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Yeah by no means do I think carrying is all about stacking up kills. I've seen plenty of people doing this but as a result they're not helping the team and it causes a loss.
The game I mentioned actually we had it especially hard because not only were we going 4v5, but they had a Yi backdooring. Even more effective because it means if they teamfight it's 4v4 with Yi not there and 4v3 if someone is defending against the backdooring. I decided to defend against the backdooring and because the other team wasnt very good and my team could win fights without me; we actually started gaining ground despite our disadvantage because they stopped taking towers. However, when I was doing this I got accused of being useless and doing nothing. It's hard to direct a team what to do when they have no idea how the game should be played and have no respect for you from the beginning.
Thats why it was the most frustrating game I ever played. 4v5, I played extremely well, and the teammates think the opposite and won't listen to me. That and the fact that it was a long game that we came close to winning but didnt.
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
How about Yi? Is he viable as a jungler compared to the top tier ones? At least he is pretty fast and offers a solid gank with his Q + red buff.
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Yi is one of the top solo queue junglers, mainly because he's fast and if you rely on your team being retarded you have BDing to fall back on.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On February 16 2011 01:05 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2011 23:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
Got to love the people who always go "Enjoy being stuck at xxxx ELO you fucking scrub" when they themselves are the same ELO as you and you're not the reason you lost the game. Like, had a panth try to 1v5 3 times in a row and blame me as lux for "not doing enough damage" when I had 500 AP + voidstaff. Like, holy fuck, I'm sorry I cannot nuke through almost 10k+ worth of HP in 3 seconds while my team has to 4v5 every fight b/c panth thinks he's Rambo. Of course that alone wasn't the only reason we lost but it made huge disadvantages for us and we had to try to hold a tower as 4 and lost complete map control each time he'd do that. if it were actually Rambo, he would've scored a Pentakill and come out with 10 stacks on both his SotO and Leviathan. meh, my solo queue elo is tanking a little atm as I try to work on role playing, specifically playing support. I dunno what it is about Janna, but I just can't play that bitch.
need janna lessons bro? since you are a girl they are free LOL.LOL.LOL.
went into ranked as first time karma since i got both her skins for free and god is she terrible. really hope she gets a buff this patch
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I like to get better with characters by queuing with TLers, provided they don't mind. Either we're all trolling and no one cares, or everyone else is carrying me which works out pretty well. It's definitely better to learn supports by playing with people you know are better than you (spud #1 jungle trynd)
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On February 16 2011 02:00 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2011 01:05 Mogwai wrote:On February 15 2011 23:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
Got to love the people who always go "Enjoy being stuck at xxxx ELO you fucking scrub" when they themselves are the same ELO as you and you're not the reason you lost the game. Like, had a panth try to 1v5 3 times in a row and blame me as lux for "not doing enough damage" when I had 500 AP + voidstaff. Like, holy fuck, I'm sorry I cannot nuke through almost 10k+ worth of HP in 3 seconds while my team has to 4v5 every fight b/c panth thinks he's Rambo. Of course that alone wasn't the only reason we lost but it made huge disadvantages for us and we had to try to hold a tower as 4 and lost complete map control each time he'd do that. if it were actually Rambo, he would've scored a Pentakill and come out with 10 stacks on both his SotO and Leviathan. meh, my solo queue elo is tanking a little atm as I try to work on role playing, specifically playing support. I dunno what it is about Janna, but I just can't play that bitch. need janna lessons bro? since you are a girl they are free LOL.LOL.LOL. went into ranked as first time karma since i got both her skins for free and god is she terrible. really hope she gets a buff this patch
karma is imba good. u sho me janna, I show you karma, let's duo sometime.
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On February 16 2011 02:45 Mogwai wrote:
karma is imba good
Really? I've never seen one do well--- but then, I've never seen a Cass other than myself do well either.
