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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 06:20:33
October 19 2015 06:20 GMT
#161
Warsong Commander is so dead they should find a new Rank 12 minion to use next season
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
Moriquenti
Profile Joined June 2014
Greece0 Posts
October 19 2015 14:45 GMT
#162
i will only complain about the fact that patron kept in check many pre BRM hated decks and now they simply emerge out of nowhere .. freeze mage , zoo lock , face hunter , mid range pally ... all those annoying decks that BRM tried to save us from are now back in play . The ladder is absolute chaos right now ... I'm going up / down rank 7 to rank 5 like an elevator in a hotel . in my humble opinion this is one of the worst HS months ever no meta pulse what so ever .
Sk'shgn eqnizz hoq
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2840 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 23:27:40
October 19 2015 23:26 GMT
#163
On October 18 2015 05:12 Iknowwhy wrote:
nerf a complex and fun to play deck into oblivion.


Yeah, because being fun to play or complex matters when compared with being able to OTK your opponent through taunts who's at 40+ life.

If you want to blame a card, blame Thaurissan. What felt like was going to be a great card for control decks with big hands ended up benefiting combo decks a lot more. Which only means a harsher, faster OTK. Force/savage/savage ring any bells?
14 damage of charge at turn 7 with no board ring any bells? Not sure if you could die at 50 life vs patron sound familiar?

Fuck that deck. Druid's next.
aka wilted_kale
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 19 2015 23:47 GMT
#164
On October 20 2015 08:26 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2015 05:12 Iknowwhy wrote:
nerf a complex and fun to play deck into oblivion.


Yeah, because being fun to play or complex matters when compared with being able to OTK your opponent through taunts who's at 40+ life.

If you want to blame a card, blame Thaurissan. What felt like was going to be a great card for control decks with big hands ended up benefiting combo decks a lot more. Which only means a harsher, faster OTK. Force/savage/savage ring any bells?
14 damage of charge at turn 7 with no board ring any bells? Not sure if you could die at 50 life vs patron sound familiar?

Fuck that deck. Druid's next.

Woah Woah Woah

Freeze mage is next.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3364 Posts
October 20 2015 18:25 GMT
#165
Change is live.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1913 Posts
October 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#166
On October 20 2015 08:26 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +


Yeah, because being fun to play or complex matters when compared with being able to OTK your opponent through taunts who's at 40+ life.

If you want to blame a card, blame Thaurissan. What felt like was going to be a great card for control decks with big hands ended up benefiting combo decks a lot more. Which only means a harsher, faster OTK. Force/savage/savage ring any bells?
14 damage of charge at turn 7 with no board ring any bells? Not sure if you could die at 50 life vs patron sound familiar?

Fuck that deck. Druid's next.

Woah Woah Woah

Freeze mage is next.


Freeze mage??
-It has almost no board
-It has an almost 0% matchup vs Control Warrior with Justicar Trueheart
-It is countered very well by any deck with Kezan Mystic and Loatheb.
-Its combos does not go nuts with a board (like druid) or punish the enemy's board (like patron.)
-A simple Antique Healbot saved for after Alexstrasza can screw a freeze mage.
-Bad draws can screw a freeze mage.
-It was already targetted by the biggest nerf in HS history: Frost nova was 2, cone of cold was 3, blizzzard was 5 and (for a while longer) pyroblast was 8.
Buff the siegetank
The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
October 21 2015 02:13 GMT
#167
And of course all the pro scene is going to say the best deck is balanced. They won't discredit their wins by saying they are using something OP or unbalanced, that would just be shooting themselves in the foot. A lot of people in this thread surprised because they kept hearing in articles that patron is fine and complex/high skillcap; they heard it so much they ended up believing in it.
litlnoobs
Profile Joined January 2013
United States8 Posts
October 21 2015 09:01 GMT
#168
Yeah, the sentiment that patron is a "skill deck" is merely just the tournament players sucking each other off.

"oh buddy, you're so good"
"no buddy, you're so good"
"ah man, look how good you are"
"nah man, look how good you are"
Alej
Profile Joined May 2014
0 Posts
October 21 2015 09:06 GMT
#169
anyone denying that patron warrior (or freeze mage, or miracle rogue) are hard to play decks, has never tried them.
litlnoobs
Profile Joined January 2013
United States8 Posts
October 21 2015 09:40 GMT
#170
oh man, look how hard you are. How hard are you?
so hard. how hard are you? so hard, bro
this deck is so hard
hard enough for you?
yeah man, hard enough for you?
damn hard. oh man
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 21 2015 10:16 GMT
#171
On October 21 2015 03:57 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 08:26 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +


Yeah, because being fun to play or complex matters when compared with being able to OTK your opponent through taunts who's at 40+ life.

