On January 25 2016 23:47 SC2Toastie wrote: Just purchased TLV and having a blast. Its really hard though on QM cus against some comps (Nova!!!!!!!!!) or Maps they suck T_T
I got them to 9 and I've not yet taken them out into QM even XD. I love them, but I'm of the opinion if I'm not able to keep em alive against AI adept AI, I wouldn't enjoy them in QM just yet.
As a substitute for annoying specialists, I've been playing Murky in QM all the time.
What. Lv 9 on vs AI experience gains? You must have a lot of time on your hands......
Though I feel like vs QM its easier. I do a better job of predicting human behavior over the bots :p
I'm not saying its logical, but I use them as a catch all for any quests they would satisfy, or for warm up games against AI before playing with a buddy. I just feel like I'd be doing a disservice to those who queue with me /shrug. I'll get over my fear one of these days. Stim Pack and having a friend helps too.
On January 25 2016 23:47 SC2Toastie wrote: Just purchased TLV and having a blast. Its really hard though on QM cus against some comps (Nova!!!!!!!!!) or Maps they suck T_T
I got them to 9 and I've not yet taken them out into QM even XD. I love them, but I'm of the opinion if I'm not able to keep em alive against AI adept AI, I wouldn't enjoy them in QM just yet.
As a substitute for annoying specialists, I've been playing Murky in QM all the time.
What. Lv 9 on vs AI experience gains? You must have a lot of time on your hands......
Though I feel like vs QM its easier. I do a better job of predicting human behavior over the bots :p
I'm not saying its logical, but I use them as a catch all for any quests they would satisfy, or for warm up games against AI before playing with a buddy. I just feel like I'd be doing a disservice to those who queue with me /shrug. I'll get over my fear one of these days. Stim Pack and having a friend helps too.
They only qualify for Spec or Win/Play X games though.... :o?
Oh well, to each their own. My QM MMR is messed up anyways so I feel no shame playing a hero in QM after trying him out vs AI once or twice :-)
On January 25 2016 23:47 SC2Toastie wrote: Just purchased TLV and having a blast. Its really hard though on QM cus against some comps (Nova!!!!!!!!!) or Maps they suck T_T
I got them to 9 and I've not yet taken them out into QM even XD. I love them, but I'm of the opinion if I'm not able to keep em alive against AI adept AI, I wouldn't enjoy them in QM just yet.
As a substitute for annoying specialists, I've been playing Murky in QM all the time.
What. Lv 9 on vs AI experience gains? You must have a lot of time on your hands......
Though I feel like vs QM its easier. I do a better job of predicting human behavior over the bots :p
I'm not saying its logical, but I use them as a catch all for any quests they would satisfy, or for warm up games against AI before playing with a buddy. I just feel like I'd be doing a disservice to those who queue with me /shrug. I'll get over my fear one of these days. Stim Pack and having a friend helps too.
They only qualify for Spec or Win/Play X games though.... :o?
Oh well, to each their own. My QM MMR is messed up anyways so I feel no shame playing a hero in QM after trying him out vs AI once or twice :-)
It is 90% me being an anxious bastard. I don't play QM or HL solo as it is, even when I do I tend to just mute the team most of the time.
On January 25 2016 23:47 SC2Toastie wrote: Just purchased TLV and having a blast. Its really hard though on QM cus against some comps (Nova!!!!!!!!!) or Maps they suck T_T
I got them to 9 and I've not yet taken them out into QM even XD. I love them, but I'm of the opinion if I'm not able to keep em alive against AI adept AI, I wouldn't enjoy them in QM just yet.
As a substitute for annoying specialists, I've been playing Murky in QM all the time.
What. Lv 9 on vs AI experience gains? You must have a lot of time on your hands......
Though I feel like vs QM its easier. I do a better job of predicting human behavior over the bots :p
I'm not saying its logical, but I use them as a catch all for any quests they would satisfy, or for warm up games against AI before playing with a buddy. I just feel like I'd be doing a disservice to those who queue with me /shrug. I'll get over my fear one of these days. Stim Pack and having a friend helps too.
They only qualify for Spec or Win/Play X games though.... :o?
Oh well, to each their own. My QM MMR is messed up anyways so I feel no shame playing a hero in QM after trying him out vs AI once or twice :-)
It is 90% me being an anxious bastard. I don't play QM or HL solo as it is, even when I do I tend to just mute the team most of the time.
On January 25 2016 23:47 SC2Toastie wrote: Just purchased TLV and having a blast. Its really hard though on QM cus against some comps (Nova!!!!!!!!!) or Maps they suck T_T
I got them to 9 and I've not yet taken them out into QM even XD. I love them, but I'm of the opinion if I'm not able to keep em alive against AI adept AI, I wouldn't enjoy them in QM just yet.
As a substitute for annoying specialists, I've been playing Murky in QM all the time.
What. Lv 9 on vs AI experience gains? You must have a lot of time on your hands......
Though I feel like vs QM its easier. I do a better job of predicting human behavior over the bots :p
I'm not saying its logical, but I use them as a catch all for any quests they would satisfy, or for warm up games against AI before playing with a buddy. I just feel like I'd be doing a disservice to those who queue with me /shrug. I'll get over my fear one of these days. Stim Pack and having a friend helps too.
They only qualify for Spec or Win/Play X games though.... :o?
Oh well, to each their own. My QM MMR is messed up anyways so I feel no shame playing a hero in QM after trying him out vs AI once or twice :-)
It is 90% me being an anxious bastard. I don't play QM or HL solo as it is, even when I do I tend to just mute the team most of the time.
