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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On November 09 2014 08:56 greatZERG wrote: Is it always like this where 3v1 ganks can't kill 1 person? Seems really easy to survive ganks in HOTS getting killed is anti-fun, can't have huge errors in positioning be meaningful! it is really funny seeing pudge hook a hero into 4 and watch them just walk away lols. | ||
Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 09 2014 08:56 greatZERG wrote: Is it always like this where 3v1 ganks can't kill 1 person? Seems really easy to survive ganks in HOTS It is a side effect of only needing to leech exp from max range. It is very easy to survive when you can hide beside or behind your gate/towers where the enemy can't reach you. | ||
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Tileks
Brazil74 Posts
On November 09 2014 08:56 greatZERG wrote: Is it always like this where 3v1 ganks can't kill 1 person? Seems really easy to survive ganks in HOTS It's easier to survive ganks in this game, but in this match Brightwing and Abathur saved those ganked with their global skills, shields and heals. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
But C9 outdrafted EG again, and EG was at a disadvantage from the draft. EG never really bothered trying to take the DK, because it would have been extremely difficult given C9's Abathur and Brightwing pick. Brightwing can teleport which makes capturing the DK easier, and Abathur and put mines over the DK, making capturing it harder for EG. That's why EG mostly focused on ganks and mercs. Moreover, Emerald Wind counters Tyrael's dive and Stitches hook. So C9 had a massive advantage from the draft, and eventually won off these advantages and getting the DK. | ||
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unigolyn
Estonia1272 Posts
On November 09 2014 08:45 FHDH wrote: Interesting esports aspect of the map symmetry (and it being over Y axis) you can just leave left/right teams on their respective side, so more obvious to a live audience. It's a minor thing but useful for a game that wants to appeal to non-moba-players. Speaking as someone who doesn't play mobas and has been unable to follow DOTA/LoL streams because I don't know what's going on, HotS is very exciting to watch since I pretty much understand everything that's happening. I think it helps that the maps are more objective-based, and as a long time WoW player they remind me of BGs. About the only hero that I didn't understand by watching was Abathur (I understand he's a supporting caster who stays back and buffs other heroes?). That almost-last-second Stitches hook that grabbed the Dragon Knight, followed by a punt was epic. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
EG were out of position so much of the time. The biggest example being the time when Stitches was at the south shire, sticking around for no reason while his team was retreating. All of C9 stormed down on him and they decided to fight, which was a horrible move. To me, it just looks like C9 practiced as a team a lot more, and they actually play together. EG isn't quite there yet. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On November 09 2014 09:07 paralleluniverse wrote: Some analysis of that last game. It was a very good game, with lots of back and forth. It shows that in HotS, all you need to do to get back is to win a team fight, as it allows you to almost even up the XP, get mercs or the objectives. How does that last game show that? C9 appeared to be in control the entire game, never in danger of losing at all. On November 09 2014 09:11 Spaylz wrote: I don't think it's an outdraft. EG were out of position so much of the time. The biggest example being the time when Stitches was at the south shire, sticking around for no reason while his team was retreating. All of C9 stormed down on him and they decided to fight, which was a horrible move. To me, it just looks like C9 practiced as a team a lot more, and they actually play together. EG isn't quite there yet. I thought EG was like, a top tier team though? That's what we were told in the articles forcing this down our throats. | ||
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unigolyn
Estonia1272 Posts
On November 09 2014 09:11 Spaylz wrote: I don't think it's an outdraft. EG were out of position so much of the time. The biggest example being the time when Stitches was at the south shire, sticking around for no reason while his team was retreating. All of C9 stormed down on him and they decided to fight, which was a horrible move. To me, it just looks like C9 practiced as a team a lot more, and they actually play together. EG isn't quite there yet. Didn't the casters say the guy playing Abathur is a recent sub? | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
I know Tassadar, Abathur and Uther are strong, but come on, mix it up. The hero pool is limited too, but this is annoying. Especially if they sweep it, it'll just be way too similar for all three matches. Ah, Nova. Better! | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On November 09 2014 09:12 unigolyn wrote: Didn't the casters say the guy playing Abathur is a recent sub? Tychus. Still, LoL players vs SC2 players. Not exactly surprising they worked better as a team. Even with a standin. Hero variety has indeed been quite shitty imo. Very weird not having bans as well. Such an important part of the game. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On November 09 2014 09:11 red_ wrote: How does that last game show that? C9 appeared to be in control the entire game, never in danger of losing at all. I thought EG was like, a top tier team though? That's what we were told in the articles forcing this down our throats. I'm sure each of their player are excellent. I'm no pro myself, don't get me wrong. It's just, playing the game a fair bit, it does feel to me like C9's teamplay is superior, not necessarly their draft. The heroes from both teams are powerful enough to be a match, don't give too much credit to paralleluniverse. But yeah, in my opinion, EG was out of position a lot and just lacked synergy more times than C9 did. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On November 09 2014 09:11 red_ wrote: How does that last game show that? C9 appeared to be in control the entire game, never in danger of losing at all. I thought EG was like, a top tier team though? That's what we were told in the articles forcing this down our throats. C9 were losing at the start, around level 1 to 10. They got the DK 3 times and came back. They took better team fights. But their hero picks were well adapted to the map, that's why they got the DK 3 times, that's why EG didn't actively try to get the DK, but tried (and failed) to prevent C9 from getting it. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On November 09 2014 09:16 paralleluniverse wrote: C9 were losing at the start. Around level 1 to 10. They got the DK 3 times and came back. They were not losing, they were never down more than like a 3rd of a level, and in my short time watching this game I have already learned that a lead that small is completely meaningless especially against Abathur. C9 hit 10 first, used their lvl 10s to win a fight, got DK, and never looked back at all. Someone who knows more of the game explain to me if my observation of those events are incorrect(I know mobas/arts, just not HotS specifically). | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 09 2014 09:11 red_ wrote: How does that last game show that? C9 appeared to be in control the entire game, never in danger of losing at all. I thought EG was like, a top tier team though? That's what we were told in the articles forcing this down our throats. Well top tier in a game with an almost non-existing competetive history so far. if this game reall developes a healthy competetive scene these frst teams will mean nothing later on. Also experienced LoL or Dota players should have the edge over RTS players once they played Hots as much.. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On November 09 2014 09:21 Redox wrote: Well top tier in a game with an almost non-existing competetive history so far. if this game reall developes a healthy competetive scene these frst teams will mean nothing later on. Also experienced LoL or Dota players should have the edge over RTS players once they played Hots as much.. Yes I know, I'm kind of mocking the idea, I expected C9s 'moba' experience to mean a lot once they practiced a bit for Blizzcon. | ||
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greatZERG
Australia755 Posts
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