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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On March 15 2015 06:17 xDaunt wrote: I'm a newb Abathur. Was just doing it for shits and giggles because I knew we had a good Illidan. hryul sad grubby fanboy. grubby got the hammer. not in a nice way.  xdaunt evil! | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 15 2015 07:14 Hryul wrote: hryul sad grubby fanboy. grubby got the hammer. not in a nice way. xdaunt evil! He didn't really have a chance that game. His team comp wasn't good, and our team was loaded with good players. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
So the lower damage would meet lower healing. And Higher damage would have to fight against stronger heal. Or use the lower teams level to determine both sides heal. But maybe thats to much rubber banding ? | ||
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TT1
Canada10095 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 15 2015 10:07 TT1 wrote: im so fucking tired of having abathurs on my team in hero league, such a waste of time Why? Abathur is good, especially if he has some like Zeratul or Illidan to symbiote. I cannot even remember the last time I lost as Zeratul with Abathur on my team. | ||
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Tosstriss
Canada334 Posts
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TT1
Canada10095 Posts
On March 15 2015 10:57 xDaunt wrote: Why? Abathur is good, especially if he has some like Zeratul or Illidan to symbiote. I cannot even remember the last time I lost as Zeratul with Abathur on my team. that depends on how competent your opponents are.. if they counter zera/illi properly aba + symbiote doesnt do much | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
On March 15 2015 11:10 Tosstriss wrote: Since when did Illidan can get out of the gorge? If he has cc reduction (lvl 20 metamorphosis) he will get out faster. Same for all other heroes that can get the generic 50% cc reduction skill or other cc reduction (sonya). | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
I've seen them pick Illidan, Sonnya, Kerrigan, ETC, + healer in a league game...I've seen them pick tank, malf, rehgar, uther, jaina in a team game. I think it will be interesting to see how the game changes over the next 6 months... | ||
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TokO
Norway577 Posts
On March 15 2015 10:57 xDaunt wrote: Why? Abathur is good, especially if he has some like Zeratul or Illidan to symbiote. I cannot even remember the last time I lost as Zeratul with Abathur on my team. Also really fun is Abathur Nova for mass clones with copy ult. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Banning a hero because it's strong isn't the reason that often. If one hero sits way above the pack then the team picking second benefits by banning it, but if top heroes are more in line the bans are more to break up combo's or disallow picks you know you are bad against or the opposing team is good with. For example illidan may get banned a fair bit he isn't neccesarily regarded as OP or that strong at all. He is just quite strong in certain combinations and that makes him a good pickup for the team picking second. The way drafting goes, the team picking second can more easily assemble combo's or pick heroes that are good in a niche because they have two picks by two first and the last pick. So the first team can not ban illidan for example but then the second team get's the option of something like illidan + tassadar, unless the first team picks illidan or tass first. But you usually don't want to do that as first team since illidan by itself can be made weak by the other team having the response option. As a result first pick team might want to ban illidan, not because they think he's OP but just because he fits the drafing strategy of the second pick team more. In general I feel picking second is a slight advantage now. The absolute first pick is not a big deal now with the heroes fairly close but having the first double pick is quite nice. And the last pick is also sweet too where you can take niche picks better, for example those like sonya that can work well as long as her counters aren't played. In general bans of the first team say little, that of the second team say a bit more but only if one hero is considered so strong they always want to deny that to the first team. Pick rates say much more, ie. how often is a hero picked if it wasn't banned. Because of bans that is hard to gauge for some heroes though because they aren't available for pick often. A hero like illidan i've seen not picked a couple times though even if it wasn't banned it just requires a team around it. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Finally grinded out enough to get Brightwing, played 1 game before going to sleep - I'm going to have a lot of fun with that character. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 16 2015 22:16 Markwerf wrote: well bannings aren't exactly a good tell of what is OP. Banning a hero because it's strong isn't the reason that often. If one hero sits way above the pack then the team picking second benefits by banning it, but if top heroes are more in line the bans are more to break up combo's or disallow picks you know you are bad against or the opposing team is good with. For example illidan may get banned a fair bit he isn't neccesarily regarded as OP or that strong at all. He is just quite strong in certain combinations and that makes him a good pickup for the team picking second. The way drafting goes, the team picking second can more easily assemble combo's or pick heroes that are good in a niche because they have two picks by two first and the last pick. So the first team can not ban illidan for example but then the second team get's the option of something like illidan + tassadar, unless the first team picks illidan or tass first. But you usually don't want to do that as first team since illidan by itself can be made weak by the other team having the