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On March 18 2015 06:30 Loxone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 06:53 xDaunt wrote:
I think a lot of heroes have a variety of viable options in their talent trees. Zeratul, Stitches, Abathur and most of the supports immediately come to mind. Other heroes, like Raynor and Tyrael, do not. In short, there's nothing wrong with the system. Blizzard just needs to put more thought into how it's applied vis a vis certain (maybe most) heroes. And Blizzard is aware of this problem. They've already said that Tyrael is on deck for an overhaul. The problem being their last two overhauls (Raynor and Chen) haven't done anything to improve the playability of those characters and aren't doing anything to put our faith in the current system. I'm not saying they can't utilize the talent system to create interesting characters (Jaina and Thrall were well done) but when you consider what the reworks have done to Abathur, Chen, and Raynor I'm afraid to see them rework Tyrael or Diablo.
The overhaul of Li Li turned out ok to be honest. She has quite a few decent talents to choose from, can go for healing or a damage build and only has a few useless talents. Her least picked talent is Bolt of the Storm, that's not exactly a terrible talent :p . Other then that, only Pro Toss, Lingering Blind, Elusive Feet and Safety Sprint seem week, maybe Water Dragon, Gale Force and Storm Shield could use a buff as well. Even including all of those that still leaves 19/27 decent talents which isn't too bad.
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On March 18 2015 17:56 Gotuso wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 06:30 Loxone wrote:On March 10 2015 06:53 xDaunt wrote:
I think a lot of heroes have a variety of viable options in their talent trees. Zeratul, Stitches, Abathur and most of the supports immediately come to mind. Other heroes, like Raynor and Tyrael, do not. In short, there's nothing wrong with the system. Blizzard just needs to put more thought into how it's applied vis a vis certain (maybe most) heroes. And Blizzard is aware of this problem. They've already said that Tyrael is on deck for an overhaul. The problem being their last two overhauls (Raynor and Chen) haven't done anything to improve the playability of those characters and aren't doing anything to put our faith in the current system. I'm not saying they can't utilize the talent system to create interesting characters (Jaina and Thrall were well done) but when you consider what the reworks have done to Abathur, Chen, and Raynor I'm afraid to see them rework Tyrael or Diablo. The overhaul of Li Li turned out ok to be honest. She has quite a few decent talents to choose from, can go for healing or a damage build and only has a few useless talents. Her least picked talent is Bolt of the Storm, that's not exactly a terrible talent :p . Other then that, only Pro Toss, Lingering Blind, Elusive Feet and Safety Sprint seem week, maybe Water Dragon, Gale Force and Storm Shield could use a buff as well. Even including all of those that still leaves 19/27 decent talents which isn't too bad.
Her kit is dearly uninspired. I can't think of a less interactive hero, and her rework actually made that worse by limiting dragon talents and making them autoturrets. I just don't get it.
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On March 20 2015 23:27 Liquid`Oxygg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 17:56 Gotuso wrote:On March 18 2015 06:30 Loxone wrote:On March 10 2015 06:53 xDaunt wrote:
I think a lot of heroes have a variety of viable options in their talent trees. Zeratul, Stitches, Abathur and most of the supports immediately come to mind. Other heroes, like Raynor and Tyrael, do not. In short, there's nothing wrong with the system. Blizzard just needs to put more thought into how it's applied vis a vis certain (maybe most) heroes. And Blizzard is aware of this problem. They've already said that Tyrael is on deck for an overhaul. The problem being their last two overhauls (Raynor and Chen) haven't done anything to improve the playability of those characters and aren't doing anything to put our faith in the current system. I'm not saying they can't utilize the talent system to create interesting characters (Jaina and Thrall were well done) but when you consider what the reworks have done to Abathur, Chen, and Raynor I'm afraid to see them rework Tyrael or Diablo. The overhaul of Li Li turned out ok to be honest. She has quite a few decent talents to choose from, can go for healing or a damage build and only has a few useless talents. Her least picked talent is Bolt of the Storm, that's not exactly a terrible talent :p . Other then that, only Pro Toss, Lingering Blind, Elusive Feet and Safety Sprint seem week, maybe Water Dragon, Gale Force and Storm Shield could use a buff as well. Even including all of those that still leaves 19/27 decent talents which isn't too bad. Her kit is dearly uninspired. I can't think of a less interactive hero, and her rework actually made that worse by limiting dragon talents and making them autoturrets. I just don't get it.
