon and other tank items like that. Irelia does an obscene amount of damage because she just cant die. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On June 20 2011 03:31 MoonBear wrote: Irelia should easily be able to 1v2 by last hitting under turret. Her W also gives her sustain in lane. Generally Irelia goes solo top for the farm she needs. Doran Shield opening is fine, athough Regrowth Pendant + HPot then making a Philo Stone later is also popular. Sheen before Phage is better since Sheen amplified your burst much more. You don't need Phantom Dancers. Irelia already has high base Movement Speed and the stats like Atack Speed and Crit Chance don't help you much. You want to burst someone, not right click on them for sustained damage. I recommend you read Chaox's Irelia guide. While I use a slightly different Rune+Masteries and disagree with his final item build, it's a good starting point. All right, I will read that while I'm watching the current DH matches, and practice that kind of style later on today. Thanks. What runes/masteries do you run? Would there be any benefit to running mp5 glyphs and seals to assist your last hitting ability in early lane? It sounds like the people you play with are complete shit. Stop listening to them. Dorans-> phage is fine, I prefer sheen since the faster you get it the faster you can start to do sick burst. But honestly, you have no need of a PD. You dont need crit, and you dont need aspeed. Just go triforce-> banshees&Fon and other tank items like that. Irelia does an obscene amount of damage because she just cant die. The only reason I take their advice is that they have 1000+ games played, so I figure experience must count for something. However, their mechanics are pretty bad since they don't have the background in bw and sc2 that I have. Thanks for the advice. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
I'm off to work (unfortunately on a Sunday t.t), enjoy the DH matches if you are watching them. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 20 2011 03:38 HyperionDreamer wrote: All right, I will read that while I'm watching the current DH matches, and practice that kind of style later on today. Thanks. What runes/masteries do you run? Would there be any benefit to running mp5 glyphs and seals to assist your last hitting ability in early lane? Mp5 Seals and Glyphs are generally not worth it. A Philo Stone should give you the mana regen you need unless you're really spamming Q a lot to farm. In that case you should practise last hitting. Irelia shouldn't need to rely on Q to last hit (although it does sometimes help when there's that one minion just out of reach and the tower is about to kill it). I run 1/8/21. It's similar to Chaox, but I put one point on Crit Chance because random crits are fun, 8 in the armour+mres and then Strength of Spirit for laning power, and with the 21 in utility I feel that 3 in Good Hands is better than Perseverance. Shaving 5 sec off your death respawn is much better than increasing your hp and mana regen by a tiny amount. The 4% increase is applied to the the actual mp5 and hp regen which means that even if you had 100 hp regen every second you'd only get 4 more. That's almost nothing since you'll never have that much regen anyway. Runes I prefer APen Quints. This is just personal preference though. To be honest though, Runes+Masteries don't matter a huge amount at 1200 Elo and below. What's more important is your technique and skill. You could probably run anything and so long as you had good skill you could faceroll people. Irelia can afford to be really aggressive and generally get away with it due to flaws in her design. Take advantage of it but learn your limits. On June 20 2011 03:38 HyperionDreamer wrote: The only reason I take their advice is that they have 1000+ games played, so I figure experience must count for something. However, their mechanics are pretty bad since they don't have the background in bw and sc2 that I have. Thanks for the advice. You can still be bad after 1000+ games. All that tells someone is that you have a lot of free time, haha. | ||
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Ritz
Netherlands66 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
But yeah, they've been on busy for some time today. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
I LOVE reading&watching TheOddOne's guides, i guess that it's because i usually play junglers. Or i just like the "so" word  But seriously, he's done guides for SO MANY junglers. And he made me play Olaf again! | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:40 Kaniol wrote: Kinda changing the subject: I LOVE reading&watching TheOddOne's guides, i guess that it's because i usually play junglers. Or i just like the "so" word But seriously, he's done guides for SO MANY junglers. And he made me play Olaf again! Do you also like the word "basically"? | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Need a junglekaiser mini-guide plz | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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