response option. As a result first pick team might want to ban illidan, not because they think he's OP but just because he fits the drafing strategy of the second pick team more. In general I feel picking second is a slight advantage now. The absolute first pick is not a big deal now with the heroes fairly close but having the first double pick is quite nice. And the last pick is also sweet too where you can take niche picks better, for example those like sonya that can work well as long as her counters aren't played. In general bans of the first team say little, that of the second team say a bit more but only if one hero is considered so strong they always want to deny that to the first team. Pick rates say much more, ie. how often is a hero picked if it wasn't banned. Because of bans that is hard to gauge for some heroes though because they aren't available for pick often. A hero like illidan i've seen not picked a couple times though even if it wasn't banned it just requires a team around it. Yeah, I don't think that bans are completely indicative of what is OP. A lot of bans are made simply to disrupt known preferred team compositions or heroes. The only thing that I would conclusively say is overpowered at the moment is healing in general. Beyond that, I think Blizzard should take a good, long look at the Vikings. They are damn near impossible to kill with jump, shield, and long boat. Long boat, in particular, seems to be off cooldown way too often. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On March 16 2015 22:59 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, I don't think that bans are completely indicative of what is OP. A lot of bans are made simply to disrupt known preferred team compositions or heroes. The only thing that I would conclusively say is overpowered at the moment is healing in general. Beyond that, I think Blizzard should take a good, long look at the Vikings. They are damn near impossible to kill with jump, shield, and long boat. Long boat, in particular, seems to be off cooldown way too often. Healing is fine it's just the flavor of the month I think with some bursty heroes being down. Lost vikings I can't yet say, they feel fairly weak when I see them mostly but as a high skillcap hero it's hard to call, at least they don't feel broken yet at all so just let them keep at it. I think you were way off with thrall before as well calling new heroes OP way too quickly I feel. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 17 2015 01:16 Markwerf wrote: Healing is fine it's just the flavor of the month I think with some bursty heroes being down. Lost vikings I can't yet say, they feel fairly weak when I see them mostly but as a high skillcap hero it's hard to call, at least they don't feel broken yet at all so just let them keep at it. I think you were way off with thrall before as well calling new heroes OP way too quickly I feel. I'm not sure how you can say that healing is fine when double support comps are dominating the scene at present. And increasing burst damage isn't the answer. The current level of available burst damage is appropriate. The issue is healing. As for Vikings, I don't pay attention to what I see from them when bad players are using them. I pay attention when there's a good player at the helm. What I've seen from the good players is an astonishing level of impact on the game that is not easily countered. I'm not prepared to say conclusively that they're OP at this time. However, I do have my suspicions, which is why I said that Blizzard should take a good, long look at them. And I stand by my assessment of release Thrall. To whatever extent he was perceived as being weak was strictly a function of the state of the meta at the time. He was retarded OP and needed to be nerfed, which Blizzard did. However, I think they over-nerfed him. The only thing that needed to be changed was his passive, to reduce his sustain. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On March 16 2015 18:39 Eliezar wrote: Pro's seem largely undecided currently about exactly who is or isn't OP. Watching a lot of the ESL and I have seen Illidan, Azmodan, Hammer, ETC, Muradin, Rehgar, Uther, Valla, Tychus, Stitches, Zeratul, Nazeebo, Diablo and probably 1 or 2 others I cannot think of banned. You can tell by the strats as well that things are working on ladder/practice that get rolled in ESL and that people aren't settled on a solid meta yet. I've seen them pick Illidan, Sonnya, Kerrigan, ETC, + healer in a league game...I've seen them pick tank, malf, rehgar, uther, jaina in a team game. I think it will be interesting to see how the game changes over the next 6 months... Lol the OP right now is pretty self-spoken. 9 out of 10 games in hero league @ rank 1 goes like this: FP: Illidan 1st/2nd: Rehgar/ETC 2nd/3rd: Tyrande/Stiches 3rd/4th: Nazeebo/Valla 4th/5th: Sgt. Hammer/Uther 5th: Tassadar I'd be surprised if we'd get a different meta like ever, if they don't intend to implement a ban system in a nearby future, we're always gonna see stagnating picks continuously. Right now the top 3 is kinda illidan/Rehgar/Tyrande, but yeah it can be debatable. EDIT: @Xdaunt i personally feel that when Longboat Raid gets nerfed slightly (which is so deserved) vikings are gonna be in a very awkward spot. The main problem being that you should almost always get QWE is one thing, but looking at the other talent perks, i'd just never see why you would get them. Fail design, i love the hero(es) tho. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 17 2015 01:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: is there any mechanic in this game to reduce healing on a target enemy? No, which is one of the problems with healing in the game. Either such a mechanic needs to be added to allow for some counterplay, or Blizzard needs to reduce healing. Hell, nerfing healing will also take care of Illidan (though I still think metamorphosis needs to be changed such that it is not a get out of jail free card). | ||
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