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On May 07 2011 07:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
Which affects slows and aspeed equally: as soon as they close, you are dead as a ranged carry.
And corki is strong because of his abilities: he is NOT a ranged carry in the same vein as Trist/cait/ashe/mf.
And cait suffers from the fact she has no aspeed steroid: she has to split more money towards aspeed instead of pure damage.
Teemo is also another case: he scales with aspeed, not damage, so he builds it anyway.
TF isnt a ranged carry. He is a ganker/pusher.
Hey you know what: We don't need any duplicate champs in this game. If there's 3 champs that fit your obviously very strict definition of a ranged carry then that's plenty.
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Steroids don't have to be aspd. Corki's is armor shred. Kog'maw's is range and %max HP autoattack damage.
Vayne has no aspd steroid but she has TWO AD steroids (one that adds flat AD--her ult, and one that adds % max HP true damage).
Also, looking at her kit, unless her numbers are terrible, IMO she's going to be a strong ranged carry. She has a decent passive, an escape skill, a % HP TRUE DAMAGE steroid, a non-ult CC, and an ult that augments everything else about her kit.
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Im only trying to say that based on the admittedly limited information that we have, that if she is supposed to be a right click carry she doesnt have a skill set that will help her do that job.
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On May 07 2011 07:25 HazMat wrote:
HOLY SHIT IS THAT LAOCHING ON JIJI STREAM.
OMG JIJI STREAMING?! I was sooo hoping for him to stream soon and i quit waiting, yet now you post about him streaming :S
On May 07 2011 07:30 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im only trying to say that based on the admittedly limited information that we have, that if she is supposed to be a right click carry she doesnt have a skill set that will help her do that job.
It's funny how you are arguing with half of the people in this thread :p
Like Yango said - she does have steroids, just not attack speed steroids
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On May 07 2011 07:26 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:25 HazMat wrote:
HOLY SHIT IS THAT LAOCHING ON JIJI STREAM. Yeah, saw him on stream a few times already.
WTF since when OMG he's been playing since yesterday holy shit
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On May 07 2011 07:30 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im only trying to say that based on the admittedly limited information that we have, that if she is supposed to be a right click carry she doesnt have a skill set that will help her do that job.
Why not?
Compare her functionality to Tristana. Both have jump skills. Both have a knockback, and while Trist's is AoE, its also her ultimate and doesn't have a potential stun. Trist's 2 remaining skills are a steroid and a farm skill. Vayne's remaining skills are a steroid and a utility skill that can be used for a bunch of different things (and is also a steroid).
It'll come entirely down to numbers (base range, mana costs, strength of the % HP true damage, cd of the knockback, etc.). Based purely on the functionality of her kit, she'll work perfectly fine as a ranged carry.
EDIT: Incidentally, the one thing that other ranged carries have that Vayne doesn't appear to have is an AoE farming skill. Ashe has Volley, Cait has Peacemaker, Trist has jump and the passive on E, Sivir has BB, etc.
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On May 07 2011 07:25 HazMat wrote:
HOLY SHIT IS THAT LAOCHING ON JIJI STREAM.
noobs that don't have laoking on their buddy list, zz.
He's on vacation from army. Grinding crazy games.
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seems seriously unlikely to have a carry steroid that deals true damage
yeah there's corki, but corki doesn't have hard steroids... most of his passive, most of his gatling gun, most of his missile damage comes from the base values. He's like the tanky dps of ranged carries, that's why he can get away with building triforce.
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On May 07 2011 07:43 UniversalSnip wrote:
seems seriously unlikely to have a carry steroid that deals true damage
After Riot released Jarvan, I gave up with trying to reason about Riot putting obviously bullshit abilities on new champion kits.
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On May 07 2011 06:33 locodoco wrote:doublelift(taric) + hsgg(jarvan) < feedfest(janna) + westrice(ashe) chaox(irelia) + xpecial(blitz) < loco(ashe) + cornsalad(janna) manyreason(lux) + cornsalad(taric) < chaox(ashe) + xpecial(janna) last few tourney games and scrims
Have you tested burst/kill lanes against the ranged dps/support combo yet? I remember the reason the EU meta was theorized to be weak was because it seemed like the lanes would be too easy to burst down at early levels (and then the lane control is lost completely and one character would be able to roam). I wouldn't consider taric/jarvan, irelia/blitz, or lux/taric to be a burst/kill lane; I'd like to see something like Sion/Garen, Sion/Alistar, or Alistar/Blitz against those lanes (with no roaming at lvl 1 and repeatedly going for kills). IMO the US meta got too obsessed with roaming at level 1.
