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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 07 2014 20:17 GMT
#3621
I just realized i have this game on my battle.net account lool.

im not sure what "ACCOUNT STATUS: TECHNICAL ALPHA" means though.

If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
November 07 2014 20:18 GMT
#3622
On November 08 2014 05:17 Mensol wrote:
I just realized i have this game on my battle.net account lool.

im not sure what "ACCOUNT STATUS: TECHNICAL ALPHA" means though.


That's what they are calling this (which is clearly a beta by normal standards).
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
sushiko
Profile Joined June 2010
197 Posts
November 07 2014 20:50 GMT
#3623
Closed beta is January 2015! I wonder if the new maps and heroes showed today will come then, or during the alpha...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 07 2014 20:54 GMT
#3624
wow closed beta sounds so different from technical alpha
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-07 22:16:09
November 07 2014 22:15 GMT
#3625
They are just marketing terms now. Specially for f2p games like this one.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
sushiko
Profile Joined June 2010
197 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-07 22:20:24
November 07 2014 22:18 GMT
#3626
Well, in this case going from alpha -> beta will mean a huge increase in player pool. Might mean a few of my friends might finally get in

Also ranked play
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
November 07 2014 23:24 GMT
#3627
Good to see they're adding Jaina, because that's the first caster hero.

30 heroes. 1 mage.
sushiko
Profile Joined June 2010
197 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 00:12:33
November 08 2014 00:10 GMT
#3628
Glad to see 5man teams are ranked differently, time to get a 5man na team going and ready for ranked

Only gripe I have is the fact that the map isn't known till after picks....
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 00:28:52
November 08 2014 00:22 GMT
#3629
So ranked mode has just been detailed at Blizzcon: http://www.heroesnexus.com/news/1238-blizzcon-2014-heroes-panel-live-update

There's no mechanism in ranked mode that equalizes the hero pool used in the draft between both teams.

So the game gives people who buy more heroes with real money an unfair and undeserved advantage, by being able to more readily pick the best hero for the situation given both team's current picks.

"Hero selection is where the strategy begins." No shit. That's because picking the right hero matters, it can be critical for determining whether you win or lose.

The game officially allows people with real money to buy an advantage, which is pay to win.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
November 08 2014 00:22 GMT
#3630
On November 08 2014 09:10 sushiko wrote:
Glad to see 5man teams are ranked differently, time to get a 5man na team going and ready for ranked

Only gripe I have is the fact that the map isn't known till after picks....

The map is known before picks.
sushiko
Profile Joined June 2010
197 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 00:27:50
November 08 2014 00:25 GMT
#3631
On November 08 2014 09:22 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 09:10 sushiko wrote:
Glad to see 5man teams are ranked differently, time to get a 5man na team going and ready for ranked

Only gripe I have is the fact that the map isn't known till after picks....

The map is known before picks.


Oh that's good. I was looking at screenshots of the pick phase and it only showed the map after heroes were locked in. Must've missed something

In terms of pay to win, you need to be account level 30 to play ranked, akin to LoL. You'll have a lot of gold by then to buy an ample amount of heroes, so it won't be as big of a problem as you make it to be.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
November 08 2014 00:28 GMT
#3632
On November 08 2014 09:22 paralleluniverse wrote:
So ranked mode has just been detailed at Blizzcon: http://www.heroesnexus.com/news/1238-blizzcon-2014-heroes-panel-live-update

There's no mechanism in ranked mode that equalizes the hero pool used in the draft between both teams.

So the game gives people who buy more heroes with real money an unfair and undeserved advantage, by being able to more readily pick the best hero for the situation given both team's current picks.

"Hero selection is where the strategy begins." That's because picking the right hero matters, it can be critical for determining whether you win or lose.

The game officially allows people with real money to buy an advantage, which is pay to win.


Did you think it would be anything else?
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 00:31:47
November 08 2014 00:29 GMT
#3633
On November 08 2014 09:28 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 09:22 paralleluniverse wrote:
So ranked mode has just been detailed at Blizzcon: http://www.heroesnexus.com/news/1238-blizzcon-2014-heroes-panel-live-update

There's no mechanism in ranked mode that equalizes the hero pool used in the draft between both teams.

So the game gives people who buy more heroes with real money an unfair and undeserved advantage, by being able to more readily pick the best hero for the situation given both team's current picks.

"Hero selection is where the strategy begins." That's because picking the right hero matters, it can be critical for determining whether you win or lose.

The game officially allows people with real money to buy an advantage, which is pay to win.


Did you think it would be anything else?

No, not after they announced draft mode at Gamescom. Before that, I was expecting blind picks.

But what I expect doesn't change the fact that hero picks matter (which is why they're adding it), and hence HotS now allows people to buy advantages with real money, which is pay to win
sushiko
Profile Joined June 2010
197 Posts
November 08 2014 00:38 GMT
#3634
Can we follow thread rules, let's not discuss p2win for a game in alpha and only 30 heroes.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 00:40:26
November 08 2014 00:39 GMT
#3635
You can't make heroes truly diverse and make hero selection matter and limit people to a handful of heroes and be balanced for people who pay and people who don't all at the same time. One of those is going to be sacrificed.

Don't hand-wave this. There are good reasons from a design and business perspective Dota2 has open hero pool.

On November 08 2014 09:38 sushiko wrote:
Can we follow thread rules, let's not discuss p2win for a game in alpha and only 30 heroes.

Don't debate someone saying it is P2W and then ask for the last word by invoking thread rules dude.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 08 2014 00:43 GMT
#3636
the p2w discussion that is outlawed is LoL
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sushiko
Profile Joined June 2010
197 Posts
November 08 2014 00:46 GMT
#3637
Oh okay guess I'll let the thread go off on its crusade then. Have fun
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
November 08 2014 01:00 GMT
#3638
On November 08 2014 09:39 FHDH wrote:
You can't make heroes truly diverse and make hero selection matter and limit people to a handful of heroes and be balanced for people who pay and people who don't all at the same time. One of those is going to be sacrificed.

Don't hand-wave this. There are good reasons from a design and business perspective Dota2 has open hero pool.

Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 09:38 sushiko wrote:
Can we follow thread rules, let's not discuss p2win for a game in alpha and only 30 heroes.

Don't debate someone saying it is P2W and then ask for the last word by invoking thread rules dude.

Exactly.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2014 01:10 GMT
#3639
Its exactly the same at LoL and that game is fine, ranked is acceptable in that system. Why are people shocked by this, as if it was going to be any other way? Its not perfect, but Blizzard isn't making the game for charity or to get people to install their own personal GameSpot their computer.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
November 08 2014 01:12 GMT
#3640
On November 08 2014 10:10 Plansix wrote:
Its exactly the same at LoL and that game is fine, ranked is acceptable in that system. Why are people shocked by this, as if it was going to be any other way? Its not perfect, but Blizzard isn't making the game for charity or to get people to install their own personal GameSpot their computer.

This is 100% what I expected given what we've seen of their design so far. Only one poster in this thread was unsure about it.

It's a bad design for reasons I think we've discussed (but we can rehash them now if necessary) including why the League comparisons are actually quite bad.
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