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On May 16 2011 22:32 Tooplark wrote:
Amumu doesn't need flash to initiate, Amumu does much more damage to tanky champs, Amumu can jungle (very well), Amumu ganks much better.
Galio can invincify an ally, Galio farms/clears waves better (Amumu can push pretty fast but not as fast), Galio can defend towers much better, Galio is arguably a better solo.
So basically Amumu is better on the offensive and Galio is better on the Defensive (compared to eachother). Good to know when planning team comps.
I will continue to play both though.
Oh, and Saturday I blindly stole dragon buff with Galio's Q during a game. I started laughing so hard IRL. Too bad it didn't help us, one of my teammates fed like mad.
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Galio is all around better than amumu except in ease of use.
His wind is about as effective as bandage toss at initiating and can be used to run away and continue chasing.
Amumu's despair does a ton more damage to tanks but overall can't provide much past his initial bandage toss ult
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On May 16 2011 22:16 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 21:55 57 Corvette wrote:
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Really? I didn't think Kayle would be a dps. Hmm, should look up a guide for her and try it out. I wouldn't recommend it. Not only she's kind of UP now but also Shurelia is working on her remake. I don't know what else can you screw with Kayle but believe me, Shurelia will make her worse 
Well, keep in mind that Kayle being UP is a general consensus, and, as always, people vastly overestimate the degree of her weakness. She is only slightly weaker than FotM champions and definitely playable. Like Jax who became FotM all of a sudden even though he recieved no meaningful changes recently and was considered 100% trash tier.
Just try to solo with Kayle and take blue whenever possible, she's a beast with blue and generally a stronger solo than most people think even without it. QWE in a quick succession at level 3 is more damage than most champions can dish out at that level and it's not that easy to escape due to slow/MS boost from W. Skilling should be something like EQWQQR into R > Q > W > E. Have no clue about masteries since I last played her before the meditation nerf, but all three trees should work well for her since you are a hybrid damage hero.
Doran's Ring, Zerkers, GRB, pots is all you need to dominate with Kayle, if you have spare gold, get Nashor's and Gunblade. Tower dive like a boss and generally be a dick since your kiting potential is nearly limitless. Some people went on with IE, it will probably work as well with it's buffs.
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On May 16 2011 22:55 Phrost wrote:
Galio is all around better than amumu except in ease of use.
His wind is about as effective as bandage toss at initiating and can be used to run away and continue chasing.
Amumu's despair does a ton more damage to tanks but overall can't provide much past his initial bandage toss ult
Galio takes up a solo lane which is more than enough to make Amumu a class above him. Besides, he faces a strange problem of being a tank-role champ that doesn't get a lot of armor.
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wut, galio is bot lane the vast majority of the time
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On May 16 2011 22:55 Phrost wrote:
Galio is all around better than amumu except in ease of use.
His wind is about as effective as bandage toss at initiating and can be used to run away and continue chasing.
Amumu's despair does a ton more damage to tanks but overall can't provide much past his initial bandage toss ult
Unless you play him AP/Tanky, Utahime style. Bandage toss is a 1:1 AP ratio, Tantrum is 0.5:1
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On May 16 2011 23:03 barbsq wrote:
wut, galio is bot lane the vast majority of the time
What's the point of this? E pushes the lane uncontrollably, Q is impossible to land outside of a fight, he can only farm with AoE spells once again pushing like mad, what exactly does Galio accomplish in a dual lane? I'm not really arguing since on EU I don't see Galio played at all, I'm just really curious.
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On May 16 2011 22:58 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 22:16 Kaniol wrote:On May 16 2011 21:55 57 Corvette wrote:
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Really? I didn't think Kayle would be a dps. Hmm, should look up a guide for her and try it out. I wouldn't recommend it. Not only she's kind of UP now but also Shurelia is working on her remake. I don't know what else can you screw with Kayle but believe me, Shurelia will make her worse Well, keep in mind that Kayle being UP is a general consensus, and, as always, people vastly overestimate the degree of her weakness. She is only slightly weaker than FotM champions and definitely playable. Like Jax who became FotM all of a sudden even though he recieved no meaningful changes recently and was considered 100% trash tier. Just try to solo with Kayle and take blue whenever possible, she's a beast with blue and generally a stronger solo than most people think even without it. QWE in a quick succession at level 3 is more damage than most champions can dish out at that level and it's not that easy to escape due to slow/MS boost from W. Skilling should be something like EQWQQR into R > Q > W > E. Have no clue about masteries since I last played her before the meditation nerf, but all three trees should work well for her since you are a hybrid damage hero. Doran's Ring, Zerkers, GRB, pots is all you need to dominate with Kayle, if you have spare gold, get Nashor's and Gunblade. Tower dive like a boss and generally be a dick since your kiting potential is nearly limitless. Some people went on with IE, it will probably work as well with it's buffs.
