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Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
October 13 2015 18:22 GMT
#21
So for the last half of the year playing for board control wasn't the case and now it will be ? Which decks benefit from this change the most hmm

Secret/druid/hunter ?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38205 Posts
October 13 2015 18:26 GMT
#22
Boooooooooooooooo

looking forward to seeing the crying about the resurgence of decks that Patron was keeping down in the coming weeks.
AssumedNewb
Profile Joined February 2014
France0 Posts
October 13 2015 18:29 GMT
#23
On October 14 2015 03:19 StarMoon wrote:
Damn, I'm not shocked to see patron nerfed a bit but holy crap they just completely removed one of the most interesting decks.

RIP patron specialists like Xixo and Lifecoach, gl finding a strong deck that rewards skill in casinostone.


they can switch to Oil Rogue, a deck that it is very complex, close to patron warrior but far more fragile
Francois Hollande is a national shame
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 13 2015 18:34 GMT
#24
I mean Patron was unquestionably very strong but this nerf is ridiculous.

More evidence that Blizzard has no clue about their own games I guess.
StarMoon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada682 Posts
October 13 2015 18:38 GMT
#25
You know what was one of the best things about patron? It was VERY cheap to make, other than some adventures it was just a few rares and commons.

At the same time it was not easy to play, so it allowed someone to get into the game by studying it and playing well instead of spending a lot of money on packs.

Now that's gone; and its back to hunter and zoo for cheap effective decks. (yay....... -.-)
Jacenoob
Profile Joined August 2014
299 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 18:43:04
October 13 2015 18:39 GMT
#26
WTF.... Way way way too much, way too late. The change comes at least 3 MOTNTHS too late. But seriously, WTF is this? Patron Warrior is now completetely unplayable without any chance of revival. Patron was a cool deck, it was just a tad bit too strong. Why remove the deck from the game if you could just balance it a bit?

But once again they chose not to nerf but to effectively remove cards from the game. And not only for one card, but for 5 or so. Gnomish, Inner Rage, Frothing and Patron will most likely never see constructed play again. The card is now even worse than Starving Buzzard.

Just really glad I quit this crappy game a few weeks ago so I don't have to care too much. But still, this is so incredibly retarded that I get irrationally angry about a game I already quit.
Silverspud
Profile Joined May 2014
United States0 Posts
October 13 2015 18:39 GMT
#27
Warsong Commander is now just another in a growing list of cards that piss me off when they show up in my arena draft.
http://www.twitch.tv/silverspud
Tiraz
Profile Joined August 2014
0 Posts
October 13 2015 18:40 GMT
#28
so..everybody on ladder plays secret pala, druid and tempo mage, let's nerf patron warrior after 6 months....
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 18:43:43
October 13 2015 18:42 GMT
#29
I want to believe they went this route taking into consideration ( I mean mostly because of ) future cards or mechanics.

Qwicker
Profile Joined January 2014
United Kingdom0 Posts
October 13 2015 18:45 GMT
#30
Following the design philosophy of, "lets not nerf an op deck so its equal to other tier 1 decks, lets destroy the deck completely" making the effect an aura, so it doesn't forget Frothing Berserker, which would still make the deck good, with a high skill cap, just not the ridiculous op otk.
Quotes are only for the inspirational
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
October 13 2015 18:47 GMT
#31
I mean, I'm glad Patrons will go away, but what kind of braindead nerf is this? Cuck me, fuck me, and buy me a nice seafood dinner- because this is the most backwards, senseless series of bullshit balancing I've seen out of our overlords in quite some time.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Tresher
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany404 Posts
October 13 2015 18:48 GMT
#32
Overkill! But its not something new that they do such radical changes. See SC II. Instead of adjusting and balancing something they rather chicken their way out and nerf it to the ground. They do this a couple of years now with their games and its the wrong way.Why kill a whole Deck Archetype? (and maybe even more?) . I play games from Indie developers that are better at this.
Extreme Force
Kapparian
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
October 13 2015 18:56 GMT
#33
Once again, instead of rebalancing card, they just remove it, good job blizzard!
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
October 13 2015 18:56 GMT
#34
subtle as always, bye bye patron.
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
October 13 2015 18:57 GMT
#35
So the new meta will be casino mage random shots from missilies, flamewalkers and esportal
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
October 13 2015 19:00 GMT
#36
Btw this will not hit before blizzcon?
KaibaBoy
Profile Joined June 2014
United States0 Posts
October 13 2015 19:12 GMT
#37
I agree with the change, even with Warrior as my main class. Sure it is overkill to Warsong Commander but when you have pretty much only 3 deck choices if you want to move up the ladder it seems like a clear and easy move by Blizzard. Not game breaking imo, honestly it may bring about some more innovation in both competitive and ladder scenes.
Keep the Quest alive.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
October 13 2015 19:13 GMT
#38
lol. Is their patron nerf really to make Warsong Commander a 2/3 somtimes Raid Leader?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 13 2015 19:14 GMT
#39
So let's see. We'll probably see Control Warrior, Druid, Huntard and Secret Paladin the most. Tempo Mage should also see play... I'm predicting Handlock to die. Maybe we'll see Zoo, Patron was one of its strongest counters.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
October 13 2015 19:34 GMT
#40
On October 14 2015 03:10 AssumedNewb wrote:
Warsong Commander was nerfed once : at game start it gave charge to any creature, which created decks (ab)using Molten Giand and Panda for an easy OTK

Since it was already nerfed once, it got the same treatment as Starving Buzzard : it they have to nerf a card a second time, this time it will be nerfed into oblivion.

Starving Buzzard, Gadgetzan Auctioneer, Undertaker, Warsong Commander : when they consider a card both too strong and unhealthy, they swig the nerfbat with great violence.

I wouldn't have mind Dr Balanced becoming 7/5 meanwhile.

The one thing those cards (Buzzard, Gadgetzan, Undertaker, Warsong Commander) have in common is they have/had a powerful effect triggered by a certain class of cards (respectively; beasts, spells, deathrattle minions, minions with <=3 attack) which limited all such cards. Cheap spells indirectly make Gadgetzan stronger, so for example, introducing spare parts made Gadgetzan stronger because the spare parts became card draw.

Such cards are incredibly difficult (if not impossible) to make well-balanced, because they will often be critical components of decks that use them and so entire decks types can appear or disappear with even slight changes to the card, or a change can have no effect at all. And even if some semblance of balance has been reached, it will all change when new synergising cards are introduced.

(However, Dr. Boom has no such problems, it is individually a very strong card but it does not interact with a whole class of cards the same way. It is the opposite of the cards above. It fits into most decks as an after-thought, whereas the cards above are often designed around those cards.)
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