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I'm more of a one or two ping kind of guy. I just don't generally care a great deal for people getting uppity about things not going their way, or externalizing their frustration.
hopefully Abathur and Greymayne will get free weeks this month so I can get them to lvl 5 and have every hero at lvl 5 (except Li Ming)... but it's been so long since Aba free week I don't hold out much hope
I'm not excited about Tychus being free this week. There are a few Tychus savants I've played with, but on the whole it is mining drills and vampiric assualts for days. So I hope I play against more Tychus than I play with.
On February 02 2016 02:46 ThomasjServo wrote: I'm not excited about Tychus being free this week. There are a few Tychus savants I've played with, but on the whole it is mining drills and vampiric assualts for days. So I hope I play against more Tychus than I play with.
I play Tychus from time to time (usually with a friend who plays Morales for the Stim + Odin) and the Laser Drill isn't bad. Yeah at lvl 10 it isn't great, but with the level 20 talent that thing becomes monstrous. Not only can it shoot a target from half the screen away but the damage ramps up. It also allows Tychus to do his regular thing in the meantime, whereas with Odin he has to stun himself first and then just play with the Odin. Also note that the Laser can block a path which is a niche use but still useful at times.
I've also been trying out (just to see if it could work) an AA build with Morales for the stim drone. You do insane amounts of damage, but you have to stand still to use it, so the usefulness is very limited, but any tank that walks up to you will melt. So hard. Fun build but not very effective. Does melt buildings though.
The other thing I've been itching to try is to go for the grenade talents on 4 and 7 to provide a powerful poke (561 area dmg at lvl 20) that is effectively impossible to deny or dodge. It also does about 1400 damage to buildings for every single grenade (at lvl 20). I think you could seriously poke a Keep to death with that.
The final thing I've learned is that Tychus completely counters Murky. Hard. Your high AA speed means pufferfish is useless and the combination of Overkill + Grenade will kill a Murky every time. If he bubbles, Overkill doesn't stop so you can just keep him in range and finish him off as soon as it expires. Usually it's best to start with Overkill to force out a bubble and then kill him with a grenade as soon it ends.
It's just a shame his E is so crappy, that stunning out his Q effectively denies him hard and that he doesn't have too much in the form of real sustain or burst that would allow him to see some more regular pro play. And his Odin should give him Fortified/Resistant (25% less dmg) for the duration. It's a giant armored robot where he has to self-stun to get into it. It should provide some resistance at least.
Also, his quotes/speeches are the best. Ohhh! Hehehe, that tickles!
I've suggested tychus to playing partners a few times in HL in the last few months. In my eyes his features are decent damage, wombo potential with odin, and maybe most importantly a bit of tankiness in an assassin. When I suggest him, it's usually when I have doubts that my partner will be able to stay alive very long(nova), and I want him to get first aid/stoneskin to avoid the burstdown.
Even given all that, though, we're talking like...maybe 2 or 3 games over three months out of hundreds that I play per month.
I've been playing a shit ton of Murky of late, and not that I'm in the top tiers of things, but I'm never really concerned about a Tychus. I don't think the situation you described is terribly unique to him, which is my biggest issue with him. There is almost always someone better suited for the job besides him.
The AA build is interesting, especially when his trait is fully ramped though. That'd stack on the base of .67 attack speed he starts with up to 500% adding the 75% from stim drone right? That would put his attack speed over 3 or maybe even 4 per second if he stays alive if my math is right.
I just have a major case of confirmation bias regarding the hero, I saw him run on OGN less than 4 months ago to what effect I forget though. With the right support I totally see it,
On February 02 2016 03:15 Thezzy wrote: I've also been trying out (just to see if it could work) an AA build with Morales for the stim drone.
If you have a Morales friend which will only protect you go for Focused Attack. (Don't laugh. Let me explain) I explained it already but i guess i have to write it again.
Focused attack does NOT increase your next AA by %75. Actually it places a buff on your hero which will expire after 0.2 seconds after your next attack. Tychus with fully charged minigun + Nexus Frenzy manages to deal 1 more bonus attack. (btw Tychus has highest AA damage in the game.) If you have a friend which stims you Tychus manages get 9.5 (if im not mistaken) aps per second. I'm not that good at maths but if someone calculate how much damage increase with FA + stim i would be a happy man. I saw a charged Diablo died in seconds with that combo (Problem solver deals a lot of damage too)
Tychus with heavy AA focus doesn't feel like a hero. It feels like lightning tower from W3. If you move you lose thousands of damage. (No stutter step ) but if you stay you hit like a truck. So basically you stay a little away from combat, when the teamfight happens you DON'T chase enemy squishies. You target tankiest and closest hero and kill him in seconds
I did try out the AA build but on 4 I usually went vampiric since you do so much AA dmg. I figured getting 75% on just one AA from Tychus wasn't worth it but I might have to revisit that now. Since we're talking AA build anyway... would it then be worth it to get the movement speed talent on 16 when the minigun is wound up? Would that allow you to use his AA while chasing? Obviously you give up Stoneskin which hurts but if one is going AA anyway...
Note that it is possible to stutterstep with tychus. It's just that it is difficult to stutterstep.
Also, Focused attack's value is in how bursty it is: old-Focus Attack Zeratul, current Sonya, and current Raynor all enjoy that when you move into attack you do a significant amount of damage on that first hit. Tychus loses a lot by having to have sustained focus fire to enjoy the talent fully.
Do you think that making an adjustment to how Tychus works in that respect would help him out as a buff? I agree with Thezzy in that his scoot on E is just kind of meh, and could do with replacing or maybe adding one stack of his trait after using it a certain je ne sais quoi.
I'd prefer a buff that doesn't involve tying focused attack to Tychus being viable. If anything, he's already too reliant on generic talents as-is. (heal, stoneskin)
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