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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 02:36:58
January 04 2011 02:36 GMT
#3341
It is working, you just don't paste the page with image but image itself:
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 03:31:21
January 04 2011 03:30 GMT
#3342
Just had a hilarious game. Go Kennen, Vlad demands top lane. I could mid, but that's two APs solo, so I give it to Ashe (go team!). I notice we have two teles, so I open boots/ward/pot. I go to ward blue, they're 5-guarding. I back, as I took some hits.

Ashe calls me a feeder. Note: I did not die.

I wait for minions, go back, find nunu soloing blue. I drop the ward, ping it, and say "tele", then beat on nunu. Their bottom lane wanders over and kills me.

So not only did they not say "don't go ward, I won't tele", they just...didn't teleport.

Ashe calls me a feeder.

I go back to lane. I'm underlevel, obviously. I'm laning with cho, who's pushing. Their jungle shows up for a gank with the lane super-pushed. Our jungle does not show up, no one teleports to the lane. I lead them in a random direction so Cho can escape, which he does.

Ashe calls me a feeder.

Teamfights start. Twice, people complain I should've ulted to stun and save their asses despite the fact that they died to Galio ult I was also trapped in. Once, I pull a brilliant ult with 5 people chasing Ashe to stun them, then get away.

Ashe dies anyway. She neglects to call me a feeder this time.

Next teamfight, I trap their ez (carry) in an ult, stun him, and take off half his health. He drops all his CDs on me, with the ignite killing me, and tries to run. My teammates kill him.

Ashe calls me a feeder.

I buy a vision ward for baron, which we got the first time it was up. I ask if anyone knows when it'll be up again (too early to ward, I thought).

Ashe calls me a feeder. No, really, she says "when you stop feeding". So helpful.

Anyway, I end up scaling up decently lategame, getting a bunch of good stuns and even some kills. It's not a great game, but whatever, we won. Of course, and you know it's coming...

Ashe calls me a feeder.

Postscript: Ashe claims to be 1600, but "because of terrible teammates" has dropped to 1430. She is one of two people on my team to make this claim. This is the closest I have ever come to intentionally feeding.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 04 2011 03:46 GMT
#3343
On January 04 2011 12:30 oberon wrote:
Just had a hilarious game. Go Kennen, Vlad demands top lane. I could mid, but that's two APs solo, so I give it to Ashe (go team!). I notice we have two teles, so I open boots/ward/pot. I go to ward blue, they're 5-guarding. I back, as I took some hits.

Ashe calls me a feeder. Note: I did not die.

I wait for minions, go back, find nunu soloing blue. I drop the ward, ping it, and say "tele", then beat on nunu. Their bottom lane wanders over and kills me.

So not only did they not say "don't go ward, I won't tele", they just...didn't teleport.

Ashe calls me a feeder.

I go back to lane. I'm underlevel, obviously. I'm laning with cho, who's pushing. Their jungle shows up for a gank with the lane super-pushed. Our jungle does not show up, no one teleports to the lane. I lead them in a random direction so Cho can escape, which he does.

Ashe calls me a feeder.

Teamfights start. Twice, people complain I should've ulted to stun and save their asses despite the fact that they died to Galio ult I was also trapped in. Once, I pull a brilliant ult with 5 people chasing Ashe to stun them, then get away.

Ashe dies anyway. She neglects to call me a feeder this time.

Next teamfight, I trap their ez (carry) in an ult, stun him, and take off half his health. He drops all his CDs on me, with the ignite killing me, and tries to run. My teammates kill him.

Ashe calls me a feeder.

I buy a vision ward for baron, which we got the first time it was up. I ask if anyone knows when it'll be up again (too early to ward, I thought).

Ashe calls me a feeder. No, really, she says "when you stop feeding". So helpful.

Anyway, I end up scaling up decently lategame, getting a bunch of good stuns and even some kills. It's not a great game, but whatever, we won. Of course, and you know it's coming...

Ashe calls me a feeder.

Postscript: Ashe claims to be 1600, but "because of terrible teammates" has dropped to 1430. She is one of two people on my team to make this claim. This is the closest I have ever come to intentionally feeding.

I don't think warding a jungler's blue buff is a particularly effective way to prevent him from taking it because you're pretty much always going to be fighting with less numbers, having your top lane teleport to a ward to stop a jungler from taking a blue is a great way to make him lose his lane horribly and it's level 1, just let them have it. It's the same reason that I laugh really hard at warwicks who open cloth + 2 pot + ward because wtf can you do to me as I take my buff? If my team just follows you we win the fight and even if they don't we win anyway because you're trading a level on each lane for gimping the jungler slightly and maaaaaybe a kill/buff.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
January 04 2011 04:15 GMT
#3344
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 04 2011 04:17 GMT
#3345
Caitlyn is going to be a noob trap for the next week and a half. No ranked for me.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Kingske
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium252 Posts
January 04 2011 04:24 GMT
#3346
tough to play but looks fun
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
January 04 2011 04:51 GMT
#3347
New main, Grinding out to 1800 ranked tomorrow
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 08:17:20
January 04 2011 06:55 GMT
#3348
I'm doing math to see how comparable phoenix is to tiger. If anyone else wants to do it (since I have no idea how long it's going to take), here are all the numbers you should need.