Now to be honest I never played her (or the game itself) before she got overhauled. So I have 0 reference to what she was like before. All I know is that she has a lot of viable/semi viable options/paths in terms of talents right now. Unlike heroes as Nazeebo or Zagara where it always feels like I'm taking the same talents every game.
That said, yes she does have the easiest kit to play with in the game. But I still think she's fun, unlike Raynor who bores me to no end.
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On March 23 2015 21:27 Gotuso wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 23:27 Liquid`Oxygg wrote:On March 18 2015 17:56 Gotuso wrote:On March 18 2015 06:30 Loxone wrote:On March 10 2015 06:53 xDaunt wrote:
I think a lot of heroes have a variety of viable options in their talent trees. Zeratul, Stitches, Abathur and most of the supports immediately come to mind. Other heroes, like Raynor and Tyrael, do not. In short, there's nothing wrong with the system. Blizzard just needs to put more thought into how it's applied vis a vis certain (maybe most) heroes. And Blizzard is aware of this problem. They've already said that Tyrael is on deck for an overhaul. The problem being their last two overhauls (Raynor and Chen) haven't done anything to improve the playability of those characters and aren't doing anything to put our faith in the current system. I'm not saying they can't utilize the talent system to create interesting characters (Jaina and Thrall were well done) but when you consider what the reworks have done to Abathur, Chen, and Raynor I'm afraid to see them rework Tyrael or Diablo. The overhaul of Li Li turned out ok to be honest. She has quite a few decent talents to choose from, can go for healing or a damage build and only has a few useless talents. Her least picked talent is Bolt of the Storm, that's not exactly a terrible talent :p . Other then that, only Pro Toss, Lingering Blind, Elusive Feet and Safety Sprint seem week, maybe Water Dragon, Gale Force and Storm Shield could use a buff as well. Even including all of those that still leaves 19/27 decent talents which isn't too bad. Her kit is dearly uninspired. I can't think of a less interactive hero, and her rework actually made that worse by limiting dragon talents and making them autoturrets. I just don't get it. Now to be honest I never played her (or the game itself) before she got overhauled. So I have 0 reference to what she was like before. All I know is that she has a lot of viable/semi viable options/paths in terms of talents right now. Unlike heroes as Nazeebo or Zagara where it always feels like I'm taking the same talents every game. That said, yes she does have the easiest kit to play with in the game. But I still think she's fun, unlike Raynor who bores me to no end.
Lili isn't really that good. She only shines as a healbot against bad players and poorly composed teams (ie teams that don't take enough stuns). Once you interrupt her ultimate, she doesn't do much other than run around at relatively high speed and be generally difficult to kill due to her cc reduction talents.
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Since a lot of people really suck at the game and team comps generally aren't that thought out, she is a beast in yoloQ. (at least in my ranks)
The thing about the "autoturret" was changed in the same patch as they changed raynor's banshees. (and kerrigans ultra methinks). so it's not about making her "easier" but to change/remove all talents that require you to attack an target for something to happen.
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On March 24 2015 00:55 Hryul wrote:
Since a lot of people really suck at the game and team comps generally aren't that thought out, she is a beast in yoloQ. (at least in my ranks)
The thing about the "autoturret" was changed in the same patch as they changed raynor's banshees. (and kerrigans ultra methinks). so it's not about making her "easier" but to change/remove all talents that require you to attack an target for something to happen.
She's really a good support for new players because she is so mindless to play. Her heals auto-target the most injured ally, and she is capable of crapping out a ton of healing if left to her own devices. It doesn't really get much easier than that. Her drawback, however, is her limited utility. Most critically, she has no CC unless you take water dragon. Even then, she doesn't have any hard CC, which means that picking Lili forces other team players to take heroes with hard CC.
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