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United States47024 Posts
On February 16 2011 02:45 Mogwai wrote:
karma is imba good. u sho me janna, I show you karma, let's duo sometime.
How are you playing her?
I find she doesn't have enough utility to be played as a babysitter, and doesn't do enough damage for an AP caster.
Just seems to get overshadowed by, say, Zilean or Morgana, who can do both well.
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If you don't get 20 assists you're doing it wrong.
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I never played karma, but I would imagine just taking clarity and shield and heal spam a carry in lane? Numba 1 babysitter?
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I've tried AP and tanky so far. Liked tanky the best. She seems to do really well when you build her into a tanky AP hybrid from games I've seen of her, but granted, I'm a scrub. :D
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I really just wanna duo troll with inept, I dunno much about playing Karma, lol.
but I once got worked in a solo lane as Panth vs. Karma because that passive makes finishing her through that damn shield really annoying.
She's along the lines of Zil (more nukey, less supporty) in that she needs to be assisting tanky DPS (Olaf, Garen, Xin, etc) to be maximum utility.
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United States47024 Posts
On February 16 2011 03:10 Juicyfruit wrote:
I never played karma, but I would imagine just taking clarity and shield and heal spam a carry in lane? Numba 1 babysitter?
Ok, so what happens when you get to teamfights, where you have a weak shield, weak heal, and weak slow?
I dislike how much of her is pure damage and zero utility (unmantra-ed Q, E's mantra effect). If you're going to put a pure damage skill on a support, it better be one of the best damn damage skills in the game (e.g. Zilean bombs), because a babysitter isn't going to collect enough gold to give it good AP scaling, so it has to make up for the fact that it will do absolutely nothing late-game.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On February 16 2011 03:19 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2011 03:10 Juicyfruit wrote:
I never played karma, but I would imagine just taking clarity and shield and heal spam a carry in lane? Numba 1 babysitter? Ok, so what happens when you get to teamfights, where you have a weak shield, weak heal, and weak slow? I dislike how much of her is pure damage and zero utility (unmantra-ed Q, E's mantra effect). If you're going to put a pure damage skill on a support, it better be one of the best damn damage skills in the game (e.g. Zilean bombs), because a babysitter isn't going to collect enough gold to give it good AP scaling, so it has to make up for the fact that it will do absolutely nothing late-game.
the thing that annoyed me more actually is that zilean can just QWQ entire creep waves, while karma has absolutely jack shit for farming. i was having serious trouble getting any sort of cs with her so id imagine you need early HoG/philo stone and give your partner all cs. then get randuin/revelrie later or w/e
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United States47024 Posts
On February 16 2011 03:22 Brees wrote:
the thing that annoyed me more actually is that zilean can just QWQ entire creep waves, while karma has absolutely jack shit for farming. i was having serious trouble getting any sort of cs with her so id imagine you need early HoG/philo stone and give your partner all cs. then get randuin/revelrie later or w/e
The one time I played her, clearing creep waves was not a problem. Once you get a few levels, you just run into the middle of one and REQ. Then again, I played her in a solo, so I had some AP to work with midgame.
The real problem for laning IMO is that none of her spells have good range, so except against melee laners, there's very little you can do to stop the other team from farming.
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derrrr....
matraE -> Q rapestroys creepwaves.
W is the lowest priority skill IMO.
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United States47024 Posts
On February 16 2011 03:24 Mogwai wrote:
W is the lowest priority skill IMO.
I'm sort of mixed in that I know that W is overall her worst skill, but at the same time, it's the only skill you should ever actually land on a ranged laner.
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United States37500 Posts
Karma farms fine. RQ and RE solves.
I think she's a greater caster.
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i just don't like karma right now because her scaling is terribad because they make her have to get 6 levels in abilities to get the same effect that most casters get at 5 or even 4 levels.
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United States2822 Posts
I really wish I could convince people who play support/tanks that they DON'T need CS as much as the Ashe/Xin that's carrying does. D:
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