Ok, she doesn't sound too UP now, but is she really viable in a 3v3, or is she a 5v5 only champion?
Edit: Also, Lol at me starting up a Galio vs Amumu debate.
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On May 16 2011 22:58 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 22:16 Kaniol wrote:On May 16 2011 21:55 57 Corvette wrote:
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Really? I didn't think Kayle would be a dps. Hmm, should look up a guide for her and try it out. I wouldn't recommend it. Not only she's kind of UP now but also Shurelia is working on her remake. I don't know what else can you screw with Kayle but believe me, Shurelia will make her worse Well, keep in mind that Kayle being UP is a general consensus, and, as always, people vastly overestimate the degree of her weakness. She is only slightly weaker than FotM champions and definitely playable. Like Jax who became FotM all of a sudden even though he recieved no meaningful changes recently and was considered 100% trash tier. Just try to solo with Kayle and take blue whenever possible, she's a beast with blue and generally a stronger solo than most people think even without it. QWE in a quick succession at level 3 is more damage than most champions can dish out at that level and it's not that easy to escape due to slow/MS boost from W. Skilling should be something like EQWQQR into R > Q > W > E. Have no clue about masteries since I last played her before the meditation nerf, but all three trees should work well for her since you are a hybrid damage hero. Doran's Ring, Zerkers, GRB, pots is all you need to dominate with Kayle, if you have spare gold, get Nashor's and Gunblade. Tower dive like a boss and generally be a dick since your kiting potential is nearly limitless. Some people went on with IE, it will probably work as well with it's buffs.
This build is like a year old and i'm pretty sure that if Kayle needs anything to be played more often again - it's the new itembuild. Also wasn't Q>W>E and Q>E>W a matter of preference? (IIRC E gets CD lower, or maybe duration longer, so with lvl 5 E and 40% cdr you could have it on 24/7)
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On May 16 2011 23:06 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 23:03 barbsq wrote:
wut, galio is bot lane the vast majority of the time What's the point of this? E pushes the lane uncontrollably, Q is impossible to land outside of a fight, he can only farm with AoE spells once again pushing like mad, what exactly does Galio accomplish in a dual lane? I'm not really arguing since on EU I don't see Galio played at all, I'm just really curious.
because he's essentially a tanky caster with 2 nukes which makes him do a ton of damage early on and he's one of the few champions that can duo for a while and then let 1 person from bot roam and not instantly lose their tower.
He's also pretty durable and pretty big so he can be a halfway decent babysitter with bulwark.
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On May 16 2011 23:06 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 23:03 barbsq wrote:
wut, galio is bot lane the vast majority of the time What's the point of this? E pushes the lane uncontrollably, Q is impossible to land outside of a fight, he can only farm with AoE spells once again pushing like mad, what exactly does Galio accomplish in a dual lane? I'm not really arguing since on EU I don't see Galio played at all, I'm just really curious.
ohhhh, eu, that makes a lot of sense. galio would be pretty subpar as a straight up babysitter for a ranged carry. current trend in us is to have 1 farm tank bot with a roamer, so having galio bot is similar to having singed/jarvan/maokai bot where u can clear creepwaves ezpz when ur roamer goes roaming
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On May 16 2011 23:30 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 23:06 BluzMan wrote:On May 16 2011 23:03 barbsq wrote:
wut, galio is bot lane the vast majority of the time What's the point of this? E pushes the lane uncontrollably, Q is impossible to land outside of a fight, he can only farm with AoE spells once again pushing like mad, what exactly does Galio accomplish in a dual lane? I'm not really arguing since on EU I don't see Galio played at all, I'm just really curious. because he's essentially a tanky caster with 2 nukes which makes him do a ton of damage early on and he's one of the few champions that can duo for a while and then let 1 person from bot roam and not instantly lose their tower. He's also pretty durable and pretty big so he can be a halfway decent babysitter with bulwark.
He can clear creepwaves at lvl 5 with Q+E assuming he takes no points in bulwark. Plus theres always the ult threat if the opponents try to push you to the tower (Galio ult + tower damage = dead opponents).
He isn't very farm dependent I would say, he already deals quite a decent amount of damage without items/buffs early-mid game, and lategame he turns unto a Walking ult + support. Bulwark your teammate, flash into the middle of the opponents, ult and if you are not dead Q+E.
