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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 02:37:16
February 01 2015 02:36 GMT
#6041
I only play Illidan as well and I am at 70%+ win rate. In one game though I did have an Illidan teammate so I chose Uther. Game started and he died within 3 min of the game lol, Nazeebo just went to town with him lol.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
February 01 2015 03:42 GMT
#6042
On February 01 2015 11:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:00 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
@Hider
+ Show Spoiler +
I got the lol data from this: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121012154552/leagueoflegends/images/d/dc/Lol_infographic.png the ones fromBlizzard were a little harder to find. At that time sc2 got around 200k viewers in the fianls of a tournament, it surely hvave dropped by now, but also the playerbase so i would need to calculate the percentage again, but as i said, the percentage wasn't ever going oto be exact cause i don't have access to all the info from everywere, but the one thing we could safely say was that sc2 had a way higher ratio.

Hey, did you see this? https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/TeamCompositions Looks like thrall is shit


Does that even work? If you change it to filter by games played the second most played comp involves Diablo, Gazlowe, Jaina, Nova, and Tyrande at 2332 games played. There is no way that is right...

Those stats come from Hero League and Quick Match. Some of the most played heroes in unranked are the ones from Founder Pack, weekly sales, Nexus Bundle etc.

Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 04:16:30
February 01 2015 04:10 GMT
#6043
On February 01 2015 12:42 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 11:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:00 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
@Hider
+ Show Spoiler +
I got the lol data from this: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121012154552/leagueoflegends/images/d/dc/Lol_infographic.png the ones fromBlizzard were a little harder to find. At that time sc2 got around 200k viewers in the fianls of a tournament, it surely hvave dropped by now, but also the playerbase so i would need to calculate the percentage again, but as i said, the percentage wasn't ever going oto be exact cause i don't have access to all the info from everywere, but the one thing we could safely say was that sc2 had a way higher ratio.

Hey, did you see this? https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/TeamCompositions Looks like thrall is shit


Does that even work? If you change it to filter by games played the second most played comp involves Diablo, Gazlowe, Jaina, Nova, and Tyrande at 2332 games played. There is no way that is right...

Those stats come from Hero League and Quick Match. Some of the most played heroes in unranked are the ones from Founder Pack, weekly sales, Nexus Bundle etc.



Since when is Jaina in a bundle?

Actually who was free the week Jaina was free. It says 60 days and I remember Nova was free that week as well.

The stats including quick match make them useless though unless we were studying how terrible Blizzard's matchmaking system is at making good team comps.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Immersion_
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom794 Posts
February 01 2015 09:42 GMT
#6044
Whats the deal with hero prices? I saw thrall came out at 15k and is now 10. Are all slowly dropping down to the 2k mark based on age or is there going to be a range of 2 to 10k? Blizzard commented on this?
http://www.twitch.tv/sybar1te Sybarite#2581 - add me for Heroes games. .Play Hots and Overwatch currently. Feel free to add.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
February 01 2015 09:50 GMT
#6045
All new heroes are 15K. After 15 days or so they drop to 10. After a long period (probably based on new hero releases) they drop to 7k ! Haven't seen any drop to 4K/2K yet but that has probably happened. If you're familiar with LoL they use a similar system.
Immersion_
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom794 Posts
February 01 2015 10:16 GMT
#6046
Not played lol . So the current 2k 4k heroes started there in the first place and could well be meant as kind of starter heroes then.
http://www.twitch.tv/sybar1te Sybarite#2581 - add me for Heroes games. .Play Hots and Overwatch currently. Feel free to add.
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
February 01 2015 19:58 GMT
#6047
On January 31 2015 01:51 NonY wrote:
The game can be pretty wretched solo, especially when you match with whole teams who make absurd decisions. Either you have to just ignore the absolute horrible team strategy and go with the flow and enjoy other parts of the game, or you have to take charge. But caring about team strategy and not doing anything about it is definitely miserable. The teams I get matched with have essentially no concept of trading. Every single decision is "group and contest." Blackheart's Bay: enemy team is higher level and has been winning team fights, the boss at the top and bruiser mercs at the bottom are both uncapped, enemy team is near boss, my team is near bruisers. 95% of my teams run across the map just in time to see the boss capped, trickle in and die. And if you don't follow them, you get criticized. These types of non-decisions are made constantly and are seen as the proper way to play -- "it's a team game" and "you have to actually do the objectives" being the mantras justifying the brainlessness. You gotta rise above it or learn to lead every game or just not care. Or queue with friends.

