EPTPS. Make HOTS a better place, don't take seasoned marksman on Illidan.
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
PS. Make HOTS a better place, don't take seasoned marksman on Illidan. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/TalentDetails I think Illidan is super team dependent on talent choice since he can build himself with a passable amount of sustain or he can just go super glass cannon which takes a ton more skill to play properly. I don't claim to be an expert on him by any means but he seems like a high skill cap hero and so many people do it wrong (which is supported looking at Season Marksman's win-rate as you click down the leagues lol). Also: last note on flaming. I actually don't run into it that often, usually people are too busy playing to rage it seems and it's rarely directed at me but like Tenks said it's kind of a downer watching someone else get flamed for no real reason (and let's be honest usually there's no real reason for it other than someone was sore about some random event like dying in a team fight while the healer was OOM or someone with 10% hp retreated and 'ditching' someone). Edit: How do you direct link specific hero information from hotslogs? It seems to be using ajax to do everything inline. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
Also, you are able to solo mercs camp very soon with the tanky build, putting more pressure on the enemies team quickly. Of course, if i played on a premade i would give it a go again, since i do not think it's bad or subpar, just different and requires different team compositions to perform well. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On February 03 2015 04:47 Wuster wrote: That's fair, but you realize that when complaining about increased toxicity in the game that flaming people is adding to the problem at least right? Everyone gets emotional, that's understandable, personally just writing out the rant tends to make me feel better then I just clear message and go back to playing. I will admit though, there have been a few games where I've AFK-ed out. Having a baby and family responsibilities does that to you. The few times it's happened before I always felt terrible and usually came back here to QQ about the reconnect system. Last night it happened and I wasn't even sad, was almost a rage quit even. We had a Lurkablo raging on Blackheart's after we lost the first watch tower. Then he raged about how we didn't get all the coins (4/10 from first chest spawns) and how no one knew how to play the map. In response our bottom laner started doing nothing but solo camps despite being E.T.C. and predictably taking forever, ugh. Levels were 10-8 when I died then 12-9 when my kid started crying so I just shut my computer off lol. I was extra salty because Blackheart's is a map I'm 14-2 on and feel I should never lose (can't explain it, I just feel untouchable no matter what my team comp is or what they're doing). I think they need to add the "give control" feature that WC3 dota had here for those instances. If something comes up and you absolutely have to leave, you should be able to give control of your hero to someone else, or at least share control with everyone on your team. The bots are terrible, basically an auto-lose, and the ping pseudo control system simply does not work. It's a simple enough thing to do, it mostly won't be used, but it would vastly improve things IMO. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On February 03 2015 04:58 Wuster wrote: Hmmm: https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/TalentDetails I think Illidan is super team dependent on talent choice since he can build himself with a passable amount of sustain or he can just go super glass cannon which takes a ton more skill to play properly. I don't claim to be an expert on him by any means but he seems like a high skill cap hero and so many people do it wrong (which is supported looking at Season Marksman's win-rate as you click down the leagues lol). Also: last note on flaming. I actually don't run into it that often, usually people are too busy playing to rage it seems and it's rarely directed at me but like Tenks said it's kind of a downer watching someone else get flamed for no real reason (and let's be honest usually there's no real reason for it other than someone was sore about some random event like dying in a team fight while the healer was OOM or someone with 10% hp retreated and 'ditching' someone). Edit: How do you direct link specific hero information from hotslogs? It seems to be using ajax to do everything inline. I don't think you can link to certain filters on hotslogs for talents. Hopefully they add those features to the REST url soon. And for Illidan make sure you always, ALWAYS filter by Masters league only. You'll see there isn't a whole lot of build variety to him when you do that. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Also it depends on the persons, I've had teams saying " thanks for taking the initiative" " thanks for taking the leas" after I try to man up the team and try to make it work togheter well, but I've also had people shitting on me for saying the exact same things. | ||
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sushiko
197 Posts
toxicity is just a buzzword. People are bringing it up like it's some curse that's new and devastating, but in reality I see more people using it as a shield to protect themselves from criticism, either constructive or negative. "toxicity" exists in sports, any time there's a person competing with another person, etc. There are so many easy ways to control yourself from becoming part of the problem and that's really all that needs to be done to fight it. Unfortunately, everyone wants to be the "badass" calling people scrubs/nubs like they're idra (not bashing on him, just the first pro player that came to mind that's... aggressively honest"). Stuff I was gonna write about: Age difference/maturity, more analogies to sports, effective methods of preventing flame (Riot is doing studies apparently), etc. And reddit, that site has created a culture of hivemind acceptance... they find a build there that's been upvoted 100 times! and then proceed to execute whatever strat/build as if it's the best thing ever without regards to teammates. I hate specific build guides, strat guides, etc because it doesn't really allow people to think about it. Only time I liked it was here on TL as the forums actually had meaningful discussions (and Yango, his under-the hood knowledge of dota was amazing). | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
