The focused attack nerf affecting sonya was justified, it would be a mini nerf only anyway. focused attack in general was too good on most heroes though.

The slam nerf on sonya in combination with the focused attack nerf is silly though and might make her a bit too weak.

Ej_

47656 Posts

February 01 2016 22:10 GMT

#404

On February 02 2016 06:57 Markwerf wrote:

Show nested quote +

The focused attack nerf affecting sonya was justified, it would be a mini nerf only anyway. focused attack in general was too good on most heroes though.

? Only ones that had it as a viable talent were Raynor and Sonya. Maybe Tyrande.

I wonder if the nerf means we can get Focused Attack back on Zeratul though.

MotherFox

United States1529 Posts

February 02 2016 00:23 GMT

#405

nah they'll never give a generic talent back once they've taken it away.

Aceace

Turkey1305 Posts

February 02 2016 01:58 GMT

#406

On February 02 2016 04:32 Thezzy wrote:
I did try out the AA build but on 4 I usually went vampiric since you do so much AA dmg. I figured getting 75% on just one AA from Tychus wasn't worth it but I might have to revisit that now. Since we're talking AA build anyway... would it then be worth it to get the movement speed talent on 16 when the minigun is wound up? Would that allow you to use his AA while chasing? Obviously you give up Stoneskin which hurts but if one is going AA anyway...

Even with %15 ms boost Tychus loses some dmg. But when you get also stim ms, damage loss is negligible. If they don't have a nova or zeratul i go for ms. Otherwise i had to go for Stoneskin.

On February 02 2016 04:37 MotherFox wrote:
Note that it is possible to stutterstep with tychus. It's just that it is difficult to stutterstep.

Also, Focused attack's value is in how bursty it is: old-Focus Attack Zeratul, current Sonya, and current Raynor all enjoy that when you move into attack you do a significant amount of damage on that first hit. Tychus loses a lot by having to have sustained focus fire to enjoy the talent fully.

I agree about that any other hero but Tychus. As i said before FA gives more then 1 AA bonus to him. It really increases his damage. Still i don't think Tychus with AA or Overkill competetive enough to play in ladder. But in QM (Morales+Rehgar+Tychus+2 front guys) its a whole different story.

Btw in theory yes you can stutter step with him. But in practice you can't

6.8 aps (no buffs) means you should stutter step every 0.1 seconds. heheheh...

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

February 08 2016 14:02 GMT

#407

Get your Gathering Power here, bad vikings to abound.

NKB

United Kingdom608 Posts

February 08 2016 15:47 GMT

#408

Time to finally try Vikings in a game, been waiting what feels like forever for them to be free to play

Valiver

Caldeum1977 Posts

February 08 2016 16:35 GMT

#409

Vikings are going to get rekt this rotation. Kael'thas, Zeratul on free week and everyone is still playing Li-Ming.

Thezzy

Netherlands2117 Posts

February 08 2016 18:48 GMT

#410

Oi. Free week KT and Zeratul.
In before KTs that think they can frontline and Zeratuls that dive solo expecting to blow everyone up just like that.
With a bit of luck the KTs and Zeratuls will blow each other up to balance it back out.

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

February 08 2016 18:50 GMT

#411

On February 09 2016 03:48 Thezzy wrote:
Oi. Free week KT and Zeratul.
In before KTs that think they can frontline and Zeratuls that dive solo expecting to blow everyone up just like that.
With a bit of luck the KTs and Zeratuls will blow each other up to balance it back out.

Not before TLV spread chainbombs everywhere.

Thezzy

Netherlands2117 Posts

February 08 2016 18:57 GMT

#412

On February 09 2016 03:50 ThomasjServo wrote:

Show nested quote +

Not before TLV spread chainbombs everywhere.

Assuming the KT gets Chain Bomb.
On a more serious note, I have actually tried out Pyromaniac on 13 and if you get two Living Bombs on different targets you can just cycle all of your spells constantly. Pretty insane damage you can put out with that. Mana Tap on 4 is needed though to ensure you're always on full mana. Still, since I've never seen anything other than Chain Bomb in the meta/pro games, I'll trust that Chain Bomb is still way better, if less fun.

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

February 08 2016 19:42 GMT

#413

On February 09 2016 03:57 Thezzy wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yeah, I just don't see it as being that big of a leap to assume chain bombs, I have started to see some more experimentation with other KT builds in games I've played but it is mostly Pyroblast or Gathering Power on 4 as the variations.

MotherFox

United States1529 Posts

February 08 2016 19:53 GMT

#414

On February 09 2016 03:57 Thezzy wrote:

Show nested quote +

I've played around with this build, and the issue really is mana dependence even if you get mana tap. Any build on pretty much any hero which requires lane minions nearby to stay in teamfights is suspect IMO, since real battles don't always take place near minions.

Put another way, you get marginal (5% or so) more damage than chain bomb builds, but get this huge dependence issue on minion waves to fill up your mana pool.

MotherFox

United States1529 Posts

February 08 2016 19:54 GMT

#415

That being said, I probably WILL bust out my gatheringpower cleave zeratul build just in honor of viking free week.

Larkin

United Kingdom7161 Posts

February 08 2016 20:04 GMT

#416

Christ, TLV freeweek with KT and Zera... that's just so cruel

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

February 08 2016 20:09 GMT

#417

On February 09 2016 05:04 Larkin wrote:
Christ, TLV freeweek with KT and Zera... that's just so cruel

The team that dictates the hero rotation just doubled down and said, "If Reddit wants to bitch about something, we'll give them something to bitch about."