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Mexico2170 Posts
On March 15 2014 12:39 killerdog wrote:
I'm also a little confused as to exactly how players are rewarded for kills etc, something about kill rewards being split among the team? Is it possible for one player who is doing well to become powerful enough to carry the team? (As in make good plays at the beginning to snowball themselves into a situation where they can win the game mostly by themselves.)
Also how important are things like levels/items/whatever you get rewarded with in game for getting ahead. Can you get situation in LoL/Dota where one player (or team) is far enough ahead that they can start 1v2'ing opponents and winning, or will 2-3 coordinated players always be able to beat a lone player, even if he's really far ahead.
Finally, given how slow it looks just from watching, how much room is there for better players to outplay people? Would a more skilled player be able to (for example) go into a 1v2, kill one guy and then escape again, by outplaying? (dodging skills, baiting cooldowns etc) without the two players just totally derping? I'm curious because most of these kind of out-play situations in other games revolve around quickly catching people by surprise after they make a tiny mistake, and abusing that to get an advantage before they can react. But with how slow Heroes looks, I'd imagine those kind of plays would be a lot harder to make.
(And maybe we can talk about the actual game rather then just money zzz)
Well, you don't have individual exp, you have team exp, so all the members in your team lvl up at the same time so its impossible for one person to be super powerful and win the game by himself (well, unless he is really good, and thhat takes me to your other question:
Yes, it does have some skill involved, so you can outplay people. Also having different abilities (every hero has 2 ultimates for example but you can only chose one, but you can change it the next game) gives you more strategy.
I'm not sure about your first question
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On March 15 2014 16:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
None of those looked terribly relevant compared to the power of sticking as 5. Pubtraining etc.
Have you even looked at the gameplay?
Grabbing Merc camps and winning the map objective win games a lot better than 5-man pushes. Especially since free and unlimited base TPs means you can split up to grab map points, and still 5-man to defend bases.
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LoL is not pay to win at all.
You only ever need to master one or two team role and have the runes and some champions in each respective role.
My friend got to diamond V and while he has most of Champions, he only ever uses three or four.
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Yeah. The three or four strongest.
Which have this magical tendency of being newer releases
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I randomly got into alpha so played a bunch of games today up until level 9. It's fun but I worry about the depth to hold one's long term interest and I don't trust that actual depth would be there. For example, when I first got into Hearthstone, I played a ton of it since it was exciting and unsolved. Now I rarely play the game as I know all of the best moves for any given turn without thinking which just makes it super repetitive. Heroes of the Storm seems doesn't seem to offer enough options on its gameplay for it to not be essentially solved over time imo.
Of course, with an asking price of free, I'll play until I reach that point and I do find it highly enjoyable at the moment. Beyond the above, the only other main negative is that exclusivity means I have no one to play with. I feel that the game is better if one has real-time communication with at least one other person to coordinate camps / objectives with as often I feel I can't influence the game when my team-mates choose to ignore them. I may burn out facing too many coordinated premade groups and could see myself then putting off more playing until my younger brother gets access. Or maybe someone can make a looking for teammates thread for the alpha?
I do also find that the game can feel a bit snowball-y. I can't remember a time my team has made a comeback or that the other team ended up doing so. This may just be because the teams aren't generally evenly matched yet or perhaps that we are all playing an inefficient style where playing correctly will allow for such comebacks to occur. Has anyone seen a significant comeback in a game thus far?
My 2 cent quick opinions on what is, at its core, a quite fun casual game.
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I'm trying to imagine what a high skill game would look like. Objective control is super important as people have said. Since towers have limited ammo, having buff minions and mercs constantly pushing lanes is more critical than ever.
Short review: fun, quick games with amazing art. Also concerned about long term appeal in terms of competition but I can definitely see myself coming back to it to play with friends or solo for a quick game.
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On March 15 2014 17:54 Shaella wrote:
Yeah. The three or four strongest.
Which have this magical tendency of being newer releases
Just because they are strong at release doesn't make them the three or four strongest in the long term
look at the tournament picks, some of the oldest champions like jax and fiddle stick are popular.
There is a guide about getting to diamond 1 with only nidalee etc.
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On March 15 2014 17:54 Shaella wrote:
Yeah. The three or four strongest.
Which have this magical tendency of being newer releases
Funny, I'm able to buy every new champ on release without buying anything. I own 45/113 champs without paying a dime on them. Only thing I've bought is skins.
By the time you're able to play ranked, you'll have enough IP to buy whatever the hell you want too. You can't even play ranked without OWNING 15 champions.
There is no p2w in LoL whatsoever.
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On March 15 2014 18:47 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 17:54 Shaella wrote:
Yeah. The three or four strongest.