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On May 07 2011 03:50 sRapers_ValkS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 03:44 BloodNinja wrote:The Locodoco incident happened probably 2 months ago. There was a great facepalm gif that came from his webcam of that incident. ohhh that's what the facepalm came from? anyway, wish he still streamed
The legendary double facepalm?
Loco was playing some ranked game, first picks Janna.
Some other dude wants to play janna, (3rd pick) so the guy picks MF and is going to trade with Loco.
Everything goes well until loco randomly decides to go to the washroom.
3rd pick guy makes a trade request, loco never accepts since he's away.
Comes back, sees the loading screen, and realizes he's playing janna
DOUBLE FACEPALM.
Full story right there (I as there when it happened)
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On May 07 2011 07:34 TheYango wrote:
EDIT: Incidentally, the one thing that other ranged carries have that Vayne doesn't appear to have is an AoE farming skill. Ashe has Volley, Cait has Peacemaker, Trist has jump and the passive on E, Sivir has BB, etc.
Volley isn't true AoE. Then there are Ezreal and Twitch who only have their ultimates for AoE.
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On May 07 2011 07:41 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:25 HazMat wrote:
HOLY SHIT IS THAT LAOCHING ON JIJI STREAM. noobs that don't have laoking on their buddy list, zz. He's on vacation from army. Grinding crazy games.
we cant all be as good as neoillusions.
kingillusions teach me the ways of the rumble.
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On May 07 2011 07:34 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:30 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im only trying to say that based on the admittedly limited information that we have, that if she is supposed to be a right click carry she doesnt have a skill set that will help her do that job. EDIT: Incidentally, the one thing that other ranged carries have that Vayne doesn't appear to have is an AoE farming skill. Ashe has Volley, Cait has Peacemaker, Trist has jump and the passive on E, Sivir has BB, etc.
And that's why the Tiamat was created =P
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most boring passive ever:
Night Hunter (Passive): Vayne ruthlessly hunts evil-doers. She gains bonus Movement Speed when moving toward nearby enemy champions.
wdf
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Damage is easier to itemize than attack speed, especially for a ranged carry. Aspeed steroids>damage imo. I couldnt give a flying fuck if i have a steroid that deals 25 extra damage every time I attack. That means i have to spend gold to get attack speed. But if im trist, and I have attack speed boosts, I can build more damage, and hit more often.
Id rather have 2 shots of 275 damage over 1 of 500. Maths is fun like that.
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On May 07 2011 08:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
Damage is easier to itemize than attack speed, especially for a ranged carry. Aspeed steroids>damage imo. I couldnt give a flying fuck if i have a steroid that deals 25 extra damage every time I attack. That means i have to spend gold to get attack speed. But if im trist, and I have attack speed boosts, I can build more damage, and hit more often.
Id rather have 2 shots of 275 damage over 1 of 500. Maths is fun like that.
While this might be true (given that AD options like IE are more cost-effective than their AS equivalents like SotD for ranged carries), it also doesn't quite hold when your steroids aren't straight AD, but are true damage or % max HP (or both, as the case may be). Kog'maw's steroid skill isn't an aspd steroid, but it's still hella strong.
Also, if you're trying to make a comparison, 25 AD is a bad number to choose, seeing as based purely on gold value, Trist's level 1 Rapid Fire has approximately the same value. An equivalent AD steroid to Trist's rank 5 Rapid Fire would have to give like 75 AD (which is by no means insignificant).
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On May 07 2011 06:32 Tooplark wrote:
Anyone know what the patch/hotfix is?
There were a few minor bugs that needed correcting. Some graphical, some numerical. Nothing special.
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I agree that a steroid is better than none at all. My point was merely that damage is probably the worst one you can actually get on a ranged carry. Aspeed and range are great, damage not so much. % max hp sounds great, but then you realize that it will most likely be something around 10%, which on a character with 2k hp is only 200 damage, less than an auto attack.
I would feel a lot better about vayne if her ultimate gave her attack speed, not damage.
Again, all based on the theory she is a ranged dps, not an assassin.
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TwoDowny too good at the game, telling everyone what's up. l0l
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