EPTOn the one hand most people haven't learned any of the counters, but on the other hand people are still learning how to play Samuro, and EVERY talent choice has a really high win rate so far.
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On the one hand most people haven't learned any of the counters, but on the other hand people are still learning how to play Samuro, and EVERY talent choice has a really high win rate so far. | ||
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Leolio
France633 Posts
This hero just never dies, it's annoying. That "unbreakable stealth" for 1 second when you flee is damn powerful. Both Samuro ended with insanely low damage, very few kills, but almost no death too. They were a bit too conservative I guess. Also, Brawl is the perfect alternative to the "new hero patch day 1 LAG". Had I played in HL today, I'd be whining about how I got robbed by server lag and it how was unplayable. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Well maybe it can be fun if people have brains, going in 2v5 i saw for example - probably low mmr brains. Felt kinda low while playing hero league as well so brawl might not be bad actually. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On October 19 2016 23:58 Immersion_ wrote: Yeah it was fun although I don't see myself playing more than the quest each week - certainly not this one anyway. Might be tempted with a team of friends I suppose. It's always more fun with friends <3 | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Again, i got reminded about this thing called waveclear People dont care or think about it, first two picks are bad waveclear, the rest of the team picks bad waveclear and on maps like blackheart bay - its an "auto" lose pretty much. That spidermap as well and such. Many maps that went out of rotation last time are now back. But its not the maps fault intitself.. But still. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
The random factor is even higher than QM and don't expect your teammates to look at what options your team has as far as picks go. I take a quick look at the player who gets the same group of heroes as I do and try to avoid cases where damage is too low, frontline is missing or damage output is too low. Some heroes dominate, such as those without mana, high sustain (Tassadar is quite strong) or those with good self-heal/escapes. I've seen Butcher dominate as his counters will often be missing. Gul'Dan is strong as well, never having to go back for mana or health as you can just leech the Punishers for health. Even Tracer worked quite well for me here which surprised me a bit as she has zero sustain but we did have a healer and the wells recharge quite fast. I also noticed players aren't paying attention to the point counter on top. It was 98 vs 98 and we had a Thrall diving our side. He should have died and given us the 2-0, instead a 1 health Lunara on our side decided to attack him. He threw lightning in her face and it went 1-1 into a 1-2 loss. Also had an Auriel who managed a grand total of 2k healing when she had a Butcher to support. That is an advanced level of fail. Also had a 10x Illidan match that was surprisingly fun. For some reason, everyone but me and 1 teammate went Metamorphosis. Why? It provides no bonuses any more other than a temporary health boost, which is relatively minor given the level the heroes are set at. The Hunt instead provides a decent stun and can secure kills as well as bring you back into the center faster. Sadly, also had a few cases where we sorely lacked damage or CC and just got stomped. It's fun, but very random. I do hope they add a mutator where you can pick talents. Some heroes live by their talents and are a lot weaker without them. | ||
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Leolio
France633 Posts
Got an all-Gul dan game, which made me realized I never ever played him in 4k games. That was a long, slow brawl, and above all really silly and fun. I think melee assassins are the kind here, with the usual KT / Jaina. The 2 brawls where I had Illidan and Thrall were no games. About Illidan Metamorphosis, you gain 1 escape, Health boost and a tiny AOE damage. Also, it zones people as they tend to walk away from the huge demonic rune on the ground. I didn't have the balls to go the Hunt, but I don't regret my choice, I think we won 100 to 40 or something like that. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
To be honest, going for the Hunt makes more sense in actual game on some of the new maps or against certain heroes with global mobility, in a 5v5 brawl? Meta all the way. That 1 second of invulnerability + blink + increased health pool is Illidan that didn't die, Hunt has very limited use in 5v5 fights and if you just use it to engage a backline hero you will be in trouble more likely than not, even if you manage to get the kill. Also don't know how Butcher dominates the brawl, every time I've seen one he was completely useless. All of the Butcher's power comes from trait and talents, and he gets neither in brawl. He can't even stack trait with hero kills because he is losing more with death than he is gaining with a kill. There is no cleanse, so having Lamb to the Slaughter is something, but he is liability more often than not from my experience. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
Normally I go Meta myself and take the upgrade at level 20 but just on its own Meta doesn't feel very special. I suppose it does give an escape but then with a 120 second cooldown you can't really use it to start a fight as (even with Illidan's cooldown reduction) it won't be off cooldown by the time you need it as an escape. Next time I'll give it a try though and see how it measures up. The Butchers I have been up against all had good supports (Auriel or Morales) and went Lamb. Very little that could be done to save whoever got hooked by it. Butcher couldn't touch my Tracer though, as I would just Recall whenever he tried to charge me. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Illidan is interesting at low level prolly Meta best, as no one dodges it. But at high level you get chain stunned by hunt and Meta is mostly the only way to dodge the chain. Someone on our team organized us and pinged the hunt chain target. Was hillarious. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
If they dont wanna go away from void prism completely then maybe tweak it so it has less effect and much less cooldown. Zeratul is more fun to play than samuro imo. But zeratul so niche. | ||
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ThomasjServo
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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