El Nexo 1 - Acer 0 So they are still undefeated on the HCL. | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
On February 03 2015 05:50 Godwrath wrote: HCL going on Khaldor's stream. Ouski coca really likes tyrande on roaming maps. Ouiski Coca is awesome, love their setup. Currently my favorite team with 3DMAX coming second. | ||
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wishr
Russian Federation262 Posts
40 lvl, ~13 heroes, https://www.hotslogs.com/Player/Profile?PlayerID=289882 | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
On February 03 2015 07:32 wishr wrote: Anyone searching for a teammate? 40 lvl, ~13 heroes, https://www.hotslogs.com/Player/Profile?PlayerID=289882 Sent you a pm. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 03 2015 06:00 Big G wrote: Hammer banned, Zeratul first pick, Muradin and Tyrael over Arthas... the metagame is evolving Not surprised by any of this, really. I've been playing Hammer more recently, and there are a lot of really cool things that she can do. In particular, she can shut down melee heroes hard. I've argued that Zeratul is a fucking beast who doesn't get his due as a top pick for months. And I also am not surprised by Muradin and Tyrael being picked over Arthas for reasons that I've also previously discussed. Just wait for my next prediction to come true: the pro scene is going to discover uses for Thrall soon enough. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
But yes, I agree that I should not flame anyone under any circumstances. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On February 03 2015 08:01 xDaunt wrote: Not surprised by any of this, really. I've been playing Hammer more recently, and there are a lot of really cool things that she can do. In particular, she can shut down melee heroes hard. I've argued that Zeratul is a fucking beast who doesn't get his due as a top pick for months. And I also am not surprised by Muradin and Tyrael being picked over Arthas for reasons that I've also previously discussed. Just wait for my next prediction to come true: the pro scene is going to discover uses for Thrall soon enough. I've been playing more hammer recently and with the uptick in melee assassins she is really finding a nice niche. Her knock-back mines and raw range just make her an absolute nightmare to deal with for melees. I go Vampire at 4 and FA at 7 and that makes her a very, very competent dueler as well. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On February 03 2015 06:40 sushiko wrote: toxicity is just a buzzword Disagree. I've had the luxury of having grown up from the 56k, early adoption of broadband and now the "everyone has internet" phase and have gamed in all the phases. As of right now almost all competitive gaming communities are the worse I've ever seen them. I can't recall ever really being flamed when I played CS b1.6 -- and I played a metric fuckton -- but I loaded up CSGO and almost immediately am getting flamed in that game. Despite me being a complete moron in BW I don't think anyone ever flamed me there. It doesn't happen *often* in SC2 but if you don't play an "honorable macro game" you should be ready for the flaming afterwards. We are, for whatever reason, seeming to go through a phase (or perhaps it is here to stay?) where the anonimity of the internet is making for some very bad behavior when it comes to MP games. I have no doubts the people spewing absolute filth onto the screen probably aren't bad people in real life -- possibly even they overcompensate via the keyboard -- but this generation of gamers just seems to accept being an asshole as fact. And it shouldn't be. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On February 03 2015 09:04 Tenks wrote: Disagree. I've had the luxury of having grown up from the 56k, early adoption of broadband and now the "everyone has internet" phase and have gamed in all the phases. As of right now almost all competitive gaming communities are the worse I've ever seen them. I can't recall ever really being flamed when I played CS b1.6 -- and I played a metric fuckton -- but I loaded up CSGO and almost immediately am getting flamed in that game. Despite me being a complete moron in BW I don't think anyone ever flamed me there. It doesn't happen *often* in SC2 but if you don't play an "honorable macro game" you should be ready for the flaming afterwards. We are, for whatever reason, seeming to go through a phase (or perhaps it is here to stay?) where the anonimity of the internet is making for some very bad behavior when it comes to MP games. I have no doubts the people spewing absolute filth onto the screen probably aren't bad people in real life -- possibly even they overcompensate via the keyboard -- but this generation of gamers just seems to accept being an asshole as fact. And it shouldn't be. Honestly, it's been bad since about 2006-7. You couldn't go a single game of pretty much any WC3 custom without getting cussed out or called any range of creative insults, especially DotA or its variants (AoM and AotZ being my favorites). Counter-Strike had a ton of micspammers (most left 1.6 for Source when it came out) saying all sorts of annoying things, and they've seemingly all returned for CS:GO. I've had a competitive game where one person simply said "nigger" over and over for the first 10 minutes of the match, and a gungame where someone had something sexual to say about your mother every time he got a kill or got killed, both in the last 2 days. The people from 2005-6 are the parents and older brothers (and sisters in limited cases) of a lot of the kids that are getting into gaming today. I'm not going to say it's any better, but the new blood seems to be just as bad. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 03 2015 08:58 Tenks wrote: I've been playing more hammer recently and with the uptick in melee assassins she is really finding a nice niche. Her knock-back mines and raw range just make her an absolute nightmare to deal with for melees. I go Vampire at 4 and FA at 7 and that makes her a very, very competent dueler as well. Yep. She's also really strong on certain maps where she can fully leverage siege mode in the current meta. Dragon Shire and Haunted Mines are two that immediately come to mind. | ||
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