Personally I've carved out some fun from solo queuing nonetheless. But it very easily can slip into misery.


Seems like that happens in every MOBA. "Why didn't you go in?!"

"It's 1v5... you want me to die too because you were stupid?"

And things like that seem to occur too often (1 in 100 games would still be too often in my mind).
Luck makes talent look like genius.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 20:14:39
February 01 2015 20:12 GMT
#6048
Im fed up of losing on ranked because of bad players. I know some will tell me that if i got negative winrate its probably my fault, but theres no way i wen't from diamond 3k+ MMR with 600+ games to a bronze with negative winrate when the game came on beta. And on most of the game i lose, i always have a team with either afks, people who call GG at the 8 minute mark, or just people who don't think before picking and choose abathur on dragon shire or 3 healers cause they think "it will be fine" or don't react to the enemy (ie: i already chosed a hero, then the enemy pick nazeebo, we tell the last guy to pick a stun cause we don't have any, and then he picks a hero withouth stun because "thats the hero he wants to play with").

SO, with which heroes you can "carry"? My main is arthas, but you can't carry shit with him if your team is dumb, themost you can do if freeze someone and hope your team gets thehint that they should focus that hero, i also got stiches, hes a good "carry" cause of the 5vs4. Zeratul is good for that isn't he? Who else?


Also heroes shouldn't be able to cast abilities from the hall of the storm, i just lost a game where a nazeebo casted his ult there, and we couldn't hit/stun him, and he wiped us when their core was at 6% health, and then wen't to our base and killed us -.-
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 01 2015 20:15 GMT
#6049
The matchmaker has been retarded for me too, recently. I keep getting thrown into teams with newbs against 3-man teams or worse. I've been hovering around level 4-5, but the players I keep getting on my team are just sooooooo bad.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 20:34:18
February 01 2015 20:33 GMT
#6050
Seeing your hotslogs profile, and of most people, their MMR ranks on quickmatch and hero league are similar, you have both on diamond, my friends are diamond too, i got one friend with diamond on quickmatch and plat on ranked, which could be understandable.

But me? I got diamond 3k mmr on quickmatch, and then silver 1820 mmr on ranked -.- The worse thing is that im starting to gain less mmr points when i win, because the "mmr" is stabilizing (first you gain/lose 200 points, then it goes down, with enough games you get like 5 points or even less) So if i keep playing (or at least solo) i could potentially be stuck on silver for a long time, because i will gain very little MMR with each win so getting out of silver could take a long time, a long time playing with bad players. And altough hotslogs MMR, sint 100% acurate, this effect also happens on Blizzard matchmaker. Its not exactly "elo hell" because you sure can get out of it if you are good enough, but it could just take a lot of time and a lot of frustration.


I don't think i'll play ranked anymore until i get a full team of people who don't suck (im not great but i don't suck).
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
February 01 2015 20:53 GMT
#6051
This is teamliquid. If you deny sucking, you better have sponsors with names on your jacket or everyone will call you on bullshit. As they should; the correct attitude for everyone at every sport they aim to get better at is that they suck now. Partly as motivation, but really more as a recognition of the reality that there is so much better to get.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
February 01 2015 20:59 GMT
#6052
I'm Diamond but my friends aren't so I'm actually pulling off higher win rates in solo ranked than by 2-3 stacking with them. When I solo queue I'm mostly getting teams where people pick well and then there's usually someone claiming leadership and calling the shots.

Fuck friends acquire rating.
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany306 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 21:18:58
February 01 2015 21:18 GMT
#6053
On February 02 2015 05:53 Yoav wrote:
This is teamliquid. If you deny sucking, you better have sponsors with names on your jacket or everyone will call you on bullshit. As they should; the correct attitude for everyone at every sport they aim to get better at is that they suck now. Partly as motivation, but really more as a recognition of the reality that there is so much better to get.


This is so true. Playing with people that feel entitled and ignore their own mistakes feels worse than playing with the guy that picks badly or dies as Tassadar on lvl2 against Muradin but at least writes something like "my bad".
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sushiko
Profile Joined June 2010
197 Posts
February 01 2015 21:23 GMT
#6054
On February 02 2015 05:33 [SXG]Phantom wrote:

I don't think i'll play ranked anymore until i get a full team of people who don't suck (im not great but i don't suck).