Which have this magical tendency of being newer releases Just because they are strong at release doesn't make them the three or four strongest in the long term look at the tournament picks, some of the oldest champions like jax and fiddle stick are popular. There is a guide about getting to diamond 1 with only nidalee etc.
but they make sure to give almost every new champ that period of must pickness at some point
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
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I have been watching the game a little this morning. I have just seen a game which was a complete swipe. Yet, at the end the winning team hardly had an advantage. There als arnt many things that allow you to gain advantage through skill (like last hitting for example).
These things make a little worried that its a bit of a Quidditch game. A player/team can do all the amazing things they want, but it doesnt really matter. The team that catches the snitch will win either way.
Am I overly worried?
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I would probably try out this game for a few rounds when it is out.
But this is probably a no-go for me.
The business model for HotS is terrible.
500 gold per game? and there are are heroes that cost up to 10k gold?
Good luck grinding.
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On March 15 2014 20:42 FakeDeath wrote:
I would probably try out this game for a few rounds when it is out.
But this is probably a no-go for me.
The business model for HotS is terrible.
500 gold per game? and there are are heroes that cost up to 10k gold?
Good luck grinding.
500 gold per level, not game. Depends on the EXP distribution.
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On March 15 2014 08:35 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 08:23 Shaella wrote:On March 15 2014 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 15 2014 07:50 dUTtrOACh wrote:On March 15 2014 07:18 MyrMindservant wrote:
Some of the discussions in this thread are really silly and it made me want to remind people one thing.
Some people really don't understand that grinding to unlock some options (heroes, skills, runes, etc) in a multiplayer game is not any more fair than having to buy those options.
Your time is very valuable, you can make money and spend them, or you can receive money as a gift, or you can live in a rich family, or something. But you can only have so much time, humans are not immortal. In general, without going into details and comparing specific values, time is more valuable than money. While I'm certain that you could put a price on someone's entire life, you're right that time is a precious thing. However, for a game dev. who seems intent on a future driven by micro-transactions, Blizzard are clever in making it much more cost efficient to Pay 2 Win, than to Play 2 Win. A week of grinding in Hearthstone is less time-efficient than working ~4 hours and spending 40 bucks on 40 decks. The entire point of micro-transaction games is that paying money will get you the stuff faster. Yeah, I guess it's so "clever" of Blizzard to do exactly what Valve started with TF2 and continued with DotA, or what Riot has been doing with LoL since the very start. And naturally someone on this board would blame Blizzard for all of it. But dota is literally all cosmetics Until Pay2Win seasonal events. At least Year Beast was boring in general, just wait until they have a fun event behind a pay wall.
only year beast was nowhere near pay to win. if you know played some games u get more than enough ingots to go around with. i didnt pay anything and i got 30 mythical bloom boxes out of the event... the rewards were pretty strong so i dont know why you are entitled to get them with no effort whatsoever... this generation is so spoiled
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These discussions always remind me of how salty my friend was because I was stomping him with Gon or Dr. Bosconovitch in Tekken 3. He didn't know how to get it and called me a cheater, good times. Only difference between '98 and games these days is that people are spoiled with wanting to have everything unlocked from the start ( SF4etc, DOTA, etc ) and if they aren't it's a crime if developers add options to unlock it with moneyz.
So I don't really care I get the pleasure of unlocking extra champions by playing and considering they actually let you unlock skin colors through quests I'm actually hyped. Tho it all depends on quality balancing of the prices and time invested by the developer and currently the $ prices feel a bit steep. No clue how long the in game currency farm is.
On a more serious note. This game looks fun to play because it's different enough from the massive surge of MOBAs that are currently in development or released. Dawngate and Strife as examples still look way too much the same DOTA/LOL/etc. I like that Blizz is actually doing something different with the genre.
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On March 15 2014 16:45 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Yes, it does have some skill involved, so you can outplay people. Also having different abilities (every hero has 2 ultimates for example but you can only chose one, but you can change it the next game) gives you more strategy.
If you dont know what heroes the enemies pick and you dont even know which skills the enemy have, i would call this having a bigger die and not strategy.
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if anyone else has alpha and wants to play pm me and we can party
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How does everyone like it?
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On March 15 2014 18:54 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 18:47 ETisME wrote:On March 15 2014 17:54 Shaella wrote:
Yeah. The three or four strongest.
Which have this magical tendency of being newer releases Just because they are strong at release doesn't make them the three or four strongest in the long term look at the tournament picks, some of the oldest champions like jax and fiddle stick are popular. There is a guide about getting to diamond 1 with only nidalee etc. but they make sure to give almost every new champ that period of must pickness at some point
which is why there is ban and pick phrase, and generally new champs are often banned.
and there are some which are basically perma banned because they are so very good and not necessary new like kassadin
oops miss the mod note.
Anyway, the viewing experience is actually not that fun.
I suppose this game is more fun to play rather than to watch
User was warned for this post
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On March 16 2014 00:19 IntoTheheart wrote:
How does everyone like it?
im only playing the free champs and having a lot of fun :D
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