If you want to blame a card, blame Thaurissan. What felt like was going to be a great card for control decks with big hands ended up benefiting combo decks a lot more. Which only means a harsher, faster OTK. Force/savage/savage ring any bells?
14 damage of charge at turn 7 with no board ring any bells? Not sure if you could die at 50 life vs patron sound familiar?

Fuck that deck. Druid's next.

Woah Woah Woah

Freeze mage is next.


Freeze mage??
-It has almost no board
-It has an almost 0% matchup vs Control Warrior with Justicar Trueheart
-It is countered very well by any deck with Kezan Mystic and Loatheb.
-Its combos does not go nuts with a board (like druid) or punish the enemy's board (like patron.)
-A simple Antique Healbot saved for after Alexstrasza can screw a freeze mage.
-Bad draws can screw a freeze mage.
-It was already targetted by the biggest nerf in HS history: Frost nova was 2, cone of cold was 3, blizzzard was 5 and (for a while longer) pyroblast was 8.


Exactly

- has almost no board interaction
- matches play themselves with no actual input for either player in some match ups
- Its combos can go overboard depending on the version you run
- Its too heavily draw dependent when you face a freeze mage there isn't any interaction other than "Does the freeze mage draw what they need"
- It was targetted for the biggest nerf because it was the most boring deck to go against at the time and no one enjoyed playing verses one. That hasn't changed in nearly 2 years
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
October 21 2015 14:29 GMT
#172
I do think it's pretty sad to see stuff like Patron go, and if secret pali (and freeze mage) ended up going that'd be really sad. I don't think a card game can be good without fringe decks, or the really weird/janky decks. It's pretty hard for blizzard because of their slow card release cycle, but if there were more cards like Wailing soul to get rid of freeze effects, or more secret interactions, I think those decks could be managed.

Very few cards should be up for nerf unless really, really broken. It's wrong to say that Warsong hurt future design space, because the cards that blizzard might be making aren't out and wouldn't be out for a while, and, most importantly, Blizzard aren't as good as the actual top players of the game who are much better testers of what's too broken. The real reason is that Patron was keeping several decks down. But that's to be expected, as that's what the top deck does. Secret pali and Driud are now the ones keeping several decks down now. Whatever decks might come up now that Patron is gone will also shape the meta. No matter what, most decks are going to be bad because there will be some which are just better. It reminds me a lot of League of Legends, where Riot would nerf certain champions and then other champions would come back into the meta because they're no longer being held down and they would in turn keep other champions down.

I find that when a solution can be reached by nerfing a card, the same solution can probably be reached by introducing more hate cards or introducing cards which interact more with the problems of a deck. Chillmaw didn't work out as well as Blizzard had hoped, but it was a good idea. Maybe more cards that went against charge could have worked, or more silence cards. If you have a problem with 1-turn kills, maybe make a card that prevents attacks for a full round. If secret pali is a huge problem, what if there were more cards like Kezan and flare? If combo druid is a problem, maybe more cards like Loatheb.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
October 21 2015 22:13 GMT
#173
On October 21 2015 18:06 Alej wrote:
anyone denying that patron warrior (or freeze mage, or miracle rogue) are hard to play decks, has never tried them.


It's a children card game; it's easy by essence. There is no outstanding complexity in decision making for any turn in any match-up and in any card game. If by hard you mean making simple additions well, not good for you !
And hearthstone is even easier than the others because it has such a low variety of mechanics.

Do patron and freeze mage require you to make some more additions than some other decks? Sure, but it is still pretty damn easy.
So yes I tried them, and no they are not hard to play, no deck of any card game of any kind is hard to play. However, it was an obviously superior deck to the rest with both high versatility and high power while being a combo deck so without real counter.

Freeze mage is less outrageously powerfull because it is very much more unlikely to do an OTK with it and it has some terrible matchups. And often BGH + healbot after alex is enough to destroy the whole purpose of their deck.
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
October 22 2015 00:07 GMT
#174
Too late Blizzard.
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
October 22 2015 01:01 GMT
#175
On October 22 2015 07:13 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 18:06 Alej wrote:
anyone denying that patron warrior (or freeze mage, or miracle rogue) are hard to play decks, has never tried them.


It's a children card game; it's easy by essence. There is no outstanding complexity in decision making for any turn in any match-up and in any card game. If by hard you mean making simple additions well, not good for you !
And hearthstone is even easier than the others because it has such a low variety of mechanics.

Do patron and freeze mage require you to make some more additions than some other decks? Sure, but it is still pretty damn easy.
So yes I tried them, and no they are not hard to play, no deck of any card game of any kind is hard to play. However, it was an obviously superior deck to the rest with both high versatility and high power while being a combo deck so without real counter.

Freeze mage is less outrageously powerfull because it is very much more unlikely to do an OTK with it and it has some terrible matchups. And often BGH + healbot after alex is enough to destroy the whole purpose of their deck.

I, uh.

I guess you thought you had a lot of unwinnable games with that deck which actually weren't.
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