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SQWKZ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland720 Posts
May 06 2011 23:34 GMT
#14181
Assassin sounds more likely, seeing how her movespeed buffs support her chasing enemies down.
So zen.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 23:49:17
May 06 2011 23:39 GMT
#14182
On May 07 2011 08:28 Two_DoWn wrote:
I would feel a lot better about vayne if her ultimate gave her attack speed, not damage.

You don't even know the numbers yet.

The difference in functionality between her ult giving attack speed and straight AD is small enough that if she has strong numbers it will outweigh the inherent weakness of AD as a steroid stat compared to attack speed. That's why I think it's silly to say her kit is bad for being a right-click carry. Her kit, if you assume numbers will fill in well, is GREAT for being a right-click carry, because based purely on the utility components of her skills (and not at all on the damage/numerical components which we can't know yet), she has the tools a right-click carry needs.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
May 06 2011 23:54 GMT
#14183
fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=8589813#post8589813
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 23:56:27
May 06 2011 23:54 GMT
#14184
I have it on good authority that her Ult CD is pretty low which means you combo it with your Q to get in thanks to stealth, use E like a Poppy E (except it's ranged), and deal nasty damage thanks to W. The AD and MS steroids from R+Q+Passive lets you stick to your target and do terrible terrible damage even if they try to kite. That's how I see it anyways.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:03:04
May 06 2011 23:55 GMT
#14185
true damage % of max hp is crazy broken unless its a low value.

And hard to balance. It's exactly as strong vs a tank as vs a squishy, but she seems like an assassin who'd concentrate on squishies. Or maybe she'll end up being able to demolish both.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 07 2011 00:01 GMT
#14186
On May 07 2011 08:28 Two_DoWn wrote:
I agree that a steroid is better than none at all. My point was merely that damage is probably the worst one you can actually get on a ranged carry. Aspeed and range are great, damage not so much. % max hp sounds great, but then you realize that it will most likely be something around 10%, which on a character with 2k hp is only 200 damage, less than an auto attack.

I would feel a lot better about vayne if her ultimate gave her attack speed, not damage.

Again, all based on the theory she is a ranged dps, not an assassin.

Erm...I'd hella want a bonus 200 true damage to my every third attack...that's a lot dude...especially since it's in addition to your regular auto damage and it's unaffected by armor/mres...
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:17:51
May 07 2011 00:06 GMT
#14187
The thing is, E just seems unwieldy as a skill for an assassin, because unlike Poppy's E, it doesn't carry you with them, so it'll push you out of attack range. It seems much more suited for either 1) lasthitting champions, or 2) shoving away shorter-range guys trying to eat you. 1 is a pretty poor way to use it, obviously, and 2 is more relevant to a ranged carry than an assassin.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:10:38
May 07 2011 00:09 GMT
#14188
On May 07 2011 09:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
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On May 07 2011 08:28 Two_DoWn wrote:
I agree that a steroid is better than none at all. My point was merely that damage is probably the worst one you can actually get on a ranged carry. Aspeed and range are great, damage not so much. % max hp sounds great, but then you realize that it will most likely be something around 10%, which on a character with 2k hp is only 200 damage, less than an auto attack.

I would feel a lot better about vayne if her ultimate gave her attack speed, not damage.

Again, all based on the theory she is a ranged dps, not an assassin.

Erm...I'd hella want a bonus 200 true damage to my every third attack...that's a lot dude...especially since it's in addition to your regular auto damage and it's unaffected by armor/mres...

Only it is probably gonna have a cooldown. And you need to hit the SAME target three times. Doesnt seem that hard, but what about in a teamfight where your target moves to the other side and in order to hit that third shot you need to cross the fight with them?

I seriously hope she is an assassin. Her kit is great for that. Not so much ranged deeps. Somewhere phrost is laughing at me since he already knows.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:15:00
May 07 2011 00:12 GMT
#14189
On May 07 2011 09:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Only it is probably gonna have a cooldown. And you need to hit the SAME target three times. Doesnt seem that hard, but what about in a teamfight where your target moves to the other side and in order to hit that third shot you need to cross the fight with them?

I seriously hope she is an assassin. Her kit is great for that. Not so much ranged deeps. Somewhere phrost is laughing at me since he already knows.

Doesn't this make her a worse assassin, and a better carry?

It's hard to chase squishies across a fight. It's easy to keep hitting tanks, because if they back away in such a way that you can't get consecutive shots on them, they expose their squishies to the rest of your team. So you push continuous shots onto their tank, which your W kills just as quickly as squishies because it ignores all mitigation stats except dodge.

Also, the way it's worded, W seems like it's passive like Teemo's or TF's E.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 07 2011 00:17 GMT
#14190
No way. Much better assassin. Tumble to follow your designated squishy, kill them, die while you are isolated from your team. If you are the ranged carry, your main priority is staying alive. If you cant reach that third hit, you have to let them go and start hurting another target.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 07 2011 00:21 GMT
#14191
Oo I really like the new champ. She reminds me of trist kinda.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
May 07 2011 00:22 GMT
#14192
Seriously, I hate ultimates that go like "become stronger for X seconds". An ult should either be a game-changing move on a long ass CD (see Shen, Amumu, Zilean etc) or give an unique mechanic that defines your champion with low CD (imagine how different Kassadin would be without his ult, or Kog'Maw or, say, Storm Spirit from DotA). Typically self-buff ults aren't that bad since they still give some unique mechanic that sort of defines your champ (immunity to CC as Olaf or immunity to death as Tryndamere), but Vayne's ult seems completely uninspiring, it's very much like Sivir and that is why I hate Sivir.