56ad
.625 as +.033
monkey 10% as is .066 lasts 5 seconds
stances have a 6 second cd

Tiger 1.7ad +30 20% instance as +15% as activation lasts 5 seconds
Phoenix 40(+.25) per 3 attacks + 5 waves of 10(+.25) + 16ap 8ad

Blue takes 23% increased magic damage.
Blue has 19% reduced damage
Blue has 1450hp
Minions have 350hp
Minions have 7% reduced damage


In order to do this, you take out everything that would be the same (runes, masteries, items). I am rounding DOWN for all numbers and ignoring minion hp regen.

Tiger;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
AS .955 for 5 seconds, you will get 4.775 attacks off in those 5 seconds, the next attack will come 1.2658 seconds later at almost exactly 6 seconds (the cd for tiger). You will get off 5 attacks from one tiger activation. Your normal attacks do 45 damage, tiger does 153 damage. 547 (smite) + 153 + 45*5 + 153 + 45*5 + 153 = 1456. Blue should die in between the 12 and 13 second mark (which is incredibly fast). Minions should die in the next 9-10 seconds.

Phoenix;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Assumptions: I am assuming a certain way for how autoattacks are calculated, that if your AS is modified in the duration between when the next autoattack would happen, and when the bonus kicks in, it either happens immediately, or when the faster autoattack would next take place.

5 waves of 14 damage, 44 damage per 3 attacks, 8 bonus ad, .724 AS for 5 seconds, .658 AS normally. You kill blue at 17.1287 seconds, plus 172 aoe damage to minions and however many of your 4 breathes you can get onto minions (they have 178 hp left). 1 should be dead or almost dead since I have never seen anyone able to move blue into a position where the breathe will hit both minions, minions should die in the next 5-6 seconds.


Based on this math, tiger will kill blue and minions fastest, meaning you will take less damage and be safer from ganks. It looks like AS scales better for phoenix while AD scales better for tiger. If you aren't going to be going ad for Udyr, phoenix is still what you max. If you are going AD then tiger is definitely what you max. With the change to tiger, it can only increase your jungling ability with phoenix (if you have the mana to support it).

edit: something I forgot to account for, making my times slightly higher than they should be, is that the first attack comes at time 0, not the first attack interval.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 04 2011 07:27 GMT
#3349
There's a lot more to jungling than blue though. Wraiths make excellent use of the Phoenix AoE as well as the other camps. Completing the first camp 2 seconds faster to be slower for the rest of your route hardly seems worth it, but it's certainly something to look into.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 04 2011 07:39 GMT
#3350
On January 04 2011 16:27 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
There's a lot more to jungling than blue though. Wraiths make excellent use of the Phoenix AoE as well as the other camps. Completing the first camp 2 seconds faster to be slower for the rest of your route hardly seems worth it, but it's certainly something to look into.

So do it yourself then.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 04 2011 07:59 GMT
#3351
I can't until the game is patched.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 04 2011 08:39 GMT
#3352
My god Doublelift is the sickest fucking player. Every time he winds up on a stream as Blitz my jaw ends up on the floor.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
January 04 2011 10:00 GMT
#3353
Getting so tired of luckers getting into the 1800 rating even though they don't even know they should gank as jungle, farm as carry or buy wards and support.

AND HAVE THE BALLS TO WHINE

Need to get myself a stressball or something, this shit is getting on my nerves more then dota-league.

And when I get so unlucky that I get 1600 players on my team that are actually 1400 players I go emo and start watching chick flicks to cheer up. (works suprisingly well)

I dropped from 1930 to 1830 during christmass & new year, after the holidays I can work my way back up, coincidence? Damn drunken players.

Also I'd like to suggest you guys trie out BRONIVIA, anivia providing everything brolaf needs (slow, stuns & walls)
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 10:02:17
January 04 2011 10:01 GMT
#3354
Any real noobs posting here? I started playing 2 months ago and reached lvl 20 last week (yeah, I'm not exactly massing games). At the beginning I played Akali and Amumu a lot (first 2 champions I tried). After being grabbed-raped by Blitz in a couple of games, I wanted to do the same with other noobs :D. I didn't get so good with grabbing, but better than worthless (arguable).
I fell in love with Anivia (another hero starting with A!) and started to use her as my main mage. I would really love to be good with Karthus though, since I have the feeling he is underrated and I love underrated heroes, but I am not sure if I'm good enough for him yet.