If you're not enjoying the game then there is no point in playing. Relying on a full team to win/enjoy the game is wack, if anything just duo queue and if you still can't win against all silvers then somethings wrong. Thought you were better than most to simply QQ about mmr's or matchmaking and drop the "won't play unless stacked"... Also quickmatch vs ranked is a different beast so I don't think you can correlate your skill level between the two.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 01 2015 23:04 GMT
#6055
All I want is a team that isn't full of players who are prone to making one catastrophic mistake (especially when warned) after another. I'm not asking for much.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
February 01 2015 23:15 GMT
#6056
On February 02 2015 08:04 xDaunt wrote:
All I want is a team that isn't full of players who are prone to making one catastrophic mistake (especially when warned) after another. I'm not asking for much.


everybody makes mistakes, beside, mistakes in this game is not punishing enough unlike in DOTA2 or LoL since Blizzard tailor the game mechanics to not punish mistakes.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 01 2015 23:22 GMT
#6057
On February 02 2015 08:15 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 08:04 xDaunt wrote:
All I want is a team that isn't full of players who are prone to making one catastrophic mistake (especially when warned) after another. I'm not asking for much.


everybody makes mistakes, beside, mistakes in this game is not punishing enough unlike in DOTA2 or LoL since Blizzard tailor the game mechanics to not punish mistakes.

Yeah, but there are mistakes and then there are MISTAKES. The latter absolutely do lose games in manners that are just as unforgiving as in LoL or DOTA. Things like running alone towards where the enemy team is and getting predictably killed (my favorite is when players charge the boss sites thinking that they are going to ninja it 1v5) or charging enemy 5-man formations while shorthanded are just inexcusable and often end the game.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 00:13:14
February 01 2015 23:50 GMT
#6058
When playing Muradin choosing the first talent, when and why would you choose the mana over the +5 damage on hero hit?

I find mana is an issue with muradin, but he has pretty low damage, so he needs to beef up the stun.

Edit - Define mistake. I can see how on one of my latest loss, a Kerrigan player (who was being also really toxic in chat) was charging like she was a tank, getting ganked in obvious fashions even when pinged beforehand, etc... Her mistakes, lost us the game.

Somebody has to make mistakes to lose, but this game is less about mechanical errors (even tho, they exist, and i have had plenty of teamfights with raynor where everything was in if i was able to interrupt some ultimates or not), and way more about teamfights and spatial awareness.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
February 02 2015 00:24 GMT
#6059
I specifically said that im not a great player, but i don't suck, in fact, by playing premades local tourmnaments with the local players/streamers in my region (latin america) i can safely say that im one of the best players and one of the players who have more knowledge about the game in the region. I know how that sounds, but i'm really competitive and spend a great ammount of time trying to get better, i still have a long road ahead to become one of the greatest, but im positive that im not bad. I'm pretty sure if you ask anybody who has played with me that they will they you I don't suck, they'll tell you i'm good.

I made mistakes all the time, but my mistakes aren't chasing an enemy half the map when the mines are open then dying and forcing your team into a 4-5 or a 10 skull golem, but a lot of my team mates surely do that, then blame us we didn't follow in their suicide mission to secure a worthless kill.

As xDaunt said, there are times when you even warn them "retreat, they are coming to you" they don't listen, they die, and its frustrating. i agree that this game isn't as much about as pure skill, its more about thinking what you are doing and why and when, but most people don't do that. I don't ask to have symbiote gaming as my team mates, i ask for people who at least know what they're doing. I love the game, but sometimes i feel like theres a lot that isn't in my control when playing a match.

WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
February 02 2015 01:23 GMT
#6060
@Phantom

I'm a bad player but I get matched with and against complete noobs in every game, so I can feel your pain. To answer your question: I usually pick Zeratul or Stitches when I want to ""carry"" in quick match. These are the 2 most impactful heroes that can do something in the inevitable 4v5 fight (because of that one guy that keeps dying) and punish bad positioning (that kind of guy may be on the other team as well). Nothing beats good communication though, being a good guide for your teammates and being lucky enough to find people willing to listen is much more valuable than any hero.

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