Maybe I'm underestimating the stealth part of it though but everything else looks like people who did her lacked imagination.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 07 2011 00:26 GMT
#14193
On May 07 2011 09:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
No way. Much better assassin. Tumble to follow your designated squishy, kill them, die while you are isolated from your team. If you are the ranged carry, your main priority is staying alive. If you cant reach that third hit, you have to let them go and start hurting another target.

You're only going to lose a target like that if you're getting anticarried/focused, because again, Cho'gath isn't going to back off from your 3rd hit if it means you get to hit Ashe behind him. And Vayne has two ways to peel herself, one of which is further augmented by her ultimate--she'll be able to push autoattacks onto anticarries without getting killed herself.

Carries like Corki and Cait have no problem getting to 3 autoattacks off Black Cleaver, and Vayne has an even better escape kit than either of them.
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BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
May 07 2011 00:28 GMT
#14194
On May 07 2011 06:22 Niton wrote:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=721896

Show nested quote +
Lore:

The world is not always as civilized as people might think. There are still those who would follow the blackest paths of magic and become corrupted by the darker powers that flow through Runeterra. Shauna Vayne knows this fact well. As a young privileged girl in the heart of Demacia’s elite, her father tried to convince her of the constabulary's ever-vigilant eye. Young and naïve, she truly believed that her world was one of perfect safety… until one night, when a twisted witch took interest in her father. The malevolent woman overcame her father's conciliar guard, then tortured her family before murdering them. The young Shauna escaped only by hiding herself and then fleeing once the hag had departed, plagued by the screams of her loved ones as she ran. A burning hatred was born in her that day, one that could never be denied.

Vayne was able to take care of herself using her father’s money, and she began to train as soon as an instructor would have her as a student. By the time she was a fully grown woman, she had become a grim warrior. However, the fields of battle were not to be her home. Demacia needed a protector, one who hunted those lost to the darkness. Shauna used her family's contacts to become the first Night Hunter, and now her prowess is the stuff of legends. It is said that those who practice the black arts quake when they hear that the Night Hunter is on the prowl. Despite her crusade, Shauna has looked at the League of Legends in horror. There are champions who have clearly lost themselves to the blackest of magics, and who have been embraced within the League even though they should be put down for the safety of all. The time has come for the Night Hunter to execute her secret mission – to purge the League of Legends.

Not all shadows are to be feared. At least, if Vayne has her way.

Abilities:

Night Hunter (Passive): Vayne ruthlessly hunts evil-doers. She gains bonus Movement Speed when moving toward nearby enemy champions.

Tumble: Vayne tumbles, maneuvering to carefully place her next shot. She rolls toward the cursor and her next attack deals bonus damage.

Silver Bolts: Vayne tips her bolts with a rare metal, toxic to evil things. The third consecutive attack or ability against the same target deals a percentage of the target's maximum Health as bonus true damage. (Max damage vs. Monsters is capped)

Condemn: Vayne draws a heavy crossbow from her back, and fires a huge bolt at her target, dealing damage and knocking them back. If they collide with terrain, they are impaled, dealing bonus damage and stunning them.

Final Hour (Ultimate): Readying herself for an epic confrontation, Vayne gains increased Attack Damage, stealth during Tumble, and quadruple the bonus Movement Speed from Night Hunter.


The god damn batman.


She sounds like a ranged poppy. I already hate facing melee poppy. Maybe I should save up some IP now.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:56:28
May 07 2011 00:55 GMT
#14195
-_-
who else saw CLG vs solomid.
well only game 1 but still.
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ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
May 07 2011 00:57 GMT
#14196
Demolished
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
May 07 2011 00:58 GMT
#14197
clg got shit on
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 01:00:33
May 07 2011 01:00 GMT
#14198
Eve, jungle Alistar, and Maokai.

Somehow I don't think CLG took that game that seriously, especially given the picks that were open.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 07 2011 01:10 GMT
#14199
On May 07 2011 09:22 BluzMan wrote:
Seriously, I hate ultimates that go like "become stronger for X seconds". An ult should either be a game-changing move on a long ass CD (see Shen, Amumu, Zilean etc) or give an unique mechanic that defines your champion with low CD (imagine how different Kassadin would be without his ult, or Kog'Maw or, say, Storm Spirit from DotA). Typically self-buff ults aren't that bad since they still give some unique mechanic that sort of defines your champ (immunity to CC as Olaf or immunity to death as Tryndamere), but Vayne's ult seems completely uninspiring, it's very much like Sivir and that is why I hate Sivir.

Maybe I'm underestimating the stealth part of it though but everything else looks like people who did her lacked imagination.

Her Ult is on a low CD and her Q is also very usable. That means you can keep tracking down and following a target and nail it. Stealth from R+Q will break aggro on you in a teamfight unless there is oracles I believe. Her MS buff and Q will probably also let her kite hard. E is a ranged stun. W encourages you to find a target and focus it down with your other skills giving you good positioning instead of just firing at everything in sight. All her skills and passive synergise well with each other.

There's nothing wrong with a short CD spammy ult that isn't a unique mechanic. For example, Anivia's ult is an AoE move that isn't terribly unique but it synergises will with the rest of her kit.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Snowster
Profile Joined June 2003
United States78 Posts
May 07 2011 01:12 GMT
#14200
Any idea why they took Maokai for bottom lane instead of Singed?
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