After not dying that often with Akali, I started to consider picking heroes to better match my team. No mage/AoE present? Pick Anivia. Beefy heroes and DPS, but no chasers? Akali. No tanks? I mistook Blitz and Amumu for tanking, failed that role a bit with Cho'Gath (even though I like him) before settling with Rammus. Still need some practice with powerball, but I have managed to save our carry from time to time. Still not so good with initiating, but that is comes with more practice/better game sense.

So, I have shunned the typical DPS/carry champions because I usually find those roles/champions boring like Yi, Ashe and Sivir, and I also believe I suck as a carry. Unfortunately the last couple of games people are not picking those roles as often as before, and now I am feeling forced to pick them myself. I considered Tristana or Twisted Fate, but now the new hero Caitlyn is out, which looks like a real fun champion. What should this noob try first? Having fun is more important than playing the top-top tier champion, but I would also like to avoid low-tier champions if possible.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 04 2011 11:01 GMT
#3355
On January 04 2011 19:01 kochujang wrote:
Any real noobs posting here? I started playing 2 months ago and reached lvl 20 last week (yeah, I'm not exactly massing games). At the beginning I played Akali and Amumu a lot (first 2 champions I tried). After being grabbed-raped by Blitz in a couple of games, I wanted to do the same with other noobs :D. I didn't get so good with grabbing, but better than worthless (arguable).
I fell in love with Anivia (another hero starting with A!) and started to use her as my main mage. I would really love to be good with Karthus though, since I have the feeling he is underrated and I love underrated heroes, but I am not sure if I'm good enough for him yet.

After not dying that often with Akali, I started to consider picking heroes to better match my team. No mage/AoE present? Pick Anivia. Beefy heroes and DPS, but no chasers? Akali. No tanks? I mistook Blitz and Amumu for tanking, failed that role a bit with Cho'Gath (even though I like him) before settling with Rammus. Still need some practice with powerball, but I have managed to save our carry from time to time. Still not so good with initiating, but that is comes with more practice/better game sense.

So, I have shunned the typical DPS/carry champions because I usually find those roles/champions boring like Yi, Ashe and Sivir, and I also believe I suck as a carry. Unfortunately the last couple of games people are not picking those roles as often as before, and now I am feeling forced to pick them myself. I considered Tristana or Twisted Fate, but now the new hero Caitlyn is out, which looks like a real fun champion. What should this noob try first? Having fun is more important than playing the top-top tier champion, but I would also like to avoid low-tier champions if possible.

I play zero carries. Just pick an AP nuker and you'll be fine.
Stealthpenguin
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland393 Posts
January 04 2011 11:09 GMT
#3356
On January 04 2011 19:01 kochujang wrote:
Any real noobs posting here? I started playing 2 months ago and reached lvl 20 last week (yeah, I'm not exactly massing games). At the beginning I played Akali and Amumu a lot (first 2 champions I tried). After being grabbed-raped by Blitz in a couple of games, I wanted to do the same with other noobs :D. I didn't get so good with grabbing, but better than worthless (arguable).
I fell in love with Anivia (another hero starting with A!) and started to use her as my main mage. I would really love to be good with Karthus though, since I have the feeling he is underrated and I love underrated heroes, but I am not sure if I'm good enough for him yet.

After not dying that often with Akali, I started to consider picking heroes to better match my team. No mage/AoE present? Pick Anivia. Beefy heroes and DPS, but no chasers? Akali. No tanks? I mistook Blitz and Amumu for tanking, failed that role a bit with Cho'Gath (even though I like him) before settling with Rammus. Still need some practice with powerball, but I have managed to save our carry from time to time. Still not so good with initiating, but that is comes with more practice/better game sense.

So, I have shunned the typical DPS/carry champions because I usually find those roles/champions boring like Yi, Ashe and Sivir, and I also believe I suck as a carry. Unfortunately the last couple of games people are not picking those roles as often as before, and now I am feeling forced to pick them myself. I considered Tristana or Twisted Fate, but now the new hero Caitlyn is out, which looks like a real fun champion. What should this noob try first? Having fun is more important than playing the top-top tier champion, but I would also like to avoid low-tier champions if possible.


I suggest you try out Tristana first since you can get her for free through the facebook thingy, even if you don't want have facebook she's only 450 IP and free like every week. Kog'Maw should be free next week if I recall correctly, I had a alot of fun with him last time he was free. Anyways I suggest you try out the free carries and the cheap ones first it's hard to guess which champions you would find fun so just try them out as you go. Also don't worry too much about tier lists.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 04 2011 11:12 GMT
#3357
^ Trist is 1k
Ashe and Sivir are both wrecking if played well too, both cost 450 IP
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 04 2011 11:40 GMT
#3358
How long's the server going to be down for?
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#3359
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=427085
ETA: from 1:30AM until 10AM PST.

Now just need to google PST because it's too hard for riot to use GMT +/- ... Or they assume lol players can't add/substract
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
January 04 2011 12:05 GMT
#3360
Caitlyn doesn't look like she deals much damage. That's the main point that worries me. She has plenty of range and a wonky escape blink, so they may have toned down her damage a bunch to make up for that.
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