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On May 16 2011 23:08 57 Corvette wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 22:58 BluzMan wrote:On May 16 2011 22:16 Kaniol wrote:On May 16 2011 21:55 57 Corvette wrote:
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Really? I didn't think Kayle would be a dps. Hmm, should look up a guide for her and try it out. I wouldn't recommend it. Not only she's kind of UP now but also Shurelia is working on her remake. I don't know what else can you screw with Kayle but believe me, Shurelia will make her worse Well, keep in mind that Kayle being UP is a general consensus, and, as always, people vastly overestimate the degree of her weakness. She is only slightly weaker than FotM champions and definitely playable. Like Jax who became FotM all of a sudden even though he recieved no meaningful changes recently and was considered 100% trash tier. Just try to solo with Kayle and take blue whenever possible, she's a beast with blue and generally a stronger solo than most people think even without it. QWE in a quick succession at level 3 is more damage than most champions can dish out at that level and it's not that easy to escape due to slow/MS boost from W. Skilling should be something like EQWQQR into R > Q > W > E. Have no clue about masteries since I last played her before the meditation nerf, but all three trees should work well for her since you are a hybrid damage hero. Doran's Ring, Zerkers, GRB, pots is all you need to dominate with Kayle, if you have spare gold, get Nashor's and Gunblade. Tower dive like a boss and generally be a dick since your kiting potential is nearly limitless. Some people went on with IE, it will probably work as well with it's buffs. Ok, she doesn't sound too UP now, but is she really viable in a 3v3, or is she a 5v5 only champion? Edit: Also, Lol at me starting up a Galio vs Amumu debate.
thoughts on kayle:
-prob better in 3v3 than 5v5 tbh, 3v3 seems very good to champions who dont need to farm much to be effective
-i'd imagine new cloak and dagger to be pretty slick on her as well
-kayle's strengths lie in split dmg types, much like kog/teemo/tf, that sort of thing, again a bonus in 3v3 when you're only allowed 3 champs to be sources of dmg
-from my perspective, kayle went out of fashion due to the relative strengths of other ranged carries. her heyday was back in the tank/heal pushing compositions, where true ranged carries weren't considered necessary, and she got kinda nerfed when towers stopped taking split dmg.
-as far as runes/masteries, apen is pretty important for runes, otherwise, do w/e, armor, mres, mp5, hp, hp5. for masteries, i would only do 21 in either offense or defense, as kayle isn't very dependent on summoners
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Sign of a good amumu: bandage tosses in teamfights to land stuns on carries. Its easy to get lost in "press w, press r, mash e." A good amumu will ensure he is always on the carry's nuts at all times, stunning them and hurting them.
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Bleh...in my experience with Kayle, she was beasting before level 30 but then lost everything in ranked. Sort of like Mordekasier and Malphite in my experience.
Whenever I fight against Kayle, there is always a major grin in me simply because she needs farm to be good and she is so easy to zone. And to add more salt on the wound, she is so easy to kill and her ult does very little with a little crowd control. But that is just my personal experience fighting against Kayle.
I have seen very good Kayle players but the ones I go against get raped easily. Similar case with Nidalee.
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Did I just read "Galio is pretty much better than amumu in every situation"?
o_O
Have you seen the last 10 competitive LoL picks/bans ?
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locodoco's kayle~
15/0/15
armor pen quints and reds
mana regen yellows
mr/lvl blues
regrowth+mana pot-> philo-> boot-> rageblade-> serkers->ie ->lw
e max into w max unless u have a lane where u can shit on them
than q max into e max
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On May 16 2011 23:34 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 23:06 BluzMan wrote:On May 16 2011 23:03 barbsq wrote:
wut, galio is bot lane the vast majority of the time What's the point of this? E pushes the lane uncontrollably, Q is impossible to land outside of a fight, he can only farm with AoE spells once again pushing like mad, what exactly does Galio accomplish in a dual lane? I'm not really arguing since on EU I don't see Galio played at all, I'm just really curious. ohhhh, eu, that makes a lot of sense. galio would be pretty subpar as a straight up babysitter for a ranged carry. current trend in us is to have 1 farm tank bot with a roamer, so having galio bot is similar to having singed/jarvan/maokai bot where u can clear creepwaves ezpz when ur roamer goes roaming
I thought we passed that and that US teams are back to babysitting?
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On May 17 2011 01:56 locodoco wrote:
locodoco's kayle~
15/0/15
armor pen quints and reds
mana regen yellows
mr/lvl blues
regrowth+mana pot-> philo-> boot-> rageblade-> serkers->ie ->lw
e max into w max unless u have a lane where u can shit on them
than q max into e max
Dude, I've seen your Kayle...
No, just no. zzz
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On May 17 2011 02:05 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 01:56 locodoco wrote:
locodoco's kayle~
15/0/15
armor pen quints and reds
mana regen yellows
mr/lvl blues
regrowth+mana pot-> philo-> boot-> rageblade-> serkers->ie ->lw
e max into w max unless u have a lane where u can shit on them
than q max into e max
Dude, I've seen your Kayle... No, just no. zzz
+1 lololo
loco style: "hmm never played vs this guy before. i bet i can crush his ass ez"
"maxes q and e